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New Undercover Video at Planned Parenthood - 12/09/09

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posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
reply to post by rusethorcain
 


There is an abortion in America every twenty seconds.
4,500 per day, 1.5 million a year, and since 1973, 54 million.

for you pro choice: did these aborted humans have a choice.
for the womens rights: half of the 54 million were female,
what about their rights?


and every 10 seconds an unwanted child is molested by a caretaker or a parent and every hour another is abducted, to be murdered or trafficked. So long as you are so big on statistics go look at the National Missing and Exploited Children reports. This is an epidemic 5000, just this year in FLORIDA ALONE...because there are so many children born to people unprepared, or ill equipped to care for them.




posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by calstorm
reply to post by rusethorcain
 


Christians do not believe that. Way to deny ignorance.


REALLY? Well why don't you just go and tell that to the nuns in the Catholic School I attended for religious instruction? Apparently they do not know all you do.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
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Well im a single father to a 4 yeary old girl whose mother wanted to abort her so whats your point. I wouldnt let her do it, so i got my little Alice to myself now and i wouldnt change a thing. .But i still feel ist the parents decision to make nor yours or anyone elses..


It a parents decision on where they go to school, what kind of food they eat, ect... not on whether they have the right to live or not. Do you have the right to take your daughters life now? No! So why should yo have that right just because she was still connected to her mothers body despite being a living human being?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Ypu must actually like reading the papers and seeing the horrible things that happen to unwanted children. I dont. Get off of your high horse.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by heyo

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by TrainDispatcher
 


Get over yourself before we start taking away your Viagra. You want to stop abortion? Have men quit raping innocent women and girls. Have stricter penalties for rape. Pro-life my butt. Pro-fetus you mean. To heck with the young girl who has been molested. You people would have her prize the conception and carry the fetus to term.

IF MEN COULD GET PREGNANT ABORTION CLINICS WOULD BE OPEN 24/7 AND THEY WOULD HAVE BARS IN THEM!!!!

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In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions


3.3% Risk to fetal health 2.8% Risk to maternal health


source-wiki



That is because a huge portion of the rape victims did not admit to the doctor it was a rape...they do not want to get their father, uncle or brother arrested! Many times the woman is drunk or passed out and not a willing participant in what still amounts to a rape.
If you say it was a rape..the cops are immediately involved.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
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Ypu must actually like reading the papers and seeing the horrible things that happen to unwanted children. I dont. Get off of your high horse.


Just because you choose to stick your head in the sand and not see what is out there don't accuse me of glorifying abuse to children.
You have no interest in protecting children or YOU WOULD MAKE YOURSELF AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING to real live babies and kids.
MessontheFed: If you were standing in front of me I would slap your face.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by rusethorcain]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by InertiaZero

Speaking of manipulating things to reflect your self-important beliefs...

[edit: I forgot something, punctuation
]

[edit on 9-12-2009 by InertiaZero]


I found this line ironic, as you seem to be okay with the other side of the coin doing the same thing.
Personally I think there's just money to be made, and if something's not illegal, people can suppress any moral responsibility.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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I agree, and that is why I am pro-abortion, but it's not up to the doctors and nurses to convince the patient to get an abortion. That right is up to the patient, and patient's family & friends.

"Women die giving birth"
"Women die getting abortions"

There is a risk for everything, but it's up to the patient, not the doctor.
It is better to get an abortion sooner than later, but the doctor in this video used it as propaganda to persuade the patient to make the decision quickly without giving time for consideration.

www.guttmacher.org...

The risk of death associated with abortion increases with the length of pregnancy, from one death for every one million abortions at or before eight weeks to one per 29,000 at 16–20 weeks—and one per 11,000 at 21 or more weeks.


en.wikipedia.org...

In 2000, the United Nations estimated global maternal mortality at 529,000, of which less than 1% occurred in the developed world.


(I don't know how accurate these two websites are.)



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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I do understand your point on it to, Thats why abortion is such a sticky issue, ya know, do you doom a child to that sort of life or not give them a chance to turn it into something?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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From the website: since 1984 through today in Florida: (25 years)
Search Results Records Found: 323

323 is a long way from 5000 in this year alone.

That includes adults, entire families of children who are probably abducted by one of the parents.

323 divided by 25 = 12.9 per year.

compared to your figure of 5000
5000 times 25 = 125,000

you are not going to believe the figure of 5000 are you?

If so I have some land for sale in Fl, or a bridge in Ak.
lol



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by calstorm
 


Ypu must actually like reading the papers and seeing the horrible things that happen to unwanted children. I dont. Get off of your high horse.


Just because you choose to stick your head in the sand and not see what is out there don't accuse me of glorifying abuse to children.
You have no interest in protecting children or YOU WOULD MAKE YOURSELF AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING to real live babies and kids.
If you were standing in front of me I would slap your face.


To rusethorcain
Look up there... i dont see your name anywhere. Are you in special ed? Get your butt off of your shoulders.

Edit: How many other screen names do you have?

[edit on 9-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]

[edit on 9-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]

[edit on 9-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by heyo

Originally posted by InertiaZero

Personally I think there's just money to be made, and if something's not illegal, people can suppress any moral responsibility.



Thats an excellent line, you have there. Youre right.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by fmcanarney
reply to post by rusethorcain
 


There is an abortion in America every twenty seconds.
4,500 per day, 1.5 million a year, and since 1973, 54 million.

for you pro choice: did these aborted humans have a choice.
for the womens rights: half of the 54 million were female,
what about their rights?


and every 10 seconds an unwanted child is molested by a caretaker or a parent and every hour another is abducted, to be murdered or trafficked. So long as you are so big on statistics go look at the National Missing and Exploited Children reports. This is an epidemic 5000, just this year in FLORIDA ALONE...because there are so many children born to people unprepared, or ill equipped to care for them.
Funny you bring up Florida because you don't get more corrupt for the purpose of federal and tittle IV funding than those statistics, but thats a whole another conspiracy to debate. If by care givers you mean foster parents, yes its true, but the number of incidents of that happening to children in the homes of their birth parents are very small. Note I said FOSTER parents not adoptive parents. The majority of children that happens to where yanked out of loving homes and placed into foster care. Eventually I will get around to starting a thread on that to expose the corruption there. Abortions would have only prevented 6% of those at best.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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I would agree with you that this happens, but i'm not sure how they get the statistics on things that aren't reported.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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But you’re not killing your body your killing another body... And I am not a Christian fundamentalist or even a Christian. But you said if a baby is aborted it goes to heaven... I can believe that but what of you the person who let that baby be killed do you go to heaven?

And you said we have to build a better society I totally agree, but in today’s world with everyone so fascinated with the likes of Chee'ter woods, and other celebrities it’s a wonder were still around... I talk to Kids and teens when I get the chance to and tell how to make it.. Do you? I suggest Education and Play Smart work Hard philosophy that’s carried me for 27 years. ( i know i am young)

As far as collateral damage =) When I pulled my trigger my M-4A2 was aimed at the guy who was shooting at me, not at the kid next to him. When I called in for Arty fire, or Helo support I made sure my strike zone was clear of Friendly’s or locals who were not shooting... You let me worry about Soldiering you worry about keeping your legs closed and building yourself a better life. .


[edit on 9-12-2009 by poedxsoldiervet]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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Tha my friend is the 3,000,000,000 dollar question. And there is no way all of us will ever see eye to eye on this one.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by calstorm
 


Ypu must actually like reading the papers and seeing the horrible things that happen to unwanted children. I dont. Get off of your high horse.

Statistically these things rarely happen to unwanted children. Very few children are ever abused because they were unwanted. Its almost unheard of for a birth mother to molest her child. Although more common its still rare for a biological father to molest their child, although it is very common for pedophiles to seek out a child though adoption or foster care to molest. Abuse happens because the parents were sick, not because they didn't want the child.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by heyo
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I would agree with you that this happens, but i'm not sure how they get the statistics on things that aren't reported.



Because they are made up, but as I said that's another conspiracy for another time.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Ok well on the whole abortion issue......... Agree to disagree. We'll never get anywhere with this. Tis truly a very sticky cituation. But seein as how weve been completely off topic for a whole page now...... How bout them Saints! WooWoo! j/k.

Doctors that lie should be drug behind the chemical shed snd shot. End of story.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Yeah it's quite unfortunate but human nature is messed up sometimes lol.
I hope there are always abortion doctors, but I hope in the future there are fewer of them.



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