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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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The photos showing the Norway spiral indicate that the originating source was located somewhere SE of where the photo was taken. Well, surprise, surprise. There just happens to be a super secret HAARP site located SE and what do you know, surprise, surprise also located at exactly the spot the reverse downward trajectory takes you. Yes, it has been proven that a HAARP site is located at the spot of possible missle origin and if you want to see it, Google it and then view it on a map.

Anyway, the missle claim is a cover story for something much more secret and what is interesting is the timing of Obama's visit to Noway.

Since the US, UK, Canada and others are part owners of the HAARP site it makes one wonder why this display was conducted if not to send a loud message to the world. If it was not an authorized display by those in control then this situation could be complicated even further with many of the conspiratorial aspects.

Somehow the public display could also signal to the worlds elite NWO class what exactly the new world order is selling to its elite membership if they get on board at the ground level. If intergalactic travel once achieved can be controlled and only sold to the elite, it will be done because I am certain that a time will come that being off planet will be the only way to survive whatever strikes the Earth. Suvival is something the elite want to control and sell as a commodity.

Oh well, you should also know that there are those that theorize that the Norway spiral is a new type of mass destruction weapon called a (Torsion interferometry weapons system). A very nasty weapon claimed to be 10K time more powerful than any known nuclear device. Anyway, time will tell if and only we are dilligent in gathering facts I am certain we will eventually learn more about the Norway spiral.

This subject article has been a most interesting reading.




posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Hey,

About your comment on the Chinese swirl you made, it didn't happen recently. There was a thread on ATS the other day with a video and in the video there is a guy speaking about the incident. That spiral happened about 20 years ago. Just thought i'd let you know.

Boswell



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

No, I am under the impression that the DoD would investigate spirals as missles/rockets if they thought they were such in the first place.


In 1983.. NO COUNTRY is going to investigate a Chinese rocket launch over mainland China.. or at least make those investigation public knowledge.


So why didn't they even consider the possibility in the DoD report that it was a missle launch?? Read the link I provided... no mention of missles or rockets in the DoD report...


Now reread my reply..

Why are people so willing to assume that "The Goverment" is keeping secrets about what it knows and thinks about Aliens, but have a hard time believing that the very same entity would keep people in the dark about what it thinks it's neighbors might e up to?

Why point fingers at China for firing rockets when they KNOW they are rockets and can't do anything about them?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by MaxBlack
There just happens to be a super secret HAARP site located SE


So secret, in fact, that a guy on the internet named MaxBlack knows about it and just told 100,000 people without being killed or arrested.

Well played.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy

3. POSITION- Why are there no side on photographs and/or video of the lights? what, everyone filming and taking photos all across Norway just happened to be standing DIRECTLY in front of it to give it THIS spiral effect?...I don't think so.


I can debunk this with ONE SITE.. www.cnn.com...


What makes you think all those pictures are from the same phenomenon?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

No, I am under the impression that the DoD would investigate spirals as missles/rockets if they thought they were such in the first place.


In 1983.. NO COUNTRY is going to investigate a Chinese rocket launch over mainland China.. or at least make those investigation public knowledge.


So why didn't they even consider the possibility in the DoD report that it was a missle launch?? Read the link I provided... no mention of missles or rockets in the DoD report...


Now reread my reply..

Why are people so willing to assume that "The Goverment" is keeping secrets about what it knows and thinks about Aliens, but have a hard time believing that the very same entity would keep people in the dark about what it thinks it's neighbors might e up to?

Why point fingers at China for firing rockets when they KNOW they are rockets and can't do anything about them?


You forget that that document WAS NOT public knowledge... it only was made public recently through the FOIA process... the DoD internal report did not even consider the possibility that it was a rocket/missle... just that it was 1. a METEOR, 2. a SPY SATELLITE, or 3. a FLYING SAUCER... no rockets or missles there...



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by MaxBlack
There just happens to be a super secret HAARP site located SE


So secret, in fact, that a guy on the internet named MaxBlack knows about it and just told 100,000 people without being killed or arrested.

Well played.


I'm becoming to think that people don't know what the word secret means.
Best entertainment ever.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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I believe you are refering to the Russian equal to our HAARP system in Alaska? This is not a secret facility or even a classified project. The HAARP facility in Alaska has an open house once a year and anyone is welcome to take a tour during the open house. They have a websight with all thier data posted with explanations of the research they do. Now Area 51 is a classified facility and they have no tours there so my conclusion is Area 51 has secret stuff going on and HAARP where you can take atour has no secrets going on IMHO. Hrer is the link to the HAARP home page.

www.haarp.alaska.edu...



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Copernicus

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

3. POSITION- Why are there no side on photographs and/or video of the lights? what, everyone filming and taking photos all across Norway just happened to be standing DIRECTLY in front of it to give it THIS spiral effect?...I don't think so.


I can debunk this with ONE SITE.. www.cnn.com...


What makes you think all those pictures are from the same phenomenon?


What makes you think they arent? They are labeled as such with the same coloring in the same news story.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
So is there anyone out there that can explain the coincidental stone carvings and paintings of history? I could have believed the rocket thing, but it sure is similar. and please unless you are a degreed scholar or of equal value, dont just debunk this cause someone else says so.


There are stone carvings and paintings of a spiral of light over Norway? Please, share your information!
Your reply ( with respect ) is narrow minded. an event does not need to occur in a specific area. and the carvings and paintings are from all around the world.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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It's pretty scary to think Russia's ICBM's have no self destruct mechanism. Maybe they didn't want to use the self destruct because maybe it was a real nuclear armed missile that accidentally launched.

There are many reasons to have a self destruct mechanism in place. One being safety. If that thing had taken a different trajectory it could have landed in a populated area.

This is what can happen without a self destruct mechanism.



[edit on 13-12-2009 by ViperFoxBat]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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I know they are labeled as such. CNN clearly wants people to believe they are from the same phenomenon. But there is no resemblance between the pictures. If you saw them separately, you wouldnt be able to connect them to the same phenomenon.

So your "evidence" of this thing being a rocket is basically CNN pictures of rockets with this phenomenon mixed in as one of the rockets, despite it showing no similarity.



[edit on 13-12-2009 by Copernicus]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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Couldn't agree with you more, OP.

A failed rocket is typically a very chaotic event, no? I think we can all agree on that..

There is no bleeping way in hell that a failed rocket could leave such a perfect spiral. Unless it stopped all horizontal and vertical motion and started spinning at a constant rate of rotation.

Some people must be blind or just have a really bad grasp physics.

If I throw a salt shaker in the air with a little bit of rotation on it, the salt flying out of the salt shaker would follow a spiral (based on the rotation), and the shaker itself will follow an arc trajectory. It is the trajectory of the shaker which is separate from the rotation which will render the spiral of salt leaving the shaker chaotic and void of uniformity.

Bottom line: the rocket would have to be entirely motionless apart from the rotation to create such a perfect spiral, OR the camera was facing the event perfectly and judging by the trail of blue "smoke" we can rule that one out..

Sigh.. I think the problem is people waiting for the opinions of certain members and not thinking for themselves, only jumping on the band waggon of the aforementioned member in order to abstain from any personal thought or inquiry into the matter.
When Phage comes and blurts some official story BS you'll see this point illustrated nicely.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
So is there anyone out there that can explain the coincidental stone carvings and paintings of history? I could have believed the rocket thing, but it sure is similar. and please unless you are a degreed scholar or of equal value, dont just debunk this cause someone else says so.


There are stone carvings and paintings of a spiral of light over Norway? Please, share your information!
Your reply ( with respect ) is narrow minded. an event does not need to occur in a specific area. and the carvings and paintings are from all around the world.


So you are saying that not only are you not going to source even ONE of these coincidental stone carvings or paintings, they are not even coincidental to the subject?

Thank you for your amazing input!



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by HankMcCoy
 


I know they are labeled as such. CNN clearly wants people to believe they are from the same phenomenon. But there is no resemblance between the pictures. If you saw them separately, you wouldnt be able to connect them to the same phenomenon.

So your "evidence" of this thing being a rocket is basically CNN pictures of rockets with this phenomenon mixed in as one of the rockets, despite it showing no similarity.



[edit on 13-12-2009 by Copernicus]


Oh, so..

Because it doesn't show what you THINK it should show, it cannot possibly be the same event?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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It does have a self-destruc mechanism. Some of the previous tests were self-destruct. This one was nowhere near a populated place.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by MacATK18
Some people must be blind or just have a really bad grasp physics.

If I throw a salt shaker in the air with a little bit of rotation on it, the salt flying out of the salt shaker would follow a spiral (based on the rotation), and the shaker itself will follow an arc trajectory. It is the trajectory of the shaker which is separate from the rotation which will render the spiral of salt leaving the shaker chaotic and void of uniformity.

Bottom line: the rocket would have to be entirely motionless apart from the rotation to create such a perfect spiral, OR the camera was facing the event perfectly and judging by the trail of blue "smoke" we can rule that one out..


One would think your grasp of physics and logic is flawed if you try to equate a thrown salt shaker with no self sustaining propulsion to a rocket carrying its own fuel.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Denial. The angles of the phenomena are all the same. And if I'm correct then pic nr1 was taken on top of a mountain which leaves EISCAT somewhere to the right lower part on that photo.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
So is there anyone out there that can explain the coincidental stone carvings and paintings of history? I could have believed the rocket thing, but it sure is similar. and please unless you are a degreed scholar or of equal value, dont just debunk this cause someone else says so.


There are stone carvings and paintings of a spiral of light over Norway? Please, share your information!
Your reply ( with respect ) is narrow minded. an event does not need to occur in a specific area. and the carvings and paintings are from all around the world.


So you are saying that not only are you not going to source even ONE of these coincidental stone carvings or paintings, they are not even coincidental to the subject?

Thank you for your amazing input!
Have you not been following this event here on ATS. go back into the recent threads. All the pics have been posted already. no need for me to bring them back to this site. now you are simply beginning an argument. YOU find the comparison sir.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

No, I am under the impression that the DoD would investigate spirals as missles/rockets if they thought they were such in the first place.


In 1983.. NO COUNTRY is going to investigate a Chinese rocket launch over mainland China.. or at least make those investigation public knowledge.


So why didn't they even consider the possibility in the DoD report that it was a missle launch?? Read the link I provided... no mention of missles or rockets in the DoD report...


Now reread my reply..

Why are people so willing to assume that "The Goverment" is keeping secrets about what it knows and thinks about Aliens, but have a hard time believing that the very same entity would keep people in the dark about what it thinks it's neighbors might e up to?

Why point fingers at China for firing rockets when they KNOW they are rockets and can't do anything about them?


You forget that that document WAS NOT public knowledge... it only was made public recently through the FOIA process... the DoD internal report did not even consider the possibility that it was a rocket/missle... just that it was 1. a METEOR, 2. a SPY SATELLITE, or 3. a FLYING SAUCER... no rockets or missles there...


What say ye? It is my opinion that the DoD would not route disinformation internally to DoD but I guess that's what you are saying? This report WAS NOT public and WAS internal to DoD...

Did you read it???





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