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We are all want to be murders and rapist:

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posted on May, 4 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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I never said you did want to be a murderer. Neither do I. I was merely stating we're all capable of it

-Kyo




posted on May, 4 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Without even reading this thread (only reading the OP):

No I would not rape someone just because the law said it was okay. I say that unequivocally and unqualified. Maybe you would. I would not.

Murdering someone is a different story. Its all in your point of view. If you cosider murder to be any kind of killing regardless of reason, then yes I may be inclined to murder someone (for example someone that raped a family member or friend of mine). But I would actually murder someone that raped or murdered someone close to me regardless of the law.

Your point is rendered moot in my case. I'm sure you'll find plenty of murderers and rapists to agree with you though. Hope it makes you feel better when you do.


 
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posted on May, 4 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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It is true that everyone has this desire to defy the laws of man and God. I am not stopped by fear of punishment, but many are. I am stopped by something else, I think it is God.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by IAmD1
 


I never said you did want to be a murderer. Neither do I. I was merely stating we're all capable of it

-Kyo


Ok but the OP is stating that 'we are all want to be murderer and rapist' and i took your post to say that those that claim they are not are merely denying that they are human


So sorry for missinterpreting that. I am not sure all are capable....speaking for my self I am on the fence about that. Like i said you never know what circumstance does to you until you are there....I hope I never will have to try the theory



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by dbloch7986
Without even reading this thread (only reading the OP):

No I would not rape someone just because the law said it was okay. I say that unequivocally and unqualified. Maybe you would. I would not.

Murdering someone is a different story. Its all in your point of view. If you consider murder to be any kind of killing regardless of reason, then yes I may be inclined to murder someone (for example someone that raped a family member or friend of mine). But I would actually murder someone that raped or murdered someone close to me regardless of the law.

Your point is rendered moot in my case. I'm sure you'll find plenty of murderers and rapists to agree with you though. Hope it makes you feel better when you do.


Why is it that people have no problem admitting they might murder if the law allows, but they would never rape under any circumstances. It's like rape is seen as the most heinous crime imaginable, while murder is somewhat acceptable in certain situations.

Anyone care to explain why ending the life of somebody you don't like is not as bad as forcing sexual intercourse onto somebody against their will? (For the record, I am opposed to both but just curious why one is a "under no circumstances!" and the other is a "if I felt it was justified and I could get away with it"."

PS: We all have the capacity to commit evil. It is the decisions we make and actions we take that determine whether we are good or not. (Some would argue it is the actions we don't take that also determine this, but that is another issue altogether.)

[edit on 5/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 11:06 PM
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What's a torcher? Do you mean torture? Either way...you do what you want I guess. But stay as far away from me and my family as possible! And I'm guessing english must not be your first language, so thank goodness you're in another country and far far far away from me. Maybe that's the way thing are in your country but not in my neck of the woods. Whew....dodged a bullet on that one.


 
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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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pssh...oh please...I could misinterpret a hello :-p

So no don't worry...yes I think the capability of horrific acts lives in all of us. A shining and rather famous example is the Stanford Experiment.

Stanford Prison Experiment

In summary, back in 1971 Stanford University selected candidates to play in a mock prison. Some candidates were 'prisoners' and some candidates were 'guards.' The whole thing fell apart when the guards started to become verbally and physically abusive.

Bear in mind I am not ignoring other conclusions, merely poiting out those that are relevant to thia thread. To me this shows the capability of humanity to become inhumane and rather quickly at that. I have to wonder if the experiment had stayed the course for the original timeline or longer would a more dreadful acute incident have taken place?

Clearly not all the guards began to show such sadistic tendencies so to me it goes right back to the stress-diathesis model. Some of those guards may have had a previously higher inclination towards violence and humiliation and the stress (the terrible conditions approached in the experiment) brought that out quickly.

Capability...it's a hell of a thing because IMO it exists in all of us

EDIT: Fixed url tag....apparently my predisposition for messing up tags is VERY high...thus it takes little stress to do so...SMILE! psych joke!

yeah...that was stupid :-p

-Kyo

[edit on 5-5-2010 by KyoZero]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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The first thing a person thinks when they see another person die is always "Im glad that was not me". I know this sounds horrible, but it is true. Many have to deal with the guilt of thinking this. This is universally known to phsychologists. Even when someone you would die for is killed, this thought is first in every human. Our brains operate on a primitive level before our cognitive process tells us what is right and what is wrong. You have to be a deep thinker to examine this phenominon.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Because (for whatever reason) I have an extremely developed sense of empathy, I really suspect it would be virtually impossible for me to act on such impulses (or even want to) even in the event that there were no laws or fear of punishment precluding such acts.

The thought of inflicting bodily harm on another human being (even in self defense usually) is anathema to me. Of course, that probably means I'm less likely to survive in a harsher environment than those who feel differently, so perhaps I'm recessive and will be pruned by evolution in time lol.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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We are not all like Cain.
I say it as a joke but when given the opportunity I shy away from killing anything. It isn't because I am afraid of them.
Would you even want to live in a world where slaughter and rape was the way?

The popularity of video games replicating this state of existence tells me, Yes.
Some others would happily live in this world if they could.

Makes me ask.... Who are these people? If my choice were to be like them or die, I would opt to self destruct without a second thought.

This "rape and murder" option and other "less than human-worse than animal" enterprises that indeed thrive today (dog fighting videos are legal?) still drive me to the Bible where I ask God again, WHO WAS THIS "first born" of yours and why was he called "a murderer from the start?" How can Cain be at once, son of Adam and Eve, themselves created in the image of God - and "son of the evil one"

A lot fit's into place if you accept Cain is the alien.









[edit on 5-5-2010 by rusethorcain]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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I like your post, games of violence is said to be used as and out for people to keep them away from doing it for real, this sounds good until you realize that video games were first invent by the services to weaken our humanity feelings, in Vietnam most first timers either could not or hesitated before pulling the trigger. So the military made video games, first hand shooting type in order so the mind when faced with the actual event would be quicker to pull the trigger, it worked and the following conflicts hesitation and those whom out rite refused to pull the trigger dropped to next to nothing, so you see when once a person of normal mind set that has not been introduced to violence be it television or a video game would walk away or have a second thought before hand, now even the very cartoons our kids watch are full of violence so when faced in real life situation they respond instead of thinking of the consequence and walking away or just having the hesitation before hand. Now when facing down evil hesitation could cost you your life, but it’s a double edge sword, if the person wasn’t so weaken by all the surrounding violence he might not have become violent himself. So on one hand it helps our service men and women to survive on the other it turns the untrained person towards violence.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Now that I have a bit of a hard time with. It is true that a video game would fit into the stress-diathesis model and that is fine so long as we don't start blaming video games for murders...that's when it gets fishy to me

I say a person who plays GTA and then rapes a woman is a rapist...not a victim of imagery

IMO of course

-Kyo



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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I concur.

I play "violent" video games (which in my opinion is actually an oxymoron, but that's another story.) I have no violent impulses, uncontrolled anger issues, or tendencies toward violence whatsoever. Nor do I vent some sort of repressed urge for violence through videogames. I do not pretend that the pixels and polygons I'm removing from my television screen are real people being killed at my hand.

To me, playing videogames feels exactly like what playing cops and robbers felt like as a child on my school's playground. It's pretend. We know no one is being hurt. If it were real, I would be repulsed, not to mention terrified.

While my case may not be universal, I have to say that at least based on my own personal experiences, it's at least possible that people playing videogames and pretending that they're really killing people as some sort of simulated outlet for violent aggression, have something already amiss psychologically.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Oh I agree 100 percent, was just giving background on the video games as use by the service in the name of support to better train the troops, I have no problem with the military using these techniques but once released to the public it did help to escalade the problem that’s all I am saying. And no nothing should be used as and excuse for violence, even when the person committing the violence has a good reason to do so. And in these cases we have lesser punishment and mental institutions to handle them.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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Yes they may not be in the normal mindset but let me give you another scenario, and escalation if you will. We have always through out history had to deal with sex, be it prostitution or pornography of some sort, today we have xxx on every corner, the internet filling anyone with images, and increase in sex clubs like pony play, and the list goes on and on, normal people start with little things like bondage and gets bigger and bigger till it become the only way a person can become excited to orgasm and from there it is a small jump to rape, or accidental homicide in the course of a consensual sex act that simple got out of hand. It all starts with the smallest of seeds and then begins to grow. I hope you can feel were I am coming from it takes just the slightest little nudge in a direction most will stop long before the seed takes root, but some will not. Point is if the seed was never planted to begin with, would we have the crime we today?



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
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To me, playing videogames feels exactly like what playing cops and robbers felt like as a child on my school's playground. It's pretend. We know no one is being hurt. If it were real, I would be repulsed, not to mention terrified.


Holy crap...can I used this quote some day? What a perfect summary. You said it SO much better than I could and in a couple sentences. Yeah nobody cared when we play cops and robbers and I shot a cop.

Although I bet some watchdog group somewhere is telling a child NO while play cowboys and indians because they shouldn't simulate death.

-Kyo



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