Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

reply to post by remymartin


Here's another rocket trail iamge with iridescence in it


www.atoptics.co.uk...

[edit on 9/12/2009 by OzWeatherman]

It also looks like it could be the start of stage 2 of NASA'a blue beam project
The blue beam project NASA

reply to post by aboveGoos


It would be easy to duplicate that for anyone with some 3D software. It seems to me to be a pretty clear illustration of what a spiraling booster would look like if it was venting material.

reply to post by Hack28


The fact of the matter is that I personally (or indeed on anyone on here) dont know what type of rocket it was, what it was doing, what height it was at, what atmoshperic conditions were at play, what camera was used etc.

Unless we were able to recreate the exact environmental factors again and have the same malfunction with the same rocket; there's no way to prove it could be a rocket but the point is; all the available verified evidence suggests it is a rocket.

Yes it's weird, yes it's unusual but without any evidence to suggest the contrary, an unfounded assupmtion that it's anything else is just that; an unfounded assumption.

Originally posted by Hack28

Originally posted by aboveGoos
reply to post by nataylor

 

That is probably the most convincing similarities with rockets and this, if it wouldn't be made privately by someone unknown with a very vague description. Still, if it's backed up by real footage, I'll accept that it might be a rocket. Can't refute evidence, right?

How is a simulation that is created "evidence"?

That is not what I said, I said if it was backed up by real footage, it would be evidence.
And by backed up, I mean showing a video which clearly shows a rocket behaving with the same properties such as the simulation.

Don't be too quick on jumping the gun, I'm just trying to be objective here : p

reply to post by Hack28


Oh, I see. Hahaha, next time I need to read more carefully, you said another poster said that we should look for the more simplistic explanations. However, like I said all explanations are mere speculations at this point. We just have to research and wait. I HOPE that this turns out to have been something more than a rocket, but if and when I analyze all of the information and research given in an objective manner and it all points to a rocket test, I WILL accept it as fact.

Originally posted by Hack28

Originally posted by aboveGoos
reply to post by nataylor

 

That is probably the most convincing similarities with rockets and this, if it wouldn't be made privately by someone unknown with a very vague description. Still, if it's backed up by real footage, I'll accept that it might be a rocket. Can't refute evidence, right?

How is a simulation that is created "evidence"?

You'd be surprised how frequently in research sciences that researchers use simulations as valid models for experimentation. That's what happens when you're dealing with strange physics and the like.. Scientists are left with no choice but to use philosophy.

reply to post by Hack28


It's not evidence that what actually happened was a malfunctioning rocket. But it IS evidence that the phenomenon could have been caused by such. The simulation and what is actually seen match up pretty well. That makes it a possibility. So now someone can't say that it's impossible that a rocket caused the phenomenon. If people could offer up other theories with illustrations that also match what was observed, we could compare those with this and see which is the more likely explanation.

reply to post by x2Strongx


Im not buying the rocket thing. This is not from a rocket,sorry.

The simplest explanation is that it's an out of control rocket, but that's not what I come to ATS for.
Mind Control Device,
Anti-Gravity Ray,
Secret NASA project,
Alien Technology,
Alien Communication device,
etc...

Choose your weapon and stick to your choice.

Originally posted by jukiodone2
reply to post by Hack28

 

The fact of the matter is that I personally (or indeed on anyone on here) dont know what type of rocket it was, what it was doing, what height it was at, what atmoshperic conditions were at play, what camera was used etc.

I beg to differ

Here are the atmospheric conditions as taken from weather balloon data

1000.0 10 5.8 -2.2 56 3.27 150 21 278.9 288.2 279.5
970.0 257 4.2 -3.3 58 3.10 145 23 279.8 288.6 280.3
941.0 504 2.6 -4.4 60 2.94 161 17 280.6 289.1 281.1
925.0 642 3.2 -5.8 52 2.69 170 14 282.6 290.4 283.0
893.0 927 2.4 -6.6 51 2.63 200 10 284.6 292.4 285.1
892.0 936 2.4 -6.6 51 2.63 201 10 284.7 292.4 285.1
869.0 1146 0.9 -7.0 55 2.62 220 10 285.3 293.1 285.8
850.0 1324 -0.3 -7.3 59 2.61 220 12 285.8 293.6 286.3
817.0 1640 -2.5 -5.2 82 3.19 212 10 286.7 296.1 287.3
810.0 1708 -2.9 -6.0 79 3.03 210 10 287.0 296.0 287.6
778.0 2026 -4.7 -9.7 68 2.36 229 12 288.4 295.5 288.8
776.0 2046 -4.9 -9.8 68 2.36 230 12 288.5 295.6 288.9
723.0 2597 -9.1 -11.5 83 2.20 195 12 289.6 296.4 290.0
700.0 2848 -11.1 -12.3 91 2.14 200 17 290.2 296.7 290.5
699.0 2859 -11.1 -12.1 92 2.17 200 18 290.3 296.9 290.7
696.0 2892 -11.5 -12.5 92 2.11 201 18 290.2 296.6 290.6
681.0 3059 -12.1 -18.1 61 1.36 203 22 291.3 295.6 291.6
669.0 3195 -12.7 -16.1 76 1.64 205 25 292.2 297.3 292.5
664.0 3252 -12.9 -15.2 83 1.78 204 26 292.6 298.1 292.9
638.0 3556 -13.9 -18.9 66 1.35 198 27 294.8 299.1 295.0
618.0 3797 -15.5 -18.1 80 1.50 194 29 295.6 300.4 295.9
579.0 4288 -17.5 -21.1 73 1.23 185 32 298.9 302.9 299.1
500.0 5370 -25.3 -27.8 80 0.78 165 39 302.1 304.8 302.3
496.0 5427 -25.7 -28.3 79 0.75 165 39 302.3 304.9 302.5
400.0 6950 -36.7 -41.7 60 0.25 165 41 307.2 308.1 307.3
377.0 7357 -40.1 -44.4 63 0.20 163 44 308.0 308.7 308.0
348.0 7899 -44.3 -49.3 57 0.12 160 47 309.4 309.9 309.4
332.0 8213 -45.7 -53.7 40 0.08 158 49 311.7 312.0 311.7
310.0 8664 -49.6 -57.0 42 0.06 155 52 312.4 312.6 312.4
300.0 8880 -51.5 -58.5 43 0.05 155 52 312.6 312.9 312.7
276.0 9415 -56.1 -60.6 57 0.04 158 50 313.6 313.7 313.6
259.0 9817 -57.9 -65.9 35 0.02 160 49 316.6 316.7 316.6
250.0 10040 -56.9 -68.9 21 0.01 165 43 321.4 321.4 321.4
249.0 10065 -56.5 -68.5 21 0.02 165 43 322.3 322.4 322.3
218.0 10910 -57.5 -77.2 6 0.00 165 39 333.3 333.3 333.3
217.0 10939 -57.5 -77.5 6 0.00 167 39 333.7 333.7 333.7

reply to post by aboveGoos


You might want to go to page 30... three videos that show the same behavior... which ALL turned out to be missiles...

This is one of the reasons I read ATS. Cool stuff.

Probably a rocket. Based on the photos, it appears to have launched at a distance, somewhere over the horizon. The blue color is likely a shadow effect from the light and the escaping raw fuel. The spiral effect at the end was likely caused by a poorly executed self-destruct which activated one side but not another, causing a spinning. The spinning would have ejected material which would have then moved further away from the centerpoint. At the last, when the final material being ejected was gone, the spiral continued to move outward, leaving a black hole.

There you go.

PS: Are there really five threads on this? Somebody didn't search...naughty, naughty...

[edit on 12/9/2009 by Jim Scott]

Originally posted by x2Strongx
reply to post by aboveGoos

 

You might want to go to page 30... three videos that show the same behavior... which ALL turned out to be missiles...

I second this gentleman.

For people who are still interested in alternative causality:
Check out some of the EISCAT posts. EISCAT is a high-energy atmospheric research facility literally RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER from where this phenomena occurred. In fact that blue spiral connects to their Ionospheric Heater array.

The rocket theory is very plausible.

Its just extremely odd that that photo from Tromso and the Beam are also exactly where EISCAT is.

About 3.5 miles over the mountain, kinda weird no?

All I am saying is I have viewed all these pages and havnt seen 1 picture of a "perfect spiral" form a rocket nah try again. Um just sayen somebody post a pick of a perfect SPIRAL circle caused by a rocket, thats all. Otherwise FRINGE. SMH at the disinfo though, its cool the next visual wont be even close to being considered a rocket or weather balloon debunk.

Furthermore, I believe that the action seen in the video of the spirals' dispersal, the movement is much too dynamic and instantaneous to have been from a discharge of air or some kind of spent, reaction-less fuel. It looks like it's being caused by radio stimulation.

I still would like to know if it is in fact a rocket. . .

1. How come nobody heard anything?

2. Where is the radar report or some sort of data saying there was something in the sky and it was tracked?

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
All I am saying is I have viewed all these pages and havnt seen 1 picture of a "perfect spiral" form a rocket nah try again. Um just sayen somebody post a pick of a perfect SPIRAL circle caused by a rocket, thats all. Otherwise FRINGE. SMH at the disinfo though, its cool the next visual wont be even close to being considered a rocket or weather balloon debunk.

It is the long exposure videos that really make this spiral stand out
watch the videos. . .

reply to post by aboveGoos

Note the booster (on the right) at about :40