First let me start by saying no I am not nuts lol. Ok maybe a little.

I am starting this thread because in time there will be a point.

Ask yourself how many times have you said “I am going to kill you” to someone? Usually joking.
How many times have you thought to yourself, man I want that, in reference to a hot chick? Or a guy?
And if there was no law against doing so, would you not take advantage of that?
What is your favorite kind of torcher?
Do you watch horror films? And silently think I wonder what that would be like?

See in the moment you can use imagination and have no consequences according to the law.
But cross that line, and act upon, your believe it or not natural instincts to do so. You have broken the law, and people will say how can some one do that? It’s not normal. I say it is, the difference is that person had the guts to act on his or her feelings.

The more we expose ourselves to viewing violence in any form, the more it becomes the norm. And the more we crave it, either in the news or by going and playing soldier. Take for instance in the beginning of the Vietnam War or Conflict what ever you want to call it, most new recruits when first faced with gun fire they froze up and could not pull the trigger in a timely fashion, main reason for this was they have never faced a person silhouette target or a real person period. So the military start to use human silhouette targets, and began inventing first player video games this improved the response of the new recruits immensely saving many soldiers life’s.

To this day the same holds true the market place is full of kill kill kill, blood and gore and we have, one become addicted to it, two starts enacting by playing with your friends fake sword fighting for instance.

This is an outlet for our normal nature that everyone is born with to protect our own. Go ahead and try to mess with a mother and her cubs. As we have become civilized those natural born feelings didn’t go away. So we needed a way to act on them. Be it some people go to a bar fight on Friday night, or slam dancing, just a good ole fist fight is the best feeling in the world and is totally natural.

But as laws change to restrain us from any sort of violence, we have nothing left but video games and or play with the big boys and there guns at war.

The feeling if admitted to ones self after going to war, is conflicted, one minute what a rush I killed ex amount of use any name except people or persons. Two they begin to feel bad about it because society says we should not kill. Grouping is natural; you need to feel safe and to do so means grouping with those of the same mind set. Whether that be in religion, or in war or any place that you exist. When others of not the same thinking joins they either have to come under the pretence of joining in as a part of the whole or they invade with there own personal agendas and this is what leads to hate crimes, terror, and violence period against outsiders.

So in a way I say I have respect for murders and rapist and even child molesters. Do I agree with there ways? No way in hell. Should they all be killed for committing such and act? Yes they should.
But wait that would give me gratification on seeing them punished, cool, but wait again gratification because we killed them. Then are we not in away acting our self in a murderous way.
Or could it be just jealousy that they did what I could only dream of doing?

This thread could go in 100 different directions. And I encourage that. Just trying for a minute to answer the questions posed openly and honestly, being honest with your self if nothing else.

My particular form of preferred torcher would have to be the RACK. It allows total control of the victim and can be use patiently or quickly to bring about what your goal is. So what’s yours?

And please don’t turn this into I am jerk, or nuts or any of that, I am speaking about human nature and its natural needs to protect and to reproduce.
To become a society of one, as in a group. And the problems of and outside invasion, be it from space or from another country or even from the boys club next door who have more members than your tree fort does.

Have fun with the topic and let’s keep it civil.





[edit on 9-12-2009 by drmeola]

Also consider as a release of pent up energy or ambitions all those into bondage, role playing, horse clubs and the list goes on and on and on.
These of course are legal forms of sexual and other energy release mechanisms, and most are satisfied with it, but again it is just another avenue for people to take to nurture there inner nature.

And how many repeat offenders or cereal killers progress, because once they get the taste for blood or dominance over another they cant stop.

I have never ssaid those things, but all people fantasize about those things. It amazes me that people do not understand this.

All males and females, priests monks, all have bad thoughts. It amazes me that people think no one has bad thoughts and if they do, they will act them out.

I just think humans are beyond stupid in the region of thoughts and understanding another.

Not one person can understand anothers thoughts, fact.

this is why thoughts crime does not exist, fact. My life was ruined on this rubbish, but all people think bad things, and it amazes me how many people do not understand, just because you think something, does not mean you want it.

On this topic, people are beyond stup1d, and i should know.

[edit on 12/9/2009 by andy1033]

I think there is a definite line between having those type of thoughts, and the inclination to actually act upon them. Forget law.

Not every person that sees a hot girl and thinks "i want that" means they literraly want to go 'take it'.

I find it scary that people even consider these things to be natural, which is how you are describing them.

We are all want to be murders and rapist:

let’s keep it civil.

Given the sort of folk we are all, I hope so, but do you think it is possible for us?

If it is possible for us to comply with your instruction, then do you suppose that is because the law deters us from acting out our secret urge to be uncivil to you?

Rapist, I can't or never could do it...

Murder someone... now that's a different scenario.

Like the previous poster said, it would have to be something like the rape of my child.

Having said that, there are times when I honestly feel the sociopath come out in me. I have a bad temper and in a parallel universe, I could see myself lurking in the night with an 8" blade.

Hmmm.. interesting indeed.
In my opinion of course, I believe this is all based on limits. But before I jump into that, let me cast my vote.

Rape, i find both horrible and .. well... not sure i can be brutally honest without a few beers in me heh. I might pass this one because I haven't had many stray thoughts on that subject matter.

Murder: this "was" or still is a thing I think about at times. Death is always a thought on our minds sooner or later, be it our own or anothers. I believe it depends on a few factors in this day and age vs. no law. If all of a sudden we were stripped of all governing bodies and no one enforced anything.. we would see a lot of death - from those who are deranged, curious, in self-defense, scarcity in resources, etc... Rape would ensue between those lines of murder.
I am trying to make a point where there is none really.
Short answer : Have I thought about killing someone? Yes... Could I do it? maybe (depends on the situation we are talking about... everyone for themselves survival/self defense vs. now) .. and Would I do it? Probably not, unless I feared for my own life or those around me. But I do believe part of it is how you view this world... how we are raised... it is definitely nurture over nature on that one psychologically I think. We are raised to not do things in fear of punishment or reprisal. We learn not to do things in this manner.
Those who are deemed "cold-blooded" might have a few loose circuits, have orders to, or just don't value life in anyway/curious.

Well.. thats it, for now - I will keep it short ish, but I will defend my opinion because it is Mine . I might prepare to get blasted... lol.. a verbal murder !?!? Oh no.. I just made up a future law that may be punishable! Bloody p/c... hehe

Originally posted by GioTheGreek
Rapist, I can't or never could do it...

Murder someone... now that's a different scenario.

Like the previous poster said, it would have to be something like the rape of my child.

Having said that, there are times when I honestly feel the sociopath come out in me. I have a bad temper and in a parallel universe, I could see myself lurking in the night with an 8" blade.

Nothing about being a sociopath has anything to do with murder, or wanting to commit murder.