They havn't visited us because.

I have no evidence to back up what i am saying, but it was just a thought.
If there was more intellignet life out there, and where capable of visiting our planet, why haven't they? (world known).
The reason could very well be because they couldn't be bothered visiting a less evolved/intelligent species, when they are clearly the superior species. For instance they may look at us as if we where like an animal, why bother to communicate when they are clearly not as supior to us and do not have the intellectual abilities to understand the things they can.
I would just like to hear some peoples views on this.

No worry they have for millenia

Yes, who would visit Earth? Even why? What's the point of visiting such a savage and ignorant overall (to aliens) planet?

My thoughts:
If there is extraterrestrial life, even intelligent life, there is no reason to believe that they will even be similar enough to us to care to visit. Or even leave their planet. We are explores, they may not be.

Also the post assumes that it is at least possible for faster than light travel. If FTL is not possible then the aliens would have to commit to a journey of at least tens of thousands of years if not millions of years. This would of course risk that their destination will be destroyed before they get there.

I like the OP though. I hope more people add to this discussion.

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They might come here to observe us like we observe animals and insects.

Oh, and perhaps to keep an eye on our nuclear missiles.

So we don't travel to the depths of our oceans or deep into dense jungles to explore and learn more about the interesting creatures that live there because they are "inferior" to us?

Humans are very inquisitive by nature and this trait has been an integral part of our progress.

We would not advance if we did not have such a thirst for knowledge.

Maybe an inquisitive nature is a factor in the advancement of any species and since there is a nearly infinite (for all intents and purposes) number of stars and very likely a very large number of planets with varying degrees of life, it would make sense that a species with a stong inquisitive nature would be more likely to make the technological advancement coupled with the desire to observe and study "inferior" life forms such as us.

Considering only around 120 years age mainstream science believed "heavier than air" (planes) flight was impossible, it's not a stretch to imagine a significantly advanced species could have a better understanding of the laws that govern the universe than we do.

I completely agree. If there was a race of ET's out there advanced enough to travel through space to our planet I doubt they'd view us as intelligent...however, that might not stop them from trying to communicate with us.

what I personally believe is that they might have come thousands or maybe tens of thousands of years ago, decided we were completely out to lunch and never looked back.

why would they make a big public scene about it? why? Why would so many of them want to come here all at once? I'm sure they have visited and are visiting and are near by but think about it. we are just starting to develop technology that is helping us cloak and be invisible. ... if something else has the ability to get here think of their intelligence to get here is a whole other technology. think past everything we know, past nanotechnology, past wireless internet past, invisibility, past virtual reality, past time.. think of the stuff that cant be thought of without millions more years of experience. if we can only fathom about being invisible think of what they are already thought of and learned and developed and perfected. possibilities are endless. they could be visiting through thoughts, they could be visiting through something wireless. think of it like going to observe a bunch of bears sleeping in a cave, would u go running in screaming with all your friends? probably not. why not just send one person and use something that can keep yourself hidden? and even then, who is to say thay are here to visit us? maybe they are here to visit another animal. maybe they are doing something else here which dosent involve us or needs to yet.

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Originally posted by yeahibelieveThey havn't visited us because

Because you'd have to ignore all the UFO cases to make that argument stick. It's the same with pseudo-skeptics who claim UFO sightings all reduce to vague lights in the sky; why bother dealing with the cases which suggest we might be being visited!

If there are any civilisations out there with advanced technological capabilities - which among other things would include crossing vast interstellar distances in relatively short periods of time - then I would argue they have long mapped out this sector of space and know we are here.

I'm sorry but the first baby step in all of this stuff has got to be to establish that any life at all exists outside of our own little 3rd rock. Sure, we can all glom onto the notion that the universe is so vast that it must just be teeming with life, in fact, I suspect that is the truth just like everyone else, but that's really just a hunch until someone can prove that some sort of life exists on another planetary body. What I'm talking about right now is just plain and simple science. Our hypothesis is that life exists on other planets, but until definitive proof can be presented then all we have is a hypothesis, and not a fact. We are an imaginative species and we are also an undisciplined species. I fear that all too often many of our brothers and sisters allow their imaginations to run wild where certain subjects are concerned. When they do this they willingly accept all sorts of fantastic notions as absolute fact without the slightest bit of verifiable evidence.

Are aliens visiting us? Are they contacting us? Are they abducting us in vast numbers? Do they dwell in secret underground bases that dot our planet like a bad case of acne? These are all fantastic claims and, until it can positively be established that it is possible for life to exist somewhere else besides this Earth of ours, I'm afraid that I will have to assume that these claims are not scientifically valid because they are based upon assumptions that I cannot possibly confirm. I know that this site is rife with all sorts of personal testimonies of alien visitations, abductions, etc. But think of this question as being on trial in a court of law. Is the testimony of one person who claims that so-and-so is the guy who did the crime really enough to convict without even the slightest of corroborating evidence? In this case the witness can't even provide evidence that the accused can actually exist. We all want to believe, but without proof, you really don't have belief, you have superstition. I, for one, do not subscribe to superstition.

they (E.Ts) are already here long ago.

Perhaps earth is a terrarium for species of other worlds, and we (and all living things) are just pets, free to live our lives in a fish bowl, until one day our planet is neglected and we all parish as fast as we came to be.

But of course for that to be true, we need to understand there is a master or masters that care for us, which there is no solid evidence of.

Thanks for the thought, OP!
S&F.

Maybe there is something inside us they envy. Perhaps it is just the few dedicated alien scientists studying us as a species, much like Darwin observing how things adapt to their environment. Could it be to survey for a potential threat?

When I saw the Hubble telescope's deep field picture for the first time my first impression was their is no way life could NOT be out there. The odds of other Earth like planets are huge and I would wager there are millions of them.

Considering the known universe is about 15 billion years old. There could be an alien species out there that is a billion years old. Look what we did in just a hundred years and now imagine having a billion to work with. They could be so spiritually advance that they could do just about anything.

They might be so advanced that they can not only travel faster then the speed of light but they are going around the universe seeding and terraforming planets. Ever notice how perfect out solar system is? It's like a nursery. We might be one of those seeded planets.

For all we know a species from another universe came here and started it all with the big bang. That would make them the oldest living thing in our universe. They might even be pure energy of some unknown origins.

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Originally posted by godless
Is the testimony of one person who claims that so-and-so is the guy who did the crime really enough to convict without even the slightest of corroborating evidence? In this case the witness can't even provide evidence that the accused can actually exist. We all want to believe, but without proof, you really don't have belief, you have superstition. I, for one, do not subscribe to superstition.

Your analogy is flawed and the statement that without proof all you are left with is superstition is sheer nonsense. Certainly you are not going to tell us, right here right now, that science only deals in proofs, for if you do you know very little about "science" to make any claims about it. Furthermore, you seem to be arguing that one would need to demonstrate the existence of ET life first before one could assume some UFOs are alien craft; that would be like asking SETI to prove aliens built radio transmitters before one can assume a sginal to have an extraterrestrial origin. The argument is fallacious.

Originally posted by Polisaurus-Lex
Also the post assumes that it is at least possible for faster than light travel. If FTL is not possible then the aliens would have to commit to a journey of at least tens of thousands of years if not millions of years.

Due to relativistic effect this isn't true. You can reach almost anywhere in the universe at sub light speed especially if you have the means to counter intertia.

There is enough evidence out there to prove we have been visited beyond reasonable doubt.

How about, "They haven't visited us because..." They can't.

Let's work on the assumption of intelligent life in the galaxy, because the thought of dealing with Mind (to quote Stephen Baxter) that can cross intergalactic space is simply too terrifying.

Humans, as a species, are incredible. Beyond incredible, I don't think there is a word that is sufficient to sum up just how far removed we are from all other life we have encountered. We are giants, we dwarf everything else into insignificance. We have grip on Mathematics and logical reasoning almost instinctively and we are able to develop it to dizzying heights. We have the ability to manipulate our environment in countless ways on a whim, even before you take our technology into account. We have creativity in bounds, the ability to imagine the unimaginable, to make leaps of faith based on incomplete data and devise ways of testing our theories... I could go on.

And they we have drive, we are individualists. Imagine if we weren't, imagine if we were socialists, if we were a collective. We would be farming in river deltas or foraging for mushrooms and little else. Why would we need to expand? Why would you want to support anyone not related to you, unless to gain an advantage for those who are.

And we multiply exponentially, we can create over 15 new humans from 2 originals. In the last 50 years we had Einstein and Hawking with 4-6 billion of us. In another 50 years there may be 12 billion of us...

There will come a time when the earth is no longer enough and we have the need to mine the solar system. And when it becomes profitable to do so, it will be done. Then there will come a time when the solar system is no longer enough. Eventually our expansion wave will proceed faster than the speed of light, it has to.

So why are we here, why are we STILL here? If there is life/Mind out there why haven't they visited? "They have"? NO, No they haven't, they haven't because you are here to debate it and you are not DEAD! Why have we not been swept away in a similar expansion wave? Because on has not begun. Because nothing else out there can compare to us. There may be other life, it may even be intelligent, but it wont be like us. They will not be giants like humanity, they may be curiosities at best.

We were lucky, our chances of making it through our early evolution as individualists was slim. If times were a little harder then we would have had to resort to tighter communities in order to propagate our DNA. We would have had to be truly altruistic. The trait is there - we probably came close. Figuring out how to make fire probably saved us from an existence of mediocrity.

If an Alien species is space faring, they are expanding. If I was such a species and I came across Humanity, I would be afraid. Very afraid.

The universe is about '14billion years old'. What does that mean? We know that we are around 14billion times the measure of time it takes for light to travel 1 year through a vacuum of flat space-time to get to us, from the light that was created at the moment immediately after the big bang. Assuming it travelled in a straight line... And form that we imagine it took 13billion units of that same time to form a planet capable of supporting carbon and nitrogen based life... And from that we assume we must be young/weak/inferior/uninteresting etc...

They haven't visited us because...

They're on the 3rd astral level and we're on the 5th.



They have visited us and are all over the place, in my opinion and experience.

If these aliens were anything like us, we would be in zoos across the galaxy.

They would put us in cages to be sold as pets.

They would experiment their new technology on us.

They would test their cosmetics on our children.

They would skin us to make luxury leather goods.

They would raise their sex drive by eating our penises.

etc.etc.

Originally posted by jclmavg

Originally posted by yeahibelieve

They havn't visited us because

Because you'd have to ignore all the UFO cases to make that argument stick.

Yes you would.

"As a result, the easiest thing to do with UFO evidence is to ignore it, which is what most people do. Much harder is to confront it honestly, whether this means accepting or debunking it. That is, accepting into one's worldview something as "far out" as extraterrestrials is not easy for many people, especially when one's official culture finds little more than ridicule in the subject.
But honest debunking is very, very difficult, considering the compelling nature of so many UFO cases. Personally, I am close to the position that it is impossible to do this honestly, but will leave the benefit of the doubt to some exceptional, as yet unfound, individual.

The problem with nearly all skeptical arguments against alien visitation is that, quite simply, they fail to look at the UFO evidence. They all sound great in theory, but fall apart when presented with a few good reports. In the end, skeptics are forced to fall back upon their most often-used weapon: claiming a UFO event was a hoax."
Richard M Dolan Phd

www.binnallofamerica.com...

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