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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:06 AM
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Much Of Upper Midwest Gets Slammed With Snow


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The first major winter snowstorm of the season made life miserable throughout much of the Upper Midwest and the governor of Wisconsin has already declared a state of emergency.

Five deaths are reported and hundreds of flights canceled, as the same storm that clobbered us is now moving north and towards the East Coast.

Problems were mounting at the airports in Chicago. Weather on the East Coast and de-icing of planes have caused more than 200 cancellations at O'Hare International Airport and delays of more than 45 minutes on average for all flights as of 10:30 a.m., according to the city
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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:06 AM
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The State of Wisconsin is pretty much shut down!

"But in Wisconsin, the situation was far worse. The snow slammed the state so severely that Gov. Jim Doyle declared a preemptive state of emergency."

Iowa and Nebraska are also hard hit!

Des Moines, Iowa, is forecasting a total of 13 to 16 inches of snow by the time the storm passes, followed by air temperatures of minus 5, KCCI-TV reported.

Farther west in Omaha, snow was expected to total 8 to 12 inches, and snow plows were struggling to keep up. One private snow plow hit and killed a 28-year-old woman as snow fell across Nebraska's largest city.

The biggest snowfall for several decades and the climate summit declaring global warming happening together! Sweet!



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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:11 AM
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"Ice was the problem Tuesday morning in Oklahoma, where Interstate 40 was closed for about 25 miles between Clinton and Elk City, leaving truckers to wait out the storm. Mitch Dodson, a trucker hauling soda pop out of Durango, Colo., to Virginia, was waylaid at the Travel America plaza near the town of Sayre in western Oklahoma."

"It's just a sheet of ice from Amarillo to here," Dodson said. "It's a disaster."






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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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Algore and ipcc should have to pay for lost wages and sales dring this.

Lol, global warming, and the biggest sham.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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Damn the climate is getting wacky...it's changing in front of peoples eyes and they still deny it... this was predicted many times ....climate change.

OP are you aware that Global Warming theories have predicted many major changes in weather patterns all around the globe? That means extreme hot, and extreme cold areas, and abnormal weather. That is why it was originaly called "Climate Change" but people simplified it to "Global Warming" because that is the end game.

The Earth's weather is like a pendulum, swinging back and forth, hot and cold. Some day it will get stuck on the hot, because it will turn all the water into a gas, and other reasons.

Only ignorant people will go outside and say, "hey it cold now, global warming is fake"... or "hey its hot now, global warming is real".... that's not how it works. There is a science behind it... the science of the atmosphere and how it works. You should read about it.

Some day, Earth will turn out like the Moon, or Venus, or Mars, if humans aren't carefull.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:31 AM
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Yeah! DAMN YOU AL GORE!

I thought the Earth was getting warmer? I pay an arm and a leg for a cubicle in SoCal for a reason. Usually I can walk around in a t shirt and shorts during the winter, ITS 38 DEGREES WTF?



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:36 AM
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You do realize the Earth is always getting warmer and colder right?

ITS CALLED THE SEASONS

You dont need some fancy slide show, showing the ice caps melting to make people understand the weather on this planet is always in a state of flux. Well maybe you do, the ignorant people need pictures. Lets remember that this planet was tropical in areas that are now barren wastelands. The earth heated up at one point long ago, then went into an ice age. Then rinsed and repeated. We can all learn something from history. People keep trying to stop animals from going extinct, from the climate changing. DO YOU REALIZE THESE THINGS HAPPENED BEFORE US, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE AFTER US??!! Do whatever you think people will applaud you for. Drive a Prius. One day the Polar Bears will die off anyways, regardless of your MPG



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Damn the climate is getting wacky...it's changing in front of peoples eyes and they still deny it... this was predicted many times ....climate change.

The Earth's weather is like a pendulum, swinging back and forth, hot and cold. Some day it will get stuck on the hot, because it will turn all the water into a gas, and other reasons.


England swing like a pendulum do...
...Bobbies on bicycles, two by two...



Only ignorant people will go outside and say, "hey it cold now, global warming is fake"... or "hey its hot now, global warming is real".... that's not how it works. There is a science behind it... the science of the atmosphere and how it works. You should read about it.


Read waht? Statements made by a bunch of over paid brains with nothing better to do than lick their masters boots by giving them data formed in the shape they paid to get. You need to start thinking and projecting yourself into the situation of the super rich. Do some "what if's"...

What if... Cap & Tax passes (or the EPA starts to regulate CO²). Now they have a way to tax CO² emissions. ONLY on big corporations though! OMG Evil corporations. They will just pass the increases onto us.

But wait there's more. Over the years as big corps. get in line and reduce their CO² the PTB realize they aren't getting the hefty returns and pass a bill to check CO² emissions from personal items. NOW, they can regulate and tax the crap out of everything that you do... Many years from now they'll determine that static electricity is considered hazardous to human health AND you are generating your own power and that is felonious. You will be detained and charged. Pun intended.

That's just a foot in the door maneuver just like Healthcare. They must do it NOW! WTF? Really? Has government ever lied about anything?

Scientists are NOT in agreement. There's enough doubt yet again in this case to warrant a stop and reconsideration.

BTW I haven't seen anyone out there really making a case. Al Gore has lost all of his credibility and they need a new spokesman.



Some day, Earth will turn out like the Moon, or Venus, or Mars, if humans aren't carefull.


LOL at that point it won't matter anymore. The consolation of We The People that were forming a more perfect union, can rest in peace knowing that the Elite will be extinct as well.

I don't hate rich people, only the behavior of the few that disrespect those who put them there. If they used their God like riches to embrace humanity as they should, since, as we all know, they will do what ever they want to change our lives (invariably for the worst) and their incalculable benefits.

BTW : It was a nice snow storm. And yes we laugh uncontrollably at Al Gore and his global warming and all those that are SETTING AN EXAMPLE FOR US IN HOPENHĀGEN.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
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You do realize the Earth is always getting warmer and colder right?

ITS CALLED THE SEASONS



Scientists like myself already know about the seasons and what causes it... it's caused by the rotation of Earth around the Sun, and it's tilted axis.

We already know EXACTLY how that effects the weather. We also know the rotation and Earths tilt hasn't changed much in many years, yet the climate has changed MORE. So it is scientificaly proven that the climate change isn't caused just by the changing seasons, or changes in the planets rotation and tilt.



Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
You dont need some fancy slide show, showing the ice caps melting to make people understand the weather on this planet is always in a state of flux. Well maybe you do, the ignorant people need pictures.


Scientists and myself already know the Earth is in a constant state of flux... they just want to know exactly WHY.

We already know seasons are ONE reason but that only accounts for PART of Earth's climate fluxation. If it was just the seasons, then it would be the same climate over and over and would hardly ever change. It is much more complicated than just that.

Scientists have already mapped and studied the flow of air and the thermodynamics of Earth. Earth has complex weather patterns that also acount for fluxation, but there is still MORE... what causes the weather patterns?

They have already PROVEN that OUR ATMOSPHERE is a MAJOR variable in climate fluxuations. It's a MAJOR variable on ALL planets. The atmopshere IS the climate, it is the main cause of all weather.

Changes in the atmosphere effects the climate. Period. Humans are effecting the atmosphere. Period.

Fancy slide shows and pictures are for ignorant people. Scientists make them for ignorant people so they don't have to get technical and explain every detail to them. Graphs are just for easy reading of detailed measurments.

It's not about data collection, or graphs, or pictures, or any of that, it is about experimental and mathematical calulations and logic. The measurements that are used to create graphs are just the supporting evidence for the calulations and logic created from experiments.

Experiments you can do in your home prove that our atmopshere acts like a giant greenhouse, and that is what keeps Earth warm. Observations of other planets and moons show that without the atmopshere, or certain chemicals in the atmopshere, the climate on said planet or moon is drastically different than Earth.

It is proven that if Earth didn't have an atmopshere, Earth would freeze. If Earth didn't have any greenhouse gases, Earth would freeze. So what is the opposite of that? Having an abundance of greenhouse gases? Take a wild guess... warming...... it's scientific LOGIC.



Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
Lets remember that this planet was tropical in areas that are now barren wastelands. The earth heated up at one point long ago, then went into an ice age. Then rinsed and repeated. We can all learn something from history.


...we all know the Earth had some hot and cold days in the past, but they all had reasons for it. Scientists don't just look at history and say "oh well it happened before so its normal, nothing to worry about"... no, thats what simpltons say. Scientists are not simpletons, and they want to know EXACTLY what caused it. They aren't as simple minded as you..

Why was it warm in the past? A hotter more active Sun? I thicker atmosphere with more greenhouse gases? Less cloud cover? Warmer oceans? There is 1000 reasons...

Why was it colder in the past? A less active Sun? A thinner atmosphere? Less greehouse gases? More cloud cover? Colder oceans? There is 1000 more reasons...

Nobody knows exactly what happened in the past. We do know some things like there was more CO2 in the atmopshere in the past, but there was a colder Sun. We know the Sun's temperature increased over the years, and the CO2 levels dropped.....

But why? Well, plants and oceans absorb CO2. Maybe there was a lot of volcano erruptions and that created CO2, and then the volcanos stopped just enough for the CO2 to be cleaned from the air by plants and water.... Those are all theories... to say it was just natural and Earth does it all the time is a wrong statement, because YOU DON'T KNOW.

How do you know that a meteor didn't crash into Earth and set forests on fire which created massive amounts of CO2 and heated Earth? You don't..... all you know is that there was lots of CO2 in the past, you don't know what caused it.

How do you know a giant meteor didn't cause the Ice Age? A giant meteor hit's Earth and causes dust and other particles to cover large sections of Earth and block it from the Sun, causing extreme cooling?......

I can go on and on....

Right now... we know that our CO2 production from our machines, our cars, power planets, deforestation, etc... can effect the greenhouse effect on Earth.


Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
People keep trying to stop animals from going extinct, from the climate changing. DO YOU REALIZE THESE THINGS HAPPENED BEFORE US, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE AFTER US??!!


People don't want to be the CAUSE. They don't want to be the reason for it. It is irrelevant that is happened before, and or will happen after by other forces for other reasons.... humans just don't want to be the reason.

Humans also are probably the first species on Earth capable of preventing it's own extinction... Do you want to just give up? Go for it, that is natural selection at work. Some people want to keep the human race alive....and other species while we are at it..

Did you know that humans depend on other species? Like if honey bees go extinct... humans could too? Or if fish go extinct because of acidic water... many humans will starve? It's not as simple as you want to think.



Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
Do whatever you think people will applaud you for. Drive a Prius. One day the Polar Bears will die off anyways, regardless of your MPG


Or we could do what you want to do... continue the path we are on... poison the atmopshere and water. Kill of animals we depend on... ruin the planet, and potentialy kill our childrens children (offspring).

You are hopeless. I'm 100% sure natural selection will get rid of you first.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
Read waht?


Read a science book. You know those books written by many different people who have been experimenting with and observing phyiscal reality?

Yes, it turns out a long time ago, like 150+ years ago, a few scientists discovered that different wavelenths of light can and can't pass through different types of substances.

They also found out that is how Earth's atmopshere works. It lets a certain wavelength in, and when the wavelength is changed after reflecting off of Earth, it can't get out. It's called the greenhouse effect. Human's wouldn't exist without it.

Yes, it's proven science.

We already know all the substances that create a greenhouse effect and CO2 is one of them. Funny thing is, humans have been drastically increasing the amount of CO2 created on Earth.

After observing conditions on other planets, we have proven that changes in the atmosphere and greenhouse effect cause changes in the climate! Wwwwooooowwwww!

So climate change is real? YES! Global warming? YES, if we don't stop making so much CO2! Breathing is fine, but making billions of tons a year from machines is not.

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Cap and Trade?.... Sure there is room for crooks and liars to play, and abuse... but they already talked about making laws that ban corporations from passing the tax to others.

So many people seem to be against Cap and Trade that it seems to be very effective and it hasn't even started. People are crying and complaining that they will have to spend more money.... to me that is a sign that those same people will be reducing their emissions to pay less.

You are the same people who cry and complain when you have to pay a parking ticket. Those same people go out of their way to not get another one....

I am against Cap and Trade, I don't agree with it.... but that doesn't mean I am going to ignore all the science behind our atmosphere, and physics, and obvious common sense and logic behind our pollution.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Damn the climate is getting wacky...it's changing in front of peoples eyes and they still deny it... this was predicted many times ....climate change.

OP are you aware that Global Warming theories have predicted many major changes in weather patterns all around the globe? That means extreme hot, and extreme cold areas, and abnormal weather. That is why it was originaly called "Climate Change" but people simplified it to "Global Warming" because that is the end game.

The Earth's weather is like a pendulum, swinging back and forth, hot and cold. Some day it will get stuck on the hot, because it will turn all the water into a gas, and other reasons.

Only ignorant people will go outside and say, "hey it cold now, global warming is fake"... or "hey its hot now, global warming is real".... that's not how it works. There is a science behind it... the science of the atmosphere and how it works. You should read about it.

Some day, Earth will turn out like the Moon, or Venus, or Mars, if humans aren't carefull.



wow, its cold and snow in Wisconsin in December..

wake me when the real strange weather starts



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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I am against Cap and Trade, I don't agree with it.... but that doesn't mean I am going to ignore all the science behind our atmosphere, and physics, and obvious common sense and logic behind our pollution.
reply to post by ALLis0NE
 


No one is saying we ignore all the evidence, a lot of people are saying take another look at the evidence from a non biased viewpoint. The question at this point is who is unbiased? Pretty much everyone has taken a stand already.

But before we commit this country to endless taxs and CO2 penalties I think it is only reasonable to have a moratorium on action and reevaluate where we are scientifically!

I see this scientific concensis as having been established by pro AGW scientists and whenever a scientist with opposing viewpoint comes along they are marginalized.

Centrainly Congressional and political action on Cap and Trade and EPA has been partisan, no opposing viewpoints accepted, closed door sessions, no puplic input before voting, etc.

I find the outrage about GW to be quite natural and understandable under the circumstances, don't you?



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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In a way, those that are pro MMGW/MMCC can't lose.

You get cold weather, they say yeah - but the global average is rising. You will get colder areas as a result, then baffle you with BS.

The global temperatures drop for 15 years and they say "yes, but 15 years is insignificant natural variability, it's the long term average that counts".

You then point to the charts and data that show this cyclic nature of warming/cooling, and they that current warming is faster than the past and is entirely man-made.

All the while this is going on they fail to do one thing - SHOW ANY DATA THAT BACKS THEIR THEORIES.

I've started to get the allegedly raw data from the Met Office in the UK, and I've already discovered that 1996-2005 was the coolest decade in the last ten years (slightly below the average), and that the period of fall-off from warming is longer than any other period in the data (59 years).

Meanwhile, CO2 has been rising consistently since 1958.

Another point COMPLETELY ignored is this:

1998 was the hottest year on record. The sunspot activity was at its highest for over 300 years, and the most active year on record.

2007 was the coldest year on record. The sunspot activity was nearly at an all-time low. This year saw the lowest amount of sunspot activity recorded.

[edit on 10-12-2009 by mirageofdeceit]




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