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Proof NASA Is Trying To Cover Up The Source Of The Norway Spiral!

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posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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reply to post by PhotonEffect
 


Star for presenting the proper evidence...

a very tangible doubt is now in the minds of the public jury,
that this event in 2009 is a worm-hole or aliens or a ultra-uber magnetic propulsion rocket engine or any of the other nonsense that's being regurgitated on many of these ATS threads and in Other Forums




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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I don't know, but if you look at the video you can also see that it seems the source of that spiral comes from behind the mountains, and not from outer space.

What looks strange is the light that is in the form of a spiral coming form what seems to be the source behind the mountains and towards the image of a spiral. Obviously there was some fog, and clouds that day. I don't think it was a rocket, but who knows?

It could be someone making a prank, or some black op trying to show people "the signs in the sky". Remember that there are many people who believe that there will be signs in the sky and a messiah will come, etc.

Also remember that for example, the "maitreya" (sp) is/was supposed to make signs in the sky to show to the world his appearance. He is also supposed to appear on tv around the world.

Be careful because imo this man could be the one that the Socialist elites want to present as "the saviour" for their One World Government, One World Religion, and One World Economy.



[edit on 12-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Pretty interesting, ill definitely have to look into this a little more deeply when I have the time.
Right now, im late for a raid in WoW



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Yes, it looks more like an huge flashlight rather than a rocket.
You see the spinning has the same rotation speed at the center as it have futher out..
If it was a smoke trail from a spinning rocket, the spiral would be at the same place, and NOT move in the same circular motion as the center..

Unless my eyes are playing with me ..


And it does seem to have that yellow 'trail' towards the horizon as shown in some of the other pictures here..

[edit on 12/12/2009 by ChemBreather]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Whoa! What is that!?

Any translations for what is being said?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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It was not a "misfire". All we know is that the Russians said there was a failure of the third stage of the missile. We do not know what the failure mode was.

BTW, what SOHO images are supposed to be unavailable?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Anyone know if they have been trying to power up the hedron collider this week??



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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I just don't believe that a craft in space randomly leaking stuff creates a perfect spiral. Why would it? Why not just shoot of in the opposite direction of the leak?


Well I think something leaking in space, that was also rotating would create this effect. I just don't know if we would be able to see it.

What I was posting about is a re-entry technology that is using a superconducting electromagnetic field to protect the rocket when it comes back into the atmosphere. If the rocket AND this technology were both spinning when it hit the atmosphere, we WOULD see it for sure.

This would explain the pristine nature of the spiral, because it is then not something particular that is 'leaked'. It is an electromagnetic organization/disturbance of the atmosphere itself, instead of a material that is subject to atmospheric disturbance - which would probably make it look much less perfect and spectacular.

If it is an electromagnetic re-entry technology, then this is what the phenomenon would have arisen from. And electromagnetic waves do not get disturbed the same way a 'leak of particles' or 'smoke trail' would.

I do not agree with the several comparison videos that show a rocket spiraling out of control. They show SMOKE making the spiral. We have no evidence that the large spiral above norway was SMOKE. I suggest that it was the atmosphere itself we are seeing - distorted because of the re-entry technology.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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If it was a rocket how come no one has found debris from it?

It didn't show it exploding in the sky so the missile had to of landed on something.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by Nocturnalfear]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Phage, what say you on the theory that the spiral was created by an electromagnetic re-entry device? Was the rocket ever out of the atmosphere? Was it coming back in when the phenomenon was witnessed?


Space boffins have hatched a plan to test their radical new superconductor magnet forcefield re-entry heatshield technology by firing it into space from a Russian submarine.

The proposed test module would use a magnetic field generated by superconducting magnets to deflect the superhot plasma which results when a spacecraft re-enters Earth's atmosphere at the tremendously high speeds required by space missions. Normally the heat is resistant by super-tough but troublesome insulating materials, as in the space shuttle, or by one-shot ablative coatings which burn off as a spacecraft descends.

Here



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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The missile undoubtedly left the atmosphere. But being a ballistic missile it would not reenter at anywhere near the velocity requiring such a system and I would think that the actual reentry would be much farther downrange. We know what missile was being tested, a missile designed to carry multiple nuclear warheads.

Using a magnetic heat shield for space vehicle reentry is a project of EADS and DLR. The current plan is to test the system on a Russian Volna missile but that is pretty far down the road.

Detlev Konigorski of EADS Astrim, speaking in Manchester last month at the 2009 European air and space conference, said he expected the test to take place three years after it is approved, and that should be some time in the next decade.

www.physorg.com...

I suppose the Russians could already be working on such a project but I don't really see the point myself. Then there's the fact that Russia's economic status is pretty dreadful right now and they have other things to work on (like getting this missile to work properly).



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Hi Phage,
There was a shortage of new images for a day or so, but they are current now. Must look up the archive in between if there is one. I must say that Russian military has not directly made the correlation between their rocket and "The Spiral" in their statement, all the MSM got the same statement, but the Daily Tec seems to have added to the statement with assumptions. It is most likely the Russian rocket, but then, that's me assuming. Great still picture of a lifetime though, a perfect to the eye spiral plus a spiral trail, from a machine gone wrong!



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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So what do you think is responsible for the spread on the spiral? Is it just particles coming out of the front of the rocket as this video suggests? Is it outside of the atmosphere, or inside the atmosphere when the grey spiral is seen?


I mean, lets just pretend for a moment that the Russians might have a little better technology than they are letting on. I'm just trying to figure out why this 'rocket' would be creating two separate trails.

What do you think this new technology would look like upon re-entry? I think it would light up the atmosphere and create a spiraling effect very similar to what we see over Norway. This would be coming from the FRONT of the rocket, as the article I linked to suggests. Therefore the magnetic re-entry tech. would be responsible for the large grey spiral, while the blue is fuel or whatever.

Also, this technology could explain the pristine nature of the grey spiral.

To me, this seems like a better answer than just the conventional rocket.

Little bit of conspiracy, little bit of truth.

The russians can say its a rocket, and not lie.

edit: I guess I didn't really think about fuel leaking from the side, but then if it is fuel - is un-burnt fuel the grey, and the spent fuel blue?


[edit on 12-12-2009 by beebs]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
What is your take in this ?


This is not proof of NASA trying to cover-up the spiral. This claims is quite easy to debunk.

First, the time stamp on the SOHO video is from December 4, 2009. The Norway Spiral incident took place on the morning of December 9.

Second, the author of the video claims the spiral can be seen in the SOHO footage. However, it is clear from the video this supposed spiral in the SOHO video is the remains of a solar flare.

Third, it would have been impossible for the SOHO to see the Norway Spiral. SOHO is near the L1 point between the Earth and the Sun, it's camera is aimed towards the Sun. The Norway Spiral incident took place in the early morning, when that part of the Earth was oriented away from the Sun.

And while Russia has not admitted their missile was responsible for the phenomenon, they do admit to firing an ICBM that morning, announcing that the Bulava suffered its eighth failure in twelve tests. And if you watch the video Chembreather posted it looks like a rocket spiraling out of control.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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I think the simulation gives a good representation of how the effect could be produced.

I see no particular reason for a magnetic heat shield tocreate a spiral. The superconducting magnet simple deflects plasma. It creates a magnetic "bubble" in front of the vehicle. It's not really a dynamic effect. I don't think the outside appearance would be any different from that of an ablative heat shield.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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The guy filming the spiral said on the news that it started as a tiny dot and grew outwards, and the Military had no clue what it was, they said so too, the Media man said : So we can say it was a rocket then ? , the military dude said: Yes you can, but that is not our statement, we dont know what it is..

They would have know if it was a rocket at that time,launching a missile over another contry with asking for permission first isnt good for 'Peace' .



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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I strongly doubt that rocket was over Norway. Not that I'm any rocket expert, but wouldnt it make some noise? Norway is quite slim around Tromsø, so the rocket would have to have been pretty close if it was over Norway, and I didnt hear a thing.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Gromle
I strongly doubt that rocket was over Norway. Not that I'm any rocket expert, but wouldnt it make some noise? Norway is quite slim around Tromsø, so the rocket would have to have been pretty close if it was over Norway, and I didnt hear a thing.


Light travels faster and further than sound. You can see something from a great distance and never hear any noise it makes. For instance, do you hear every plane that flies over your home?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Thats exactly my point! If this rocket was that high, it had to have been far away because it was so low horizon. If it was over Norwegian soil, it couldnt have been up in the outher atmosphere.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Im down in Oslo, so I didnt see it my self, there is no sound as I can hear on the vid..

The spiral is at the same spot, one would think the so called rocked moved in an uncontrolled manner like any other woopsy rockets taking the tilt !!

I think the rocket theory is a coverstory, the fact that it took so many hours for any one to say it was a rocket alone is enough for me to not to accept the Rocket theory...



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