We are all want to be murders and rapist:, page 8

reply to post by IAmD1

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I never said you did want to be a murderer. Neither do I. I was merely stating we're all capable of it

-Kyo

Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by IAmD1

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I never said you did want to be a murderer. Neither do I. I was merely stating we're all capable of it

-Kyo

Ok but the OP is stating that 'we are all want to be murderer and rapist' and i took your post to say that those that claim they are not are merely denying that they are human

So sorry for missinterpreting that. I am not sure all are capable....speaking for my self I am on the fence about that. Like i said you never know what circumstance does to you until you are there....I hope I never will have to try the theory

reply to post by IAmD1

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pssh...oh please...I could misinterpret a hello :-p

So no don't worry...yes I think the capability of horrific acts lives in all of us. A shining and rather famous example is the Stanford Experiment.

Stanford Prison Experiment

In summary, back in 1971 Stanford University selected candidates to play in a mock prison. Some candidates were 'prisoners' and some candidates were 'guards.' The whole thing fell apart when the guards started to become verbally and physically abusive.

Bear in mind I am not ignoring other conclusions, merely poiting out those that are relevant to thia thread. To me this shows the capability of humanity to become inhumane and rather quickly at that. I have to wonder if the experiment had stayed the course for the original timeline or longer would a more dreadful acute incident have taken place?

Clearly not all the guards began to show such sadistic tendencies so to me it goes right back to the stress-diathesis model. Some of those guards may have had a previously higher inclination towards violence and humiliation and the stress (the terrible conditions approached in the experiment) brought that out quickly.

Capability...it's a hell of a thing because IMO it exists in all of us

EDIT: Fixed url tag....apparently my predisposition for messing up tags is VERY high...thus it takes little stress to do so...SMILE! psych joke!

yeah...that was stupid :-p

-Kyo

[edit on 5-5-2010 by KyoZero]

reply to post by drmeola

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We are not all like Cain.
I say it as a joke but when given the opportunity I shy away from killing anything. It isn't because I am afraid of them.
Would you even want to live in a world where slaughter and rape was the way?

The popularity of video games replicating this state of existence tells me, Yes.
Some others would happily live in this world if they could.

Makes me ask.... Who are these people? If my choice were to be like them or die, I would opt to self destruct without a second thought.

This "rape and murder" option and other "less than human-worse than animal" enterprises that indeed thrive today (dog fighting videos are legal?) still drive me to the Bible where I ask God again, WHO WAS THIS "first born" of yours and why was he called "a murderer from the start?" How can Cain be at once, son of Adam and Eve, themselves created in the image of God - and "son of the evil one"

A lot fit's into place if you accept Cain is the alien.









[edit on 5-5-2010 by rusethorcain]

reply to post by rusethorcain

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I like your post, games of violence is said to be used as and out for people to keep them away from doing it for real, this sounds good until you realize that video games were first invent by the services to weaken our humanity feelings, in Vietnam most first timers either could not or hesitated before pulling the trigger. So the military made video games, first hand shooting type in order so the mind when faced with the actual event would be quicker to pull the trigger, it worked and the following conflicts hesitation and those whom out rite refused to pull the trigger dropped to next to nothing, so you see when once a person of normal mind set that has not been introduced to violence be it television or a video game would walk away or have a second thought before hand, now even the very cartoons our kids watch are full of violence so when faced in real life situation they respond instead of thinking of the consequence and walking away or just having the hesitation before hand. Now when facing down evil hesitation could cost you your life, but it’s a double edge sword, if the person wasn’t so weaken by all the surrounding violence he might not have become violent himself. So on one hand it helps our service men and women to survive on the other it turns the untrained person towards violence.

reply to post by drmeola

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Now that I have a bit of a hard time with. It is true that a video game would fit into the stress-diathesis model and that is fine so long as we don't start blaming video games for murders...that's when it gets fishy to me

I say a person who plays GTA and then rapes a woman is a rapist...not a victim of imagery

IMO of course

-Kyo

reply to post by KyoZero

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I concur.

I play "violent" video games (which in my opinion is actually an oxymoron, but that's another story.) I have no violent impulses, uncontrolled anger issues, or tendencies toward violence whatsoever. Nor do I vent some sort of repressed urge for violence through videogames. I do not pretend that the pixels and polygons I'm removing from my television screen are real people being killed at my hand.

To me, playing videogames feels exactly like what playing cops and robbers felt like as a child on my school's playground. It's pretend. We know no one is being hurt. If it were real, I would be repulsed, not to mention terrified.

While my case may not be universal, I have to say that at least based on my own personal experiences, it's at least possible that people playing videogames and pretending that they're really killing people as some sort of simulated outlet for violent aggression, have something already amiss psychologically.

reply to post by KyoZero

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Oh I agree 100 percent, was just giving background on the video games as use by the service in the name of support to better train the troops, I have no problem with the military using these techniques but once released to the public it did help to escalade the problem that’s all I am saying. And no nothing should be used as and excuse for violence, even when the person committing the violence has a good reason to do so. And in these cases we have lesser punishment and mental institutions to handle them.

reply to post by AceWombat04

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Yes they may not be in the normal mindset but let me give you another scenario, and escalation if you will. We have always through out history had to deal with sex, be it prostitution or pornography of some sort, today we have xxx on every corner, the internet filling anyone with images, and increase in sex clubs like pony play, and the list goes on and on, normal people start with little things like bondage and gets bigger and bigger till it become the only way a person can become excited to orgasm and from there it is a small jump to rape, or accidental homicide in the course of a consensual sex act that simple got out of hand. It all starts with the smallest of seeds and then begins to grow. I hope you can feel were I am coming from it takes just the slightest little nudge in a direction most will stop long before the seed takes root, but some will not. Point is if the seed was never planted to begin with, would we have the crime we today?

Originally posted by AceWombat04
reply to post by KyoZero

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To me, playing videogames feels exactly like what playing cops and robbers felt like as a child on my school's playground. It's pretend. We know no one is being hurt. If it were real, I would be repulsed, not to mention terrified.

Holy crap...can I used this quote some day? What a perfect summary. You said it SO much better than I could and in a couple sentences. Yeah nobody cared when we play cops and robbers and I shot a cop.

Although I bet some watchdog group somewhere is telling a child NO while play cowboys and indians because they shouldn't simulate death.

-Kyo

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