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A nudist President/leader now!

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posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Is there any Western movement, religious or otherwise that is dead-set against nudism? On what would anti-nudist arguments be founded?
How many who are moderate in response to nudist rights in a "non-sexual" context would accept a nudist US President (or any other Western super-power)? Perhaps private nudism would be accepted, but why not a nude leader on the cover of Times Magazine? I think it could do wonders for global peace: a leader with literally nothing to hide!
Stangely, in traditionally nude regions of Africa, especially women's clothing is becoming more conservative. In Uganda there's even peoples who went naked till recently and are now demanding that mini-skirts are indecent! In South Africa black women who still went topless two decades ago in rural areas are now also occassionaly harassed by black men for wearing pants and short dresses. Sometimes such women are even sexually abused and beaten.
Ultimately, if we truly desire multi-culturalism, then we need a nudist world leader to fight the stigma against nudism.
One thing is sure: more youngsters will watch and read the news (at least until the novelty of Sarah Palin starkers wanes), tribal people will revert to previous pride and order, and the soft-porn reality TV programs will collapse. The fashion industry and their "revealing" garments will become useless, but sun-screen sales will shoot through the roof!




posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.
..Not sure, but I think an open-minded attitude towards nudism would put us at odds even more than ever with deeply religious cultures outside of europe. Not that I really give two _____ what they want/think about who we elect, but in practicality I don't think the overall reaction would be positive.

[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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If people are clean and in a suitable temperature, then what are the real advantages of clothes? I think people actually need clothes to come up with concepts like "revealing" and "sexual".
If everyone went nude, Paris hilton and the Kardashians would go out of business overnight. Who would care about Kim or Khloe's skimpy wardrobe if everyone was nude? They are actually only in business in relation to body shame.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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honestly I can't think of any. It's just there's such a wide array of cultures out there that would react differently to it. In this global village, differences in culture are great ways to spread propoganda about other cultures.
Personally though I wouldn't mind it, even though I'm sure canada's male population would shrink dramatically....


[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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Having been a nudist for many years I agree with the OP that nudists have little to hide. In the nudist lifestyle I have known many open minded and kind people. Besides,how seriously can an angry naked person be taken?
I believe that prudism is a disease,brought on by ones self loathing!



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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how bout clinton



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by heyo
Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.
..Not sure, but I think an open-minded attitude towards nudism would put us at odds even more than ever with deeply religious cultures outside of europe. Not that I really give two _____ what they want/think about who we elect, but in practicality I don't think the overall reaction would be positive.

[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]

Well, I won't say all non-European cultures would object. I suppose Muslims could still cover their faces and be nudist-fashionable? Well, who cares, the cultures (or groups) that hate the West already do so in any case?
Islam and fundamentalist Christianity seem to compete for souls and laws in parts of Africa that were still fairly tribal within living memory. Yet, both systems result in misogyny. "Dress" suddenly is a huge issue to control women - so the West should ultimately take sides against religious extremism and elect a nude leader. Nobody should be forced to go nude, but it could send a message of support to friendly nations and peoples, who don't align themselves with exported extremism from any source.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
I think it could do wonders for global peace: a leader with literally nothing to hide!



I'm all for a nude president, but nudity don't equate to peace. The Celts and other combatants fought in the nude.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Just curious: to all nudists (not sure which country you're from), but have you ever experienced stigma, or oppression against nudists?

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posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
Stangely, in traditionally nude regions of Africa, especially women's clothing is becoming more conservative. In Uganda there's even peoples who went naked till recently and are now demanding that mini-skirts are indecent! In South Africa black women who still went topless two decades ago in rural areas are now also occassionaly harassed by black men for wearing pants and short dresses. Sometimes such women are even sexually abused and beaten.


The changes you describe are due to the spread of the Islamic faith in sub-saharan Africa. Expect these changes to intensify over the next few years.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by halfoldman
The changes you describe are due to the spread of the Islamic faith in sub-saharan Africa. Expect these changes to intensify over the next few years.


Regionally and largely yes.
However here in South Africa the Zulu taxi-drivers who harrass women for tight pants and miniskirts are not Muslim.
The spread of Christian fundamentalism plays a big role.
There is also a notion that Westerners find nudity pornographic, and there is now a ban on western photographers at the annual reed dances in Swaziland and Zululand (where thousands of virgins parade before the kings virtually naked).
I think a lot of colonial photography bordered on erotica, and now cultures have been told by religious people to be ashamed and wary of that.
It is also true that in SA women have Affirmative Action programs to uplift them specifically, and this is turning men nasty, bitter and prompts them to re-invent ways to police women and keep them in their "place".
I think if Obama came here and his wife went topless it would really please and impress the local cultures.
At least for social respect any new male Prez would have to be circumcized though.

[edit on 11-12-2009 by halfoldman]



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman

Originally posted by heyo
Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.
..Not sure, but I think an open-minded attitude towards nudism would put us at odds even more than ever with deeply religious cultures outside of europe. Not that I really give two _____ what they want/think about who we elect, but in practicality I don't think the overall reaction would be positive.

[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]

Well, I won't say all non-European cultures would object. I suppose Muslims could still cover their faces and be nudist-fashionable? Well, who cares, the cultures (or groups) that hate the West already do so in any case?
Islam and fundamentalist Christianity seem to compete for souls and laws in parts of Africa that were still fairly tribal within living memory. Yet, both systems result in misogyny. "Dress" suddenly is a huge issue to control women - so the West should ultimately take sides against religious extremism and elect a nude leader. Nobody should be forced to go nude, but it could send a message of support to friendly nations and peoples, who don't align themselves with exported extremism from any source.


Yeah I agree not all would object either, and maybe it would be positive for tribal peoples. Howver I'm thinking of arab states as well as china. Huge populations there. Not sure what russia would think. Maybe they wouldn't care, as long as there was some heroin.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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That is so (pardon me) Damned COLD! (I just couldn't resist.) During the summer, I wear as few clothes as I can get buy with. Just shorts in the yard, and put on a shirt when I have to run into town.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by MR BOB
how bout clinton


Well that's an idea! LOL

Nice find



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Never had anybody give me much of a hassle about it. Primarily people just cannot seem to understand why I want to go around naked. I simply ask them why they want to wear clothes when the weather is just perfect to be wearing none. Non-nudists seem to think nudist resorts are just one big rolling orgy..when in fact you see less conduct that would be considered sexual in nature than you would see at a regular clothed beach.


Public nudity will never be accepted in the U.S. Just not gonna happen.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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On China: from my experience (former East Germany) most socialist states had less of a problem with nudity than captilist states.
I suppose it had to with resources and notions of equality. Well, same-sex nudity in bath-houses and so forth are no problem, but even mixed gender nudity seems much less of an issue.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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How sad on UK:

"Testing the Law

During 2003-2004, a Hampshire man named Stephen Gough, who became known as The Naked Rambler, put the UK law to the test by attempting to walk nude from Land's End, Cornwall, to John O'Groats, in Scotland. It took him seven months to complete the 900-mile walk - much of that time spent in jail. He was arrested 14 times and served two short jail sentences. He tried to repeat the walk with a companion in 2005, was arrested for a breach of the peace and spent two weeks in jail in Scotland. The local sheriff said, as Gough appeared in court naked, "I have no doubt in my mind that walking naked through a Scottish town and along a busy road is not something which the Scottish public should be expected to deal with.
(From gouk.about.com...)



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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Maybe public nudity won't be excepted, but strangely one can find any celebrity nude on the Internet!
What rules will the virtual world make-up for our second lives in cyber-space?



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by heyo
Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.


[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]


Now, you are twisted. The thought of Sara Palin nude has ruined my lunch well into next year. So badly ruined that I've thrown up the christmas dinner that has yet to be eaten.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Oh come on. I might not like some people's politics, but whether they are naked or dressed will make no difference.
Although I find many people distasteful, their wearing of animal or synthetic, or their own human skin is not going to make a difference.
I do think it has something to do with gender: men seem to judge each other less physically when naked, but women must somehow fufill standards and be sexy before they can be naturally nude - newsflash: No naked person makes anyone vomit! Not even the morbidly obese people on Jerry Springer cause mass audience vomiting!
I mean I've seen Palin wear a sexy dress (that DRESS almost made me vomit) on Larry King. However, this is not a sexual argument, and the real human body is not sexual, but neither is it disgusting. I think we've become so brainwashed by the photo-shopped illusion of "porn", that real nudity is a disappointment.



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