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Once apon a time men wore the pants and wore them well.

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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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You called the video a crock of Bull...

And then you agreed with everything he said...


Are you feeling ok?


Rest... Breath.... Compose yourself, Organize your thoughts... AND THEN write them down.

You are all over the MAP with your thoughts.

-Edrick (Try Again)




posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 05:39 AM
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Down South we wear khakis because its hot and they are light weight, plus they are a little dressier in formal/ semi formal situations. Besides, being a man is all in your head and what you expect a man to be... your culture and upbringing. I have a strong , smart wife that keeps me on my toes and I love her dearly. But I can run a chainsaw, drive a truck, and butcher hogs as good as any man.
The idea of the ad is to manipulate you into questioning your manhood, and if you fall short, buy their khakis... viagra with a pants leg.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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If I got to meet a real man, I would worship the ground he walks on. I have never been a feminist, and would be forever greatful for a male role modle for my son, instead of the dead beat, drunken abusive embarrassment I now cannot get out of my life.....



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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Ha, I like the idea presented in this ad that somehow men don't "wear the pants" today. Ridiculous. And, also, I'm less of a man because I don't eat meat, I respect the feelings of others and I think violence is only ever a last resort and not the first one? That's straight up insulting, dude. I'm confident in my masculinity without having to pursue some bull macho idealisation of our often cruddy past. Maybe we should go back to a time when rape within marriage was legal, or when children worked in factories, you know, when men were in charge. Remember how great the world was fifty years ago? Wasn't everything just perfect then, before women were allowed to wear pants?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by mellisamouse
I have never been a feminist, and would be forever greatful for a male role modle for my son, instead of the dead beat, drunken abusive embarrassment I now cannot get out of my life.....


You know, if you HAD been a feminist, perhaps that would have gotten you mad enough to get that drunken and abusive person out of your life a long time ago.

And remember that as long as you are letting this person pester your life, you are sending the wrong message to your son. You are already providing him with a lousy male role model, teaching him that it is OK for men to be dead beats and abusive. You are also teaching your son that women will put up with it.

Get this low life out of your life, not only for your own sake, but also for the sake of your son.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
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While I do see the extremes in this ad, I have, under numerous occasions, been told by women that opening the door for them is offensive. I simply nod, smile, and shut it on them. But I'm also a person who's mother raised him right, and holds the door for anyone. Sometimes I open it, and step aside, definitely for females and elderly, sometimes for other males, and for males, i at least walk thru and hold the door from there until they reach it.

Chivalry. That's how I live. And it extends to everyone.

Also, working on a car or learning how to shoot a deer does not a man make.


I am sorry you were told that but my point kinda goes both ways. I, as a member of the human race, have more worries then who is opening a door for me. It is a silly arguement point for any group. There are bigger things in teh world to worry about then who is opening a door for whom and why. Dammit, if I got my arms full, someone better open the door for me.

As for working on a car, it was just symbolism of, no one is forcing men to be more feminist. No one is forcing them. Whatever makes you feel manly, even if it is putting up christmas lights over the garage, do it.

It is called civilization where we don't have to act like barbarians anymore, but you still can if you really choose too.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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My saying is.. I don't believe in equal rights. I wanna be treated a hell of alot better than a man! haha. People are still pretty courteous where I am (military base) and it is contagious.

I like the ad. Men should not be afraid to be men.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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Actually I agree with you. Problem is that the general population doesn't know how to define the masculine and feminine role.

One of the worst things feminism has done was telling women they HAD to work. You have to have a career.

A woman who chooses to stay at home has more choice then a woman who has to work.

But this always works both ways. It shouldn't be considered unmasculine for a guy to cry in public.

For me there is nothing sexier then a guy who is secure enough with his own self that he can cry and not worry about "masculinity".

There are some benefits coming out of that believe it or not.

The military now provides a huge sample of medical information. Since the macho, :I feel pain but I can't show it or seek treatment: Has declined, the military takes people who have been hurt and now actually seek medical treatment, and use them for pain management and other studies. Since people get a through physical upon entering the military, and unfortunately people get hurt, they also now have a follow up group.

This also means that more and more military and veteran males are seekign therapy. It has increased exponentially. Providing powerful therapy studies on post traumatic stress disorder.
And this information is being used to the benefit of all medicine, not just veterans.


I think that has been the largest stride for humans that men can say, I am depressed, maybe I should see a doctor.

That being said. Equal opportunity is equal opportunity. It means if a male wants to stay home and be a stay at home dad, they should do so.

Are any masculine groups fighting the new maternity leave being given to males?

I think they should get more personally.

I have met stay at home dads. They are happy and do a great job. Their friends tease them. They say: I am sitting at the mall with my kids having a good time. What are you doing? Oh, typing in a cube?

Women didn't really want to have to all work. It kills me that I have to work. I want to be at home with my kid baking something tastey. But because of finances, I have to work.

But what it is really about is women having the choice. If I wanted to major in science, become a professor. I should have the same opportunities as a guy.

But vice versa.

If a guy wants to be a welder and have children with 10 different women, that is his choice. Highly immoral, but his choice.

As for the attractiveness of males. I will be absolutely truthful. Women want the perfect combination of both. And it is not easy to find. We want the man who will hold us and tell us it will be ok when we are crying. But you will go out and defend us when attacked.

yes, Prince Charming. Who know how to bring out our femininity, yet treat us like equals.

Society usually has to swing from one extreme to the other before finally meeting in the middle, which is what is happening here.






[edit on 13-12-2009 by nixie_nox]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Amen sis! Even when I was married I was pulling twice the weight, just like all working moms.



I rarely post these days but in all of the years I've been on ATS and even when I was an active poster, I have only come across one or two females that share my views on this subject. It's refreshing to "meet" a like-minded person, especially one living in my home state of California - land of way too many bra-burning, free-loving, self-centered, me, Me, ME feminists that spit on traditional values and attempt to make themselves feel better by portraying stay-at-home Moms as non-productive members of society.

I've been sharing the ad with my friends and with only one exception, those that liked the ad were conservatives and those that didn't like the ad were liberals. A poll last month asking people if they considered themselves liberal or conservative showed that only about 38% of the US population considered themselves liberal while 60% viewed themselves as conservative. I'm pretty sure that if the numbers were reversed and 60% were liberals Dockers would NOT have gone with this ad!

calstorm - are you in Northern or Southern California? I'm a So Cal native.

Jemison



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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What people consider themselves can be pretty skewed. 75% of people surveyed consider themselves environmentalists. um yea.....



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
Just for the record. I , nor have my friends, have ever told a male they couldn't open the door for us.
This is actually a rumor going around to attack feminism.

If your masculinity is tied up in being able to open doors for women, femininity isn't the problem.


I hold doors open for women and men.

Does that make me a "nancy boy?"



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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First of all, we are far, far away from a genderless society. Secondly, this add makes it seem like a genderless society is a bad thing. Who cares what gender is building houses or fighting wars as long as it's getting done?

And who is the supreme authority of manliness that decided to associate feminine qualities to salid, lattes and plastic forks?

This ad seems like it came out of the 1930s.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Its so easy to feel alone in our views in this state. I was born in the L.A. area and lived there a good portion of my childhood, teen and early 20 years were spent in the extreme north and now I am in the Sacramento area. I have lived all over the state but the views don't change much.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by clay2 baraka

I hold doors open for women and men.

Does that make me a "nancy boy?"


That would make you a gentleman. Nothing "nancy" about it.

To me, it just shows that you were raised properly and are secure in your manhood.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by mellisamouse
If I got to meet a real man, I would worship the ground he walks on. I have never been a feminist, and would be forever greatful for a male role modle for my son, instead of the dead beat, drunken abusive embarrassment I now cannot get out of my life.....


With the exception of the drunken part,you described my first husband!
Ex-husbands, are like that wad of gum you can't quite get off from the
bottom of your shoe!
If you have children with them,they think they have branded you for life
as their personal property. I divorced this sorry loser,learned he was just
a bully,went on with my life.I put my neck in a noose once(marriage),I
was going to think twice first.
Twenty-five years later,I meet and marry a wonderful man!



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 10:43 PM
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I hold open doors for whomever is standing behind me.

Being as I am female, does this make me feminist?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by awake_awoke
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I hold open doors for whomever is standing behind me.

Being as I am female, does this make me feminist?



No. A feminist would say "you're a man. open the door for yourself"

Holding it open for someone makes you polite.

Ya know, that word that used to exist in our culture?

Polite Men were called Gentleman
Polite Women were called Lady's

...that was a day, long ago....in a galaxy far far away



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Being a bit young for feminism I can only say thank you to those that brought the movement about...

Actually I use the example of holding the door for whomever is standing behind me as an explanation of how I think society and gender relations shall move forward in the future.

Sometimes we need to do something drastic as a means to an end (i.e feminism).

As both geders move towards some sort of "modern androgyny" males will become somewhat slightly "feminized" and women become slightly "masculine" in order to better celebrate and understand each others differences.

It is crazy to think how we came from cultures that celebrated femininity and masculinity....then oppressed the celebration of the feminine until very recently where the cyle of oppression had to be stopped.

Most young women, as long as they have the option to act and do as they please, actually embrace their femininity and most modern men do as well.

Gender is to be celebrated amongst each other, and not oppressed or used as a tool against each other.

Oranges and Apples, but with equal footing in the fruit bowl.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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Indeed! Star for you!

Not only do women want "Prince Charming" but most men (MODERN men that is) like a feminine creature not because she is weak...but because she is powerful.

So I can bake cookies in stilettos (can my husband do that? no....that takes major skill) but I'm also ready to knock out some drywall. Much sexier than leaving every major decision up to him because "He's the man!" Flattering, yes. Intriguing.....nope.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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I too wish Chivalry was resurrected. I have quite a few misogynists in my family, luckily my dear Hubby isn't one of the.

I would love the door opened for me, politeness, calm, unrushed interactions, instead of rude pushing and shoving. *Yes I went Christmas shopping this week.


Many feminists under rate the power of being feminine. I've worked pretty hard in my life, but a bit of graciousness goes a long way too.

I mean you can't tell me this woman isn't feminine, modest and in control.
Pin-up



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