Do you believe our consciouness lives on after death?, page 3


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reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 02:02 PM by St Udio
reply to post by harrytuttle



naw... it more Universal consciousness rather than Global (Earth centered)

i'm animist...meaning every stick, stone, glass of water has a consciousness... life forms goes without saying

a gnat has as much inalienable rights to its existance as a human that needs a brain to connect with its senses (5 mundane senses, more than 1 of the ESP variety)


As to the video on page 1:

that brain Doctor is busy-busy-busy!
Dr Robert Spetzler, in Phoenix, back in May '97 also did my brain stem Aneurism that had actually ruptured/ was leaking before he even took my case.
In the operating room/ICU,
(not sure as i was in the midst of a 15 day Coma) i also journeyed to the place of Light, spoke with some authoritive figures in the place... was asked if i wished to 'stay' in that place (including that serene state of bliss)
and i said 'no thank you' as i knew that taking the easy-road was not acceptable.. I knew it was preferable to return to the world-of-the-living, and experience my quota of trial, stress & trouble & struggle (in the Buddhist tradition)...while i had the chance.

{{ after all, my last episode of consciousness in the form of man, was back when the iceage was going and i was a group shaman in a 'clan of the cave-bear setting'...then a indeterminate period of time when imy consciousness could have been locked into the face of an asteroid or something.}}

There's also another video, of a female Doctor who had a stroke and was conscious all during the episode... She has since went on to generate a cottage industry, & speak at positive energy workshops... recounting the same physological imparements i had, but hers has a very spiritual/mystical bent to them--- i'm more pragmatic, earthy about it all.
Phoenix is awesome... there are three of us brain damaged, NDEs, that have intersected with Dr Spetzler...at different times


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reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 03:22 PM by dalan.
reply to post by Monts



That is a great question and deserves more serious discussion, especially the concept of the evolution of consciousness.

Many posters on here have stated that quantum physics are actually beginning to unravel this mystery of life after death, and indeed it is being unraveled.

The only problem is that, unlike old mathmeticians, like Isaac Newton who created calculus, today's modern physics have become too complex for many theories to be tested. Quantum therories like the Holographic model or the multi-dimensional universe model cannot be tested at present because of technology, or even the know-how as to where to look for proof for experimentation.


If we were too assume that the human body was not our true form, but merely a temporary vehicle, then we, as in, consciousness would have to be able to enter and exit the body.


So how would the soul/consciousness be able to do just that? The physical evidence that quantum physicists are looking for, has been found in the field of biology:

www.rickstrassman.com...

N, N dimethyltryptamine, or '___', is the key that is going to unravel these mystries.


"Put on your seat belt Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye-bye..."


reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 03:41 PM by smyleegrl
reply to post by grantbeed



I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but could you please add your story to the thread about crisis apparations? This is exactly what I'm trying to research right now, and I would love to have your input. If I did it right, the thread is here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Keep smiling!


reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 04:28 PM by Unity_99
Yes, and it could be no other way. For many experience oobe's as well. And the double slit experiment pretty much makes our universe incredible.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
a look at the other side My near death experience

one of my good friends from ats shares his incredible one where he was dead for 33 minutes, and experienced a look at his many cosmic lifetimes.


reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 05:18 PM by Indigo_Child
reply to post by zatara



The science of reincarnation is explained very well in Hindu texts. In order to answer your question, the part that transmigrates is called the subtle body(linga sharia = sign body) but not the soul which is eternal and unchanging. The subtle body is the part of us that is entangled in matter on account of its desires, but it does not really exist, as it is a product of the association of spirit with matter.

This concept of association is very key to understanding the theory of reincarnation. That is our consciouosness is not actually in the world, it is rather entangled in the world by being associated with it. This entanglement is not just at the physical level, but at the subtle level in the form of the subtle body. When we lose our physical body only the physical entanglements end, but the subtle entanglements still remain and hence why we continue to exist in the astral plane.

The entanglements are produced by latent causes(karma) in the causal part of the subtle body, also known as the causal body. As long as these causes exist, the subtle body has to project a physical body in order to experience the effects of those causes. This cycle(samsara) will continue until all the causes in the causal part of the subtle body are not exhausted.
As it is the case that the vast majority of people die with incomplete desires, this is why they return again in future lives in order to experience their incomplete desires.

The message of the Hindu theory of reincarnation is simple. You alone are in control of whether you reincarnate or not and if you do what kind of body you reincarnate in, but in order to do, you must overcome your lower desires in this life gradually through a process of actualizating your desires so that they are extinguished. This does not mean that you physically fulfill all your desires and nor does it mean you suppress them all, but rather transcend them by becoming detached from them. The extinguishing of a desire is a realization process.

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reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 07:59 PM by godless
Silly question. With a few well-placed cuts of a scalpel I can render you or anyone else a human vegetable, alive but completely unconscious. Consciousness requires a structure, a neural network of extreme sophistication in order to manifest itself. In what network does your conscious mind reside after your physical being is deceased? Where is there a chance for another supporting structure to exist? I'm sorry to be the Skeptic here, but let's be honest. The thing that we all suppose will exist forever is our own sense of identity, our own sense if "Isness", which began to develop in us shortly after we were born. As children we think we are immortal! We are fearless. We place our physical beings into jeopardy on the force of a whim because we don't yet believe that we can honestly be hurt. Most of us never reach the level of maturity required to admit that we are but a moment in time-space, and nothing more. We are like billions and trillions of others that have come before and exist right now, and yet we are also unique, like a single flower that blooms and, for a time radiates a timeless and striking brilliance that must ultimately fade and pass. Like Sagan said, "We are star-stuff", we are the product of an immensely complicated cosmic machine that is forever bringing forth and burning up.

My wife likes artificial flowers that are rendered with enough detail to casually fool the eye. They never lose their luster or their brilliance, but they are not real. She believes in life after death very firmly. I prefer a living flower arrangement because it is not permanent and, therefore, you must make some time and space in your life to appreciate their beauty because it will soon depart from you. I think people are like that too. They're only here for a short while and you can never be sure when happenstance might take them away, so you should make some time in your life to tell the ones that you really find special, really feel are radiant in your life, exactly how you feel about them. The hidden blessing of incarnation is the possibility of connection with another. We should seek such connections out with our whole and open heart. To do so is the base of all human spirituality, in my book. You should all hug someone you love right now! You should all tell that special friend of yours exactly how important they are in your life and how much you appreciate them for being a friend. Above all, we should strive to love one another unconditionally, like your dog does, because that kind of love is the love that makes existing for a brief and shining moment worthwhile.

You do not exist forever. You are but a passing flash in the calderon of being. But you are a brilliant flash in that churning brew. You have the potential to make a huge difference in the life of another flash-in-the-pan. Please don't waste that. In my fifty plus years on this globe I have been privilaged to make a difference in a few people's lives, and I honor that privilage every day of my waning life. Instead of concentrating on immortality, perhaps we can make this world a nicer place to inhabit by simply focusing on the most effective and productive way to live out our brief span.


reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 08:12 PM by 13579
reply to post by godless





You do not exist forever


Ironic part is you do, but its only YOU that is forever.

Thats why we have PI.

In order to witness infinity one is required to be alive.


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