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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by sotp
In my humble opinion, GWB was mpt elecected "fairly"
Well, i've lived in Canada for 26 years and I have survived quite well. I see a doctor when I need too, I have had surgerys which have cost me nothing. I do not see how anyone can be against this in the sense of the care we recieve, there are some groups that believe we are all up here dying. And trust me, my job is the administration of medical benefits for an AMERICAN company, for its AMERICAN employees and I gotta tell ya, the amount of money you guys are willing to shell out to have insurance is mind boggling. hundreds to even over a thousand per month, plus having to meet a deductible!!! thats insane!!
Originally posted by mahajohn
Let us be clear here. The anti-universal health care folks are, as far as I can tell, often of the conservative persuasion. As such, they are much more - subconsciously or otherwise - swayed by status quo arguments coming from the media and their colleagues, arguments which owe as much to being devised by the insurance companies and big pharma, as well as a general lack of empathy or concern for their fellow brothers and sisters. That's why liberals are "bleeding hearts," because we generally are concerned for the welfare of our fellow men.
As far as I'm concerned, if you are against universal healthcare, you are not a humanist. In fact, you are in the pocket of the dominator complex, the matrix of groups that we can think of as those for whom the love of money and power is the root of all they do. There's some book somewhere that says something or other about the nature of the love of money.
A nation that can somehow, in the midst of a terrible economy, can find the money and resources to fund a global war against Islam (that's sure what it looks like to at least 1,000,000,000 Muslims) that costs trillions of dollars, and can bail out the richest F*CKS in the country with our hard-earned taxes, but yet can't offer healthcare to a huge population of its citizens, is an objectively evil, corrupt and decadent nation.
I now consider the Obama administration a complete failure, and beyond that, betrayers of the ideas that Obama trumped when he was campaigning. Our nation grows ever more hopeless, and nothing has changed, except the record profits of Goldman and oil companies.
For what's worth, I pay $56.00 a month for my employer-provided health insurance, plus $26.00 towards Medicare, and I still have to shell out an arm and a leg if I want dental work or new glasses.
Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by stereovoyaged
10 lbs of potatoes in Canada = $5...I pay between $2.30 and $2.75. That's pretty close to twice the amount. It was pretty easy to do a quick search for Canadian food prices and they are considerably higher.
Originally posted by Solomons
I always wonder about the argument made by alot of Americans regarding someone else paying for your health via taxes and vice versa. You already pay taxes to someone elses benefit as do they pay for yours in a myriad of ways. Why is it when it comes to helping your fellow citizens and them also helping you get good health care without worrying about thousands of dollars of bills afterwards a problem, yet others are not? It seems strange that one of the few worthwhile things to pay taxes for is the one thing being so vehemently opposed to.
[edit on 10-12-2009 by Solomons]