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Originally posted by kshaund
You haven't met him, you say it would be a waste of time to meet his friends/family, etc. and take too many years. Well years is what it takes.
I personally spent decades researching researchers, I went and met as many as I could so I could ask my questions and/or get a feel for them as a person. That's why to me you're an armchair critic. Read all his writing, saw all his videos and *voila* you're an AC expert - no, you're not. All you've done is read his writing and watched his videos like everyone else, otherwise you know nothing about him because it would take too much "time" you admitted.
You didn't address any of my direct questions, like why not diss on someone who truly is trying to herd a following and milk them for money/support.
You base all this on your assumptions and not your experience, tsk tsk. I'd rather hear about people's personal experiences than their opinions on other people's experiences.
You can claim you're not a victim of brainwashing all you like, but you are here doing what you're doing because you're a good sheeple whether you're willing to see that or not.
Doesn't sound like you're much of a credible researcher in any regard.
Oh, except you, you're not buried in lies or duped or brainwashed to stand in lines like cattle, pay your taxes on time, believe what the tv tells you...
You are not an Alex Collier expert until you've spent time with him and learned everything there is to know about him, his life, his work.
I could care less what you believe.
I don't agree you are an expert on Alex anywhere except in your mind. You won't take the time it takes to become an expert by your own admission.
Your opinion is valid, everyone's is. I just don't accept it as truth because you haven't shown any, only opinion.
I appreciate you wishing me luck on finding truths, we could all use it... (and yes, I know it was sarcasm-
You should have discussed this with Alex first, that would be the honorable thing to do before you go publicly trashing him and again I say you are not just going after his work, you are going after him and his parenting, which (in my opinion) is WAY over the line of intelligent discussion and making it personal on your part.
Originally posted by kshaund
reply to post by Mr Mask
I've been trying to figure out how you get groceries without standing in line since everyone else has to... do you just butt in? steal them? Evolved enough you don't need to eat?
How do you make money? Do something and get paid for it like everyone else?
If you wrote a book about everything you've learned over the past decades, I'd love my free copy because by your belief system selling it would mean it's a scam intended to bilk money from people.
It sounds to me like you don't believe there are aliens here, period, that everyone out there trying to tell their story is a fraud, that you are one of the few that are "awake" and everyone else who thinks they are, aren't.
And no, you are not an expert on Alex Collier just because you've read his stuff. If you were an "expert" you'd know all about him personally as well, which you don't.
It's laughable you'd expect him to respond to you at all - who are you to him? Someone in a forum who doesn't buy his story and asking for a dog fight - yeah I'd sure jump at the chance if I were him ;-) This is a guess on my part, but I'm guessing he doesn't care what you believe, or not believe, of him.
There are tens of thousands of missing children every year - if its not abduction for aliens or sick sacrifices where are they going??? I suppose Bohemian Grove is a scam too?
If you believe Alex is "lying", then who is telling the truth in your opinion? Anyone? Or are they all lying?
So wise one, what do you believe is going on in our world based on all your decades of research? (serious question) What are the truths we're all (except you) missing?
Originally posted by Mr Mask
We are being watched here. Those of us who go around getting crazy and violent are in danger of being used as "pawns" by those who wish to discredit conspiracy theorists as paranoid wack-os.
MOST IMPORTANTLY-
You won't be finding me writing much about "certain conspiracies" that I find to be "important", for reasons being "I refuse to be recorded here doing so".
This site (and many other avenues of conspiracy pop culture) have watered down many facets of the very subjects they report on. There seems to be an effort to erase the words and documents that have been shared or released in the past 60 years, and replace them with "Grove stories" or "alien reptiles" or "OOB experiences" or "ghosts", while leaving more "hard hitting subjects" to be forgotten and unreported.
I won't be incriminating myself further by "detailing" subjects I find "dangerous" to talk about.
Originally posted by MajorDisaster
It's very easy and very safe to debunk and attack and call people names on here, lots of people do it.
Much harder to try to get to the root of real conspiracies and real urgent issues and make a real difference on here. It takes a level of courage which you admit you don't have.
Originally posted by Mr Mask
You bet. No need to be shot in the face on my front step for posting to the public a bunch of crap on a site that "possibly" may be a Cointel trap or CIA information gathering tool.
Originally posted by MajorDisaster
Gee, thanks for that lovely image, Masky.
I believe that the owners themselves are good people,
but yeah the "Cointel trap" people are here too.........
Now, off to get me some groceri--*BANG* *thud*
Originally posted by kshaund
??? The Grove is a "story"??? You totally lost me on that one - there's far too much support that its real, including an interview with Mr. Gerken himself and Nixon about it !!! It's VERY real and if you doubt that, then you won't believe anything!
Originally posted by undo
well something is going on.
i mean, why does a space station with 5 guys on it, need several tons of fresh fruit?
why is there a space launch platform in the middle of the ocean that we never hear anything about other than the fact it exists?
have you seen all the junk floating in earth orbit? what the sam hill is that all about!?
if that's all junk, they are surely endangering the entire planet and their own programs, defense systems and satellites, by leaving it up there,
something's fishy going on, we just don't know how fishy and who and what and where to draw the line of demarcation between ET, earth based ET and our own stuff!
Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by Mr Mask
Heres the thing Mr Mask. Good as this thread has been, Im guessing you know as well as I do , that to continue to entertain/torture the Disciples of Collier any longer, is just blatant sadism on your part and I applaud you for it !