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An open letter to ALEX COLLIER

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posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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With all due respect,

the OP has FEAR. FEAR of the unknown.

I do too, but i am able to deal with it.




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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I understand your point here... Fear-mongering quacks with no proof is a very valid and respectable opinion about people like alex collier. But you do miss the point, as I said and others said. While Mr. Collier warns us of aliens coming to eat us, or our food, or whatever their appetites desire, he does tell us that we all have the power to overcome it, to band together in the name of love and stop the behind-the-scenes (and even in the open) manipulation that has been going on for a long time.

I am sure that you are against NWO, Illuminati, global power conspiracies and the like. Right there, you have something in common with Mr. Collier, and with 99% of the world, including me of course. Mr. Collier makes a universal point, as do all the so-called "fear-mongerers" people like to label. While they do use fear as a tactic to promote their message, most of the time it is fair and necessary. Nothing is gonna change if everyone sits around, hoping and waiting for times to change.

People are lazy, which is why socialism will never work. They need something to motivate them, and fear seems to be the only thing that can unite people in the face of obliteration. It took the US 10 years to finally fight against the Nazi's and Imperial Japan, when these threats could have easily been vanquished if people had any foresight or courage to challenge a potential threat. They waited, in fact, HAD to wait, until an attack occurred and the population was fearful and vengeful before they could gain their support.

Sometimes, fear is necessary. Sometimes, fear is fact. It is all about how you perceive it.

For all we know, we could all be dead in 20 years, wishing that we would have acted instead of sitting around, waiting for other people to do our duty or for incompetent leaders to do so.

As a reminder, let me remind you of one of your goals you stated when you joined this site....

2-I see a lot of hostile people looking to destroy or dismantle people’s posts here with little respect for the feelings of the OP. I will not be part of such behavior. I am someone who feels very “at peace” with peace.

That doesn't sound like the person I've seen recently at all.

Remember that respect is essential in communication... and although you may be good-willing in your writing, text communication can be misleading, because you are lacking face-to-face communication that is very necessary when it comes to understanding, seeing as it represents the majority of the way we interpret meaning from communication. Sarcasm and humor can be misinterpreted.

I do appreciate your motive of defeating and conquering liars and misinformation... It is a noble trait that I am not afraid to admit that I lack. People like you are definitely needed in this world, however your means of action could be a little less negative.

Peace



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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i think a lot of what he's saying is true. my grandma and aunt, who are contactees, say a lot of similar things.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:35 PM
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According to most of the ancient texts, beliefs and religions. Those who came from the skies will come back. Regardless of who or what they are they were here and came from the skies and it is all recorded in hieroglyphs, clay tablets, etc. If you chose to ignore all of the ancient writings and call all of the civilizations that were here before us crazy, then go ahead. Do you think people dedicated their life's to make things that would tell us the stories about the ones that came from the skies just for the fun of it?
Why don't you look at all of the evidence that has been there for thousands of years and was left there to remind us of who they where and that they will come back?
I know it seems like stuff from sci-fi movies, but after researching the ancient history many people have discovered the answers to almost all of the so called unexplained mysteries of earth and have come to the conclusion that we were made by aliens to work for them and after the jobs where done, we were left to live here as so called free people but that they will come back. Every day we find more proof that this is real.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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are you serious? ranting on again?

Like i said, this is something completely personal opinion based, accusing him of anything is pointless. you are full of crap for even attempting to say your right, on a subject where everyone knows its a leap of faith.


seriously, this is not what ATS is about, its starting to annoy me. and im 17!


Start contributing, not ridiculing.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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Thank you. Thank you very much for your detailed critique of Alex Collier's video.

What is it they say?.............Oh yeah:

Any publicity is good publicity.

We'll take it.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:15 AM
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Mr. Mask... what changes we've seen...

First you rip into the thread regarding the Mothership and Alex Collier, and now this..

Please, let me show you your first post from August, in which you made a small promise to the community, and sounded like such a great addition to ATS.

Hello from a new Member - Mr Mask




2-I see a lot of hostile people looking to destroy or dismantle people’s posts here with little respect for the feelings of the OP. I will not be part of such behavior. I am someone who feels very “at peace” with peace.


Not quite the same. And no, although I know how much you love and adore ad hominem attacks, I will not mention the quality of your band, and it's Insane Robot Posse theme.


PS. I know you had mentioned in the above link that spelling is not your strong suit. No problem. But just so you know, you will gain no respect from the excessive and incorrect use of quotation marks. They are not used to emphasize... they are used to quote.

And I quote...


Gee wiz...how honored I am to be ridiculed for "pointing" out the liars who find it easy to "fool" so many of you "bright eyed wishers".


Good day to you!



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:16 AM
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Looks like Monts and I were on the same page.

I apologize for the redundancy!



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by systemic.aberration

you will gain no respect from the excessive and incorrect use of quotation marks. They are not used to emphasize... they are used to quote.



Sigh...quotations "can" be used to emphasize your "own" words, to "stress" your own "inflections" and/or "points". It is a habit I picked up from a very famous and influential writer. If he can "get away" with it...then hey...why not me? I understand what you mean there, though you misunderstand a "literary" device used by many writers in the way I use it here. In all, it is "me" quoting "myself" to underline a "point" or "points". I am sorry you think the written word remains at a "simple" level with no room for "tone" or creative use of "quotation marks".

Anyways...On to some points people keep making.

1) "Your posts are in direct conflict with your introduction". Well, Alex is in direct conflict with his own predictions and people "defend" him...so I guess it is no shock that people are defending me on my "rant to Alex".

2) "Speaking about his kids is underhanded" Really? Is it? No...I stand fully behind my point that "this man is a danger to himself and others" and that he is surly not fit to be raising children while maintaining his "malicious" lies. Social services have removed children from thousands of homes for less. I truly am concerned for his children and whatever "family" he may have/had...no to mention I am also "worried" for the fragile minds he is bending for they may just snap one day. Perhaps that is his plan? Find the crazy folks, push them to snapping, and then the CIA arrests them? It has been done and documented before with various other provocateurs funded by law agencies within many countries.

3) "If a message is kind and loving it matters not if it is a lie". THIS ONE RIGHT HERE bothers me to great levels. As mentioned before, "Hitler" had a loving message....so did Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones, C Manson, D Koresh....literally countless murders, kidnappers, dictators, you name it. Adding "love" to a lie just to sell it to "brainwashed" followers is hardly an act worthy of "respect". It is the greatest, oldest, way of lying and a trick that often leads to many disgusting and despicable ends. If you can not see how often that has been true in your world for over thousands of years, it will take much more then "myself" to show you that.

4) "I fear the unknown". Again...really? That is far from the truth...I seek the unknown. I am not close minded to the possibility of "aliens" or "contact". I just don't "buy every sham" at face value. You want to believe in Alex, be my guest...don't be shocked when anyone with a "mind sharper then a bowling ball" begins to "question your sanity" or your "inability to use critical thinking skills". It is our right to believe "you" to be absolutely "crazy", just as it is your right to trust in "crazy people" to lead you to truth.

5) "Why have I skipped the fact that Alex has been debunked in the past with his countless failed predictions" It is true that I have skipped this tidbit of information with this thread. I figured it was already "well documented" across hundreds of websites across the world. My thread was based on his "newest" interview with Project Camelot.

6) "It is your job to prove him wrong not the other way around". That is very funny and a overly used argument used to defend "liars" who sell "lies" that "can not be proven". I notice when I reverse this tactic and say "I am right, no I do not have to prove I am right", the "believers" and "open minded ones" come rushing out saying "NO! PROVE HIM WRONG! PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT!" Incredible...simply...incredible. I see that this way of "debating your own validity" only works when you are talking about secretly contacted aliens or invisible space-ships over Antarctica, but when used to defend a "rational" view, it is throw out the window as a "failed attempt". That right there says enough about the "lack" of "critical thought" shared by those who "fall" for Alex's little stories.

7)"He isn't hurting anyone, leave him alone" THIS ONE really blows my mind...Look, he IS hurting people. Hurting people far more then most can ever hope/fear to hurt people. He is singling out "crazy" folk and giving them all the reason to "fear total destruction by aliens in the near future"...Have you watched the video interview posted along with my OP? Did you see the "crowd" asking questions at the end? It was one after another "fearful" zealots freaking out in total terror, asking Alex "how can we survive this!". If you see no reason to be concerned that a "UFO Guru" is using his manipulation to take advantage of people's fears...then you really haven't thought this through. Have you any idea, at all, what a single delusional human can do in a fit of terror? Have you any idea how stable a "zealot" is when his world is twisted into an "end of the world scenario "? If you are STILL LOST on that...I again refer you to "Heaven's Gate" or "Jim Jones"....never mind the countless other "lesser known" instances that have claimed thousands (nay...millions) of lives in the past.

8) "You hope I get banned from ATS" Hey...I hope people stop falling for idiots smart enough to brainwash the "gullible". We all have hopes and goals.

9) "My ego is huge and has no reason to be so". This "may" be true...may not be...all's I know is I am a "big fan" of ego and self worth. Imagine if my ego was so large that I thought I was the "savior" of the human race...or even worse...the Galactic Pope that aliens choose to communicate through to the human race. Lucky for me, my ego is not THAT huge or ridiculous.

10) "You think I am super cool, awesome, talented and good looking". Hey...no one wrote this..but I can sense you thinking it. Maybe I am a telepathic conduit for our species? WHO KNOWS! We can't prove it right or wrong...right?

With all that said and done...I return to my life off the computer and hope at least "one" of these points hit a part of your rational side. If not...hell...I guess I have wasted yet another moment in effort to spread truth and logic.

Again...I make no mistake is assuming myself a man of grace or "great communication", but I surly do "have" a serious point here (a few of them actually), and unlike "invisible space ships and holographic technologies from space" My points have mostly been proven by history thousands of times in the past.

In the end...it is "me" being right...and "Alex" being "harmfully wrong".

Prove it otherwise?

[edit on 13-12-2009 by Mr Mask]

[edit on 13-12-2009 by Mr Mask]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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What i find frustrating about Project Camelot is all these people claiming they have evidence of many kinds regarding ET activity, at the same time they demand disclosure and tell uss we are beeing screwed and so on. But why then would THEY not provide the evidence they have?! One is a supersoldier with exreme powers.. The next have acces to incredible technology he wont show because his intention is doing bussines...the other keeps predicting things that never happens and so it goes on and on.
I have had enough of Project Camelot, ET disclosure AND 2012!
It has come to a point when it is not healthy for one (me) to expect et will come and save us, or 2012 will awake anyone and so..

So my letter to mr A Collier and project camelot is SHOW US EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, if not you are no better than the ones you acuse, you are one of them. When you do any kind of interview claim for proof! Say your lisseners expect some kind of evidence or it is all BS! (as with all mr A Collier)



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by gusan
What i find frustrating about Project Camelot is all these people claiming they have evidence of many kinds regarding ET activity, at the same time they demand disclosure and tell uss we are beeing screwed and so on. But why then would THEY not provide the evidence they have?! One is a supersoldier with exreme powers.. The next have acces to incredible technology he wont show because his intention is doing bussines...the other keeps predicting things that never happens and so it goes on and


Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot made it clear at the end of the recent Alex Collier interview after Alex made the bold statement "that he knows where thousand of missing children are currently located, but he is not ready to share that information"...

Kerry said...and this one is great...

"It is not a whistle-blower's 'job' to tell us everything they know, it is 'our' job to follow the 'clues' they leave us so we can figure it out".

Really Kerry? REALLY!? It that what a whistle blower's job actually is?

So Kerry...it is ok to allow thousands of children to remain "hidden/missing" having "god knows what done to them" all the while having parents worried sick and dying inside to be reunited with said "children", because its the whistle-blower's JOB to only give CLUES?

This witch is a god damned SICKO! And people say "Alex" is not a danger to "dumb people".

USE YOUR HEAD YOU PEOPLE! Imagine the power Alex and Kerry both have over all the people who lost children and want those children returned!? Imagine what can be swindled from a grieving parent hopelessly looking for hope in the organized HOAXING of such a thing.

Man...some people are crazy and some people are dumb...but when you make it your JOB to take advantage of those crazy-dumb-people, what does that make you?

A dangerous human that should be locked away and kept from hurting and taking advantage of folks "too gullible" to defend themselves from these predatory charlatans.

WHO THE HELL HERE IS UNABLE TO SEE THAT?

Cus really...I got a few stories I want to sell you about "me finding the pool of immortality"...I am selling cups of its water for 50 bucks a pop.

Yeah...really sick stuff there, and someone should be "shutting them down" before more hopeless zealots get swept up into the mix of "lies" and "underhandedness".

Hate on Mr Mask all you please...but I make a damn point that is rock solid here.

Imagine you were a dummy...a dummy so dumb that I could sell you anything.

Now imagine your child was taken or lost...and Alex comes telling you "I know where your child is...but you must trust my alien story to understand".

Now imagine how much fricken love, money and attention you would be willing to spare to fund Alex and his little hoax.

No wonder Kerry goes on the record after the interview saying "what Alex has said today is all true".

Niiiice project...I see it is very focused on finding the "truth".

Turns my stomach...and you call this "fear" of the unknown!?

You are mistaken.

[edit on 13-12-2009 by Mr Mask]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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I am with you mr mask, i must also admit that i have just recently understood this..i loved to see Proj Cam next video, and the latest 2012 "proof" and ET movies and all that. But i now understand there are so many many people that really do harm with their lies.
Take all this P Camelot interviews..that is a pair of really dangerous people doing interviews to other either krazy, dissinformation purpose, fear and so on..none of them presents no evidence at all to what they say. NOTHING! Not even to back up a small part of their "story"

I am also open for the reality were ET do visit us and they do exist, we are not alone and so on, but i wont take any more crap from these people. They give us nothing more than stories, science fiction so hard to "imagine" it has to be truth. But they give no proof at all, not one single bit of proof of any kind. That has to ring some bells!
I like Haramein, he has a scientific aproach at least..

I think there is one important thing we need to agree on. That whoever claims things like Henry Deacon, Bob dean J Maxwell, A Collier, Dr Pete Peterson!! (cia or what?) need to present real undisputible proof to suport at least part of what they say.

Besides, many of them sound "rightish" using frases like "arm yourselfs" "prepare for what is comming" and Alex C is absolutly oone of this ones, he contradicts himself speaking of love and understanding..the next second he prepares you for war!


regards

[edit on 13-12-2009 by gusan]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by gusan


I think there is one important thing we need to agree on. That whoever claims things like Henry Deacon, Bob dean J Maxwell, A Collier, Dr Pete Peterson!! (cia or what?) need to present real undisputible proof to suport at least part of what they say.

regards


Thank you for agreeing with me...it is so hard to get a "few" rational people to agree on anything around here.

I agree with YOU that these folks should "put up or shut up". It is one thing to "think" aliens "may" be visiting us...but to put out there things like "this is fact and we have proof", but then fail to produce such proof, is just asinine and dishonest.

Does it anger me to see people throwing all logic out the window to run towards the gospel of Project Camelot and the rest? Sure...but not as much as one may think...it more "concerns" me.

Crazy folk are fragile and often dangerous...they should be protected from people who see them as an easy "mark" to profit from.

But...you will see many people calling my views "unfair" or "unfounded" because I can not "prove" they are lying.

Always the same line...

Return it with "you can't prove Alex is telling the TRUTH" and you get eye-rolling and snickering from the UFO-crew...sad really.

I also agree with you that "aliens" are out there....hell, maybe even here or coming soon. But such a huge statement demands proof...not speculation and hearsay.

But is that recognized as "healthy" by the "star-worshipers"? NOPE...you have to either give Alex "some" credit" or "all" for UFO-ers to slap you a high-five.

Sorry...I have seen far too any hoaxers and flimflam to even BEGIN allowing the likes of Alex to just "get away" with his OVERLY OBVIOUS attack on our "insane" people, here on planet earth.

Thanks for posting!

[edit on 13-12-2009 by Mr Mask]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Rigel Kent
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You may have got more respect from ATS members if you had taken your gripe up directly with Alex, I believe his e-mail address is not difficult to find.
All you have managed to do is draw a lot of attention to yourself for all the wrong reasons.


PEACE,
RK


Thanks for the advice...if am ever looking for "more respect" I may look into what you suggest.

But being so popular on and off the net, I can't afford to risk gaining "more friends" or "more respect" at this time.

Dunno if you notice...but I am pretty awesome.

PS-Thanks for sharing what VERY little you had to share. I hope people "respect you" more for it.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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While I agree with calling out a nut-job for what he is, you have just overkilled and overkilled and overkilled this guy. There's no real purpose for that other than building up a little ego. You probably smile pretty wide when you read someone else's attempt to bash you in return, because it lets you know that "Hey, I said some intelligent things that they had to write a big long post to counter!" I do the same thing when something really urks me, and I do have a knack for understanding people's psychology. All that said, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. You just may have overdone it to the point where almost nobody respects you anymore (on ATS). You probably don't care if anyone respects you, but if your behavior here reflects your behavior elsewhere, then one day you may need a real friend to help you, and there might not be anybody there.

PS: I WILL call you out on your bashing of his parenthood. You need to learn real quick that you should stay away from insulting someone's family or children. People will take offense to what you say about them personally, but they might kill you for messing with their family.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Forgett about A Collier, i think we speak of many more than one individual.
Lets make this about Project Camelot just for a moment; besides the "vaccine", vitamine D and a few other videos they have interviewed people that say they know or are part of something, this people are all on the "disclosure" side and demands the gov to give us the truth...now, what about all THEY tell us, can anyone recall a single evidence beeing presented?!

If anyone here sais "i saw a UFO big as a fotball field" we directly demand proff or call it BS. This is the same thing, just stop for a moment and think about Project Cam as you treat an ATS member and you have absolutly nothing but words and stories. What is the diference? That they are interviewed or speaking at a seminar..thats it, and that is business! That does not give them more credibility, on the contrary they have a reason..to make a living.

Besides, i find this so stupid..they ask for disclosure but they wont give you/me nothing themselfs. So until they dont present evidence i cant take them seriously.

[edit on 13-12-2009 by gusan]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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may be if someone like `mr mask ` and had chance to comment on the " philosophy " of marshal applewhite then some of the heavens gate victims might have seen sense

the real question is why are you cheerleading for a nutjob like collier ?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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Well said this time Mr Mask, my opinion is that Project Camelot should call them self Project Sayalot, or Talkalot. Please people lets find solutions to problems we allready know and stop looking outside for more.



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