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Originally posted by heyo
Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.
..Not sure, but I think an open-minded attitude towards nudism would put us at odds even more than ever with deeply religious cultures outside of europe. Not that I really give two _____ what they want/think about who we elect, but in practicality I don't think the overall reaction would be positive.
[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]
Originally posted by halfoldman
I think it could do wonders for global peace: a leader with literally nothing to hide!
Originally posted by halfoldman
Stangely, in traditionally nude regions of Africa, especially women's clothing is becoming more conservative. In Uganda there's even peoples who went naked till recently and are now demanding that mini-skirts are indecent! In South Africa black women who still went topless two decades ago in rural areas are now also occassionaly harassed by black men for wearing pants and short dresses. Sometimes such women are even sexually abused and beaten.
Originally posted by SteveR
Originally posted by halfoldman
The changes you describe are due to the spread of the Islamic faith in sub-saharan Africa. Expect these changes to intensify over the next few years.
Regionally and largely yes.
However here in South Africa the Zulu taxi-drivers who harrass women for tight pants and miniskirts are not Muslim.
The spread of Christian fundamentalism plays a big role.
There is also a notion that Westerners find nudity pornographic, and there is now a ban on western photographers at the annual reed dances in Swaziland and Zululand (where thousands of virgins parade before the kings virtually naked).
I think a lot of colonial photography bordered on erotica, and now cultures have been told by religious people to be ashamed and wary of that.
It is also true that in SA women have Affirmative Action programs to uplift them specifically, and this is turning men nasty, bitter and prompts them to re-invent ways to police women and keep them in their "place".
I think if Obama came here and his wife went topless it would really please and impress the local cultures.
At least for social respect any new male Prez would have to be circumcized though.
[edit on 11-12-2009 by halfoldman]
Originally posted by halfoldman
Originally posted by heyo
Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.
..Not sure, but I think an open-minded attitude towards nudism would put us at odds even more than ever with deeply religious cultures outside of europe. Not that I really give two _____ what they want/think about who we elect, but in practicality I don't think the overall reaction would be positive.
[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]
Well, I won't say all non-European cultures would object. I suppose Muslims could still cover their faces and be nudist-fashionable? Well, who cares, the cultures (or groups) that hate the West already do so in any case?
Islam and fundamentalist Christianity seem to compete for souls and laws in parts of Africa that were still fairly tribal within living memory. Yet, both systems result in misogyny. "Dress" suddenly is a huge issue to control women - so the West should ultimately take sides against religious extremism and elect a nude leader. Nobody should be forced to go nude, but it could send a message of support to friendly nations and peoples, who don't align themselves with exported extremism from any source.
Originally posted by MR BOB
how bout clinton
Originally posted by heyo
Well if this scenario was real I'd move down to the united states myself and vote for Sara Palin.
[edit on 11-12-2009 by heyo]