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The trinity and consciousness

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posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Hello,

When i look at different religions and different theories i like to look at what they have in common, since i believe diff religions and theories may have pieces of the truth in them. Here is what i was thinking today.

In Christianity you have the father (god) the son (jesus, god in human form) and the holy ghost (the part of god in all us). Now when you look at the theory of consciousness and the law of one i see a similarity in the holy trinity. In that theory Consciousness is everything, and all there is so in essence consciousness is "god". Consciousness manifested into this physical realm inhabits a human body which can be seen as "god" in human form, or the "son". Then you have the holy ghost which could be seen as the part of the whole that each of us are.

Well it is just something that passed through my mind, thought id share, and get some feed back. thank you and have a great day.




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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the occult like the number 3, lol.

But i believe jesus was real, whether you chose to, thats upto you.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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Consciousness is not everything. What is spirit is spirit(consciousness in part), and what is flesh is flesh(physical). There are 2 parts to reality. 1st part = observer(consciousness), 2nd part = that which is observed and experienced.

Of the 3 parts of the "trinity", you need to start with 1 part. That would be the son. How can you expect to understand that which is greater, if you can't understand that which is lesser first?

And with that, the question is this: What are you? Can you define yourself without naming a possession? "Your body", "Your brain" and so on, these are all possessions. What is it that possesses it? What is "you"?

When you go that, you come to the only conclusion. I just "am". This is not something I can really tell you, it's just something you will have to come to understand on your own. But thinking above the above will lead you in that direction(within). You may even come to realize why death(physical) is not real. The father within is that "I am", but again you really just have to understand why that is.

The father and son relationship is a difference in perspective. The father is that "I am" but is all knowing. Because the father is all knowing, it means he exists outside of "time". There is no "time" for the father.

This can be visualized with a movie film. As the father is all knowing, then it means to the father, creation/universe is static and without change. It is like if you took a movie film and stretched it end to end and viewed the entire movie at once. There is no "time" in the movie, no change, it's just static etc.

But if you take that same film, and limit how much is viewed at once, and view it frame by frame, then you get the element of "time". There is change, time and so forth. This is only possible while under a limited perspective. Time is a function of a limited perception.

This is what Jesus is talking about in regards to him and the father being "one", but yet the father is much greater than he is.

So that is the father/son relationship.

The holy spirit is that which teaches the son. That is, what the father wants the son to understand and when. But the father doesn't give the way this world does. The father gives in terms of pure understanding. There are no labels, no symbols, no spoken words. It's like the smell of a flower. The smell itself is just an experience, and can't really be expressed except among those who have smelled the flower. So when you receive the holy spirit, you receive all kinds of understanding and that leads you back to the father.

I tend to look at each "life" as an experience of the father. I put "life" in quotes, because the only true life is the father(consciousness/to be/etc).



John 14

17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


These are not just things you read in a book. These are actual experiences and things that happen.

[edit on 12/12/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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thank you for your post and your perspective. good read.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by destroyhate
Hello,

When i look at different religions and different theories i like to look at what they have in common, since i believe diff religions and theories may have pieces of the truth in them. Here is what i was thinking today.

In Christianity you have the father (god) the son (jesus, god in human form) and the holy ghost (the part of god in all us). Now when you look at the theory of consciousness and the law of one i see a similarity in the holy trinity. In that theory Consciousness is everything, and all there is so in essence consciousness is "god". Consciousness manifested into this physical realm inhabits a human body which can be seen as "god" in human form, or the "son". Then you have the holy ghost which could be seen as the part of the whole that each of us are.

Well it is just something that passed through my mind, thought id share, and get some feed back. thank you and have a great day.

Essentially you have described Pantheism or Panentheism here.

Another way of looking at it is that man = man + women + Spirit...
...essentially a human trinity with the Spirit as one of the three...
...just as God is One expressed as three Father, Son and Spirit.

This concept can be found in the Pauline letters...
...that as the Shekinah indwelt the Hebrew Sanctuary...
...so now the Shekinah described as Father, Son and Spirit indwells all who believe the Gospel...
...in this way the intended relationships are restored in the New Creation.

Here are some examples of this dynamic from Paul's letters...

God the Father
“God abides in us” - I Jn. 4:12,15,16

God the Son
“Christ lives in me” - Gal. 2:20
“Christ in you, the hope of glory” - Col. 1:27
“Jesus Christ is in you” - II Cor. 13:5

God the Spirit
“His Spirit who indwells you” - Rom. 8:11
“Holy Spirit who dwells in us” - II Tim. 1:14

The principle is also built into nature and is seen in the Transistor...
...A transistor is made of a solid piece of a semiconductor material, with at least three terminals for connection to an external circuit...
...it is a switch that is the fundamental building block of electronics.

Threeness is fundamental to our world and being.




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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from my perspective there are 3 parts to reality, 3 ways you can experience (first,second,third person); mind-body-soul, thought-matter-energy, beginning-middle-end, liquid-solid-gas,
light-shade-darkness....



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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it kinda makes sense about different religions. i assume the same, it's as if each culture has a different peace to the puzzle. because mankind is not meant to be shown unless worthy or it would take the meaning away. it has to be experienced slowly for those who aren't ready.

man started with the knowledge of fire and building shelter, learning how to make tools and grow crops. domesticated livestock and horses and make clothes learned metallurgy and began trading and making maps, then somehow cultures appeared and next thing you know man can read and write and build monuments and worship gods. but while each religion/cultutre honors humanity and nature in different ways, each are expressing a different part of the same.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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I hate that word "God" because it usually implies a ruling deity and Christianity references.



[edit on 12-12-2009 by GrandKitaro777]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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I have given some thought to this as well. There are other similarities as well. For ex: I think in the Bible it says men lived for 120 years. In Jyotish vidya (eastern astrology), the full lifespan of a person in the current Kali yug (there are 4 time periods that repeat and Kali is the current one) is 120 years.

I have also thought about ghosts. Why does each and every culture and religion in the world have something about ghosts? If people all over the world believe it, then maybe they exist.

All religions of the world preach tolerance, love etc so I think they are just different ways of reaching the same goal. People are fighting because of their own small and petty differences.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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I agree, the common theme is love and tolerance for the most part. Thats what i think its all about. I think that is the only way to work towards peace to find a way to ignore all the little things that divide us, all these barriers we put into place and just love everyone as if they were ourselves.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Imagine this scene if you will humor m for a while.

Before creation, you have a position of observer.

You are observing God, He is alone and is stationary.

God begins to think. You still observe Him as motionless and stationary.

God thinks that he will initiate creation. (light, universe, animals, etc.)

God inhales a breath, (same as spirit), and because it is God it is a HOLY BREATH a HOLY SPIRIT.

God formulates the WORDS which cause creation.

God is inseparable from His SPIRIT and His WORD.

Thence you observe, (hear, see) the GOD, HOLY SPIRIT, and WORD, inseparable, create all things.

This is reflected in human reality, since humans were created in the image and likeness of GOD.

A human separated from the spirit/breath will expire (exit spirit).

A human is accountable and responsible for the use of spirit/breath in conjunction with food, for their thoughts and words.

A human can be inspired (spirit within) to do great things, speeches, songs, and actions.

A human can use the spirit and think evil things.
A human can use the spirit and think good things.
Aspirations are good visions and plans.
Aspire (vision using a spirit for good).


The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understooda it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.
7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.b

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
13children born not of natural descent,c nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,d who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”
16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,e,f who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:06 AM
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You would have to make the big assumption on FAITH that the other parties share your same identical values which they do not.

I agree, the common theme is love and tolerance for the most part. Thats what i think its all about. I think that is the only way to work towards peace to find a way to ignore all the little things that divide us, all these barriers we put into place and just love everyone as if they were ourselves. Impossible to do because human nature is evil. Bad, rotten to the core. Sinful, wicked, vile, base. You are describing angels in your prayer not the reality of the world.

Your big assumption is: Love must be defined and written down somewhere. Tolerance must be defined. Peace would have to be defined and agreed upon.

Everyone else in the world will not accept your definitions of these ideals or concepts. Hell you cant even get your immediate family to agree on the definitions.

So that leaves us with a definer of these terms who is not of the world and who can be objective. GOD. It is called the ten commandments.



[edit on 13-12-2009 by fmcanarney]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:10 AM
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That word you used "HATE" does not sound very loving or tolerant, though I could be mistaken. Mr. GrandKitaro.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:13 AM
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I completely understand what you mean, and back to what i was saying how there are similarities. You said god is the outside force to define what is good and what is evil, but consciousness is supposedly all knowing, and technically if we are stuck in our mind-body(physical perspective) then that conscious knowledge is from an "outside source"



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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Supposedly is a pretty indefinite word to draw a conclusion that consciousness is all knowing.

Describe to me what the inside of one ot billion neurons in my brain look like and then describe the atmosphere of a planet 600,000,000 light years away.

You cant but God can.
So he is the definer of good evil love hate.
The measuring stick already exists. It is objective and reasonable and easily followed.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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Well first of all i will make myself clear as i didnt before, at this point i dont believe in the consciousness or law of one theory. i am simply studying it and noticed some similarities in christianity. I am not saying that christians have pieces of the puzzle but are wrong and consciousness is right. Simply noting the likeness of the two.

So with that said here are a few other similarities. In christianity they say prayer changes things, jesus tells us to pray for others, and also to pray for things we need or need help with. Now the law of one says our collective consciousness has the ability to change things or alter reality, for reality is simply an illusion. so when a christian asks their church to pray that coincides with a collective consciousness altering a situation.

Next thing is, christians follow the golden rule and says we should love all humans because we are all brothers and sisters. Love in christianity is the basis for keeping the ten commandments, if you love everyone you will not kill them, you wont steal from them, and so on. now the law of one, in my interpretation says that consciousness is in all things and we as humans are all a part of the same "consciousness" so they say love yourself and you can truly love others. and to love everyone because we are all the same, if you hurt someone you are really hurting yourself, we are all different forms and manifestations of the same "consciousness", or "god"



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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"Well first of all i will make myself clear as i didnt before, at this point i dont believe in the consciousness or law of one theory. i am simply studying it and noticed some similarities in christianity. I am not saying that christians have pieces of the puzzle but are wrong and consciousness is right. Simply noting the likeness of the two."

So with that said here are a few other similarities. In christianity they say prayer changes things, jesus tells us to pray for others, and also to pray for things we need or need help with.

The key point is "pray to whom?"

Now the law of one says our collective consciousness has the ability to change things or alter reality, for reality is simply an illusion. so when a christian asks their church to pray that coincides with a collective consciousness altering a situation.

"They collectively pray to God in heaven to effectuate a change."

Next thing is, christians follow the golden rule and says we should love all humans because we are all brothers and sisters.

Love in christianity is the basis for keeping the ten commandments, if you love everyone you will not kill them, you wont steal from them, and so on. now the law of one, in my interpretation says that consciousness is in all things and we as humans are all a part of the same "consciousness" so they say love yourself and you can truly love others. and to love everyone because we are all the same, if you hurt someone you are really hurting yourself, we are all different forms and manifestations of the same "consciousness", or "god"

When Jesus the Son of God was on earth, he calles scribes and pharicees vipers. He destroyed the money changers property. Not very loving.

God started the first war and as the all powerful being he alone has the right and ability to peacefully co-exist.

God also sanctioned the slaughter of thousands in the Red sea, the population of the world in the great flood, Sodom and Gomorah. He is unhappy and vengeful when he is not taken seriously. this includes hell after life.

Cannabis sativa induced utopian euphoria.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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i sometimes think of it this way, just for my own purposes:

GOD = spirit
Holy Ghost = soul
Son = body



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