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Updated: Snopes Obama passport issue does not prove "false"

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posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by mikelee

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Where else would a US citizen, who was born in the USA, passport be issued from?

You really should not post whilst drinking or drugged




posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf
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The email itself may have indeed originated from a so-so source however the passport issue isn't proved "false".


God isnt proven true.
God isnt proven false.
Time isnt proven true.
Time isnt proven false. (only our perception can be proven on individual basis)

In fact, there is only one universal thing that can be proven true

Human Stupidity

And in its infinite splendor, births a thread like we have here.

"It can't be proven false, so it must be true"

Kind of sounds like "If the glove dont fit, acquit!"

and we all know how that turned out, right?

[edit on 9-12-2009 by Snarf]


Symantics. Used when the truth can't be. Again I ask:

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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The Snopes website only provides sepculation that isn't based in anything concrete.


Sounds like every myth out there about Obama.


He's a secret muslim
He's an open Muslim
He's a devout Christian
He's not Christian enough
He's a heathen for not buying his girls Christmas presents
He's not a US citizen
He is a US citizen
He's a dual citizen of the US & Kenya
He wants Sharia Law
He wants Martial Law
He'll crumble the economy
He's Hitler
He's Satan
He said "Thank You Satan" in his speech
He's too black
He's not black enough
He's too white
He's not white enough
He's loyal to the Arabians
He's loyal to the Japanese
NO! He's Loyal to the Chinese!
He & Michelle held a gun to John McCain and Sarah Palins head and forced them to help them steal the Hope Diamond!



Hmmmmm



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by mikelee

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Where else would a US citizen, who was born in the USA, passport be issued from?

You really should not post whilst drinking or drugged


Thats an assumption based on the context of the Snopes article and as in your case, taken to be the "truth" without providing any concerete evidence. I'm ignoring your personal attacks you and fighter keep on making because neither of you can answer a simple question of...

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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There's no semantics to it what so ever.

The spirit of your argument is that "if it cant be proven false, it must automatically be true"

Well, its your case - prove it to be true.

Why rely on someone else to do that for you?

I don't think Obama is *NOT* a citizen any more than i think Bush planned 9/11

I dont allow partisan idiocy to select my diatribes....i don't go into forums & create threads about 2 year old Obama smear campaigns....and then ignore solid evidence when its thrown in my face.


And you keep repeating your childish straw man argument as if you struck gold in dem der hills.


I dont know where snopes evidence is at.

I know the evidence i have at hand. He was born in the USA. That can be, and has been...at great ad nausical (is that a word?
) length....

His passport is entirely irrelevant.





[edit on 9-12-2009 by Snarf]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf

The Snopes website only provides sepculation that isn't based in anything concrete.


Sounds like every myth out there about Obama.


He's a secret muslim
He's an open Muslim
He's a devout Christian
He's not Christian enough
He's a heathen for not buying his girls Christmas presents
He's not a US citizen
He is a US citizen
He's a dual citizen of the US & Kenya
He wants Sharia Law
He wants Martial Law
He'll crumble the economy
He's Hitler
He's Satan
He said "Thank You Satan" in his speech
He's too black
He's not black enough
He's too white
He's not white enough
He's loyal to the Arabians
He's loyal to the Japanese
NO! He's Loyal to the Chinese!
He & Michelle held a gun to John McCain and Sarah Palins head and forced them to help them steal the Hope Diamond!



Hmmmmm


While your comedic approach to answering your Obama hero's passport question is funny, I again ask,

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:13 AM
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While your comedic approach to answering your Obama hero's passport question is funny, I again ask,

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Ther'es no comedy intended in my post.

Its a mirror held in front of your face to make sure you're still breathing....you're merely staring at the reflection of your argument.

And once again - your strawman question can only be answered by snopes.

Reread my post above about your asinine question.

The answer is about as relevant as someone making the claim that the actor in the Barney costume was really a pedophile who molested their guests....and then the person who made that claim says "OH YEAH!? PROVE ME WRONG THEN"



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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The spirit of your argument is that "if it cant be proven false, it must automatically be true"

Why do you Obama-ites continue to side step questions about your hero? I asked a simple question and you started your personal attacks, did you learn in that in socialist school? Or perhaps Obama himself had Rahm Emmanuel teach you how to avoid answering any questions regarding him when you signed up to help promote the socialist movement. Getting an answer out of you people is really very funny because you step all over yourself to avoid answering any questions about Obama then you begin the personal attacks whihc is very childish and only demonstrates your real inner intellict.

Again I ask:

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?




[edit on 9-12-2009 by mikelee]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by mikelee
The spirit of your argument is that "if it cant be proven false, it must automatically be true"


And your argument appears to be:

"Oh no, a black man, born in the USA, a USA citizen by birth, is now the POTUS.
I cannot accept that, so I will believe any stupid conspiracy theory, any silly email that I receive from another conspiracy theorist like me, and I will totally ignore the simple facts that destroy my conspiracy"

You do not realise how silly that makes you look here!

and your signature is very true "Lies of course must be revised as needed to suit those who live by them. - Mike Lee"

And you are the one who keeps revising the lies about Obama!

[edit on 9-12-2009 by dereks]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by mikelee
The spirit of your argument is that "if it cant be proven false, it must automatically be true"


And your argument appears to be:

"Oh no, a black man, born in the USA, a USA citizen by birth, is now the POTUS.
I cannot accept that, so I will believe any stupid conspiracy theory, any silly email that I receive from another conspiracy theorist like me, and I will totally ignore the simple facts that destroy my conspiracy"

You do not realise how silly that makes you look here!

and your signature is very true "Lies of course must be revised as needed to suit those who live by them. - Mike Lee"

And you are the one who keeps revising the lies about Obama!

[edit on 9-12-2009 by dereks]


Oh, another personal attack instead of answering the question. How shocking. Hey man, answer the question....

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by mikelee

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Where does it say it is not? Who said Snopes had to show where he got his passport from? Snopes just points out the lies you posted in your original post, then you changed those lies as per your sig!

Oh dear, your strawman fails again, and does not stop your racism showing through your posts

[edit on 9-12-2009 by dereks]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by mikelee
Again I ask:

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Again people will keep ignoring you because you are reacting to a hoax email and a site that for some reason you feel should answer all the questions that have been answered OVEr and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and.. hopefully you get the point.

You're a brand new member here and that somewhat excuses the route you've taken with a completely dead horse issue.. guess what. the horse isn't going to get up and run no matter how much you flail at it.

Use the SEARCH function on the site and find ALL the answers that your dear Snopes won't give you.

Have you thought that maybe Snopes doesn't give you a clear answer because they are also TIRED of flogging that horse that is by now actual just a pile of bones? It consumes time and energy to keep digging the same retarded info up.


Just so you know, I wish there was a clear cut way to get rid of Obama, but right now keeping the quality and integrity of ATS is in danger of threads like this and is a literal waste of data storage area, my time, your time and anyone else's time who cares to coddle you to the search function of the site.

Did I mention to use the search function.

b

p.s. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION
p.s.s. I looked for the horse and it's already turned to dust



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by mikelee

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Where does it say it is not?

Oh dear, your strawman fails again, and does not stop your racism showing through your posts



Spin. Spin. Spin.

Did you learn that from the Clintons's or the Gore's?

The Snopes article makes an attempt to suggest that Obama used a US passport to visit Pakistan and other countrys but does not provide concrete evidence of such. Asking your question of "where does it say its not?" validates my question 100%

Again...

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Bspiracy

Originally posted by mikelee
Again I ask:

Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


Again people will keep ignoring you because you are reacting to a hoax email and a site that for some reason you feel should answer all the questions that have been answered OVEr and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and.. hopefully you get the point.

You're a brand new member here and that somewhat excuses the route you've taken with a completely dead horse issue.. guess what. the horse isn't going to get up and run no matter how much you flail at it.

Use the SEARCH function on the site and find ALL the answers that your dear Snopes won't give you.

Have you thought that maybe Snopes doesn't give you a clear answer because they are also TIRED of flogging that horse that is by now actual just a pile of bones? It consumes time and energy to keep digging the same retarded info up.


Just so you know, I wish there was a clear cut way to get rid of Obama, but right now keeping the quality and integrity of ATS is in danger of threads like this and is a literal waste of data storage area, my time, your time and anyone else's time who cares to coddle you to the search function of the site.

Did I mention to use the search function.

b

p.s. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION
p.s.s. I looked for the horse and it's already turned to dust


Hey,

I get it, I understand what your saying here OK? But it don't address the assumption of an earlier poster that the Snopes article is clear cut on the passport issue and proved it as "false".

The issue is now with the Snopes article...And while some have suggested that I'm beating a dead horse, I'm not. The horse is alive & well.

Again...The issue is with the Snopes article!!!!!!

The Snopes article does NOT prove it to be false at all. They left it open to theory.

I'm done here because you all cannot get past your own dead horses!



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by mikelee
Then where in the Snopes expanation does it state that Obama's passport was issued by the US?


So according to you as the Snopes article does not state that Obama is not a Muslim, a shape changing lizard, or responsible for the destruction of Pompei it must be true....

See how stupid your reasoning is.

It appears you are just trolling now, as your lies have been pointed out.

You originally claimed that Obama could not travel on a US passport, as the State department had Pakistan on a "no travel"list, which you claimed meant no US passport holder could travel there.

That was a lie, and so the snopes article correctly calls it false.

However, your racism is so strong you cannot accept Obama as the POTUS

The issue is not with the Snopes article, but your original lie.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by dereks]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by mikelee
The Snopes article does NOT prove it to be false at all. They left it open to theory.

I'm done here because you all cannot get past your own dead horses!


It's the nation's dead horse...

What you have done here is expose nothing. You haven't researched any other sources to back up or deny what Snopes is saying. You've brought the issue YOU have with SNOPES to this site.

It's like and old Monty Python skit

"That's not an argument!"
"Yes it is!"
"No it's not!"
"Yes it is!"
etc..

Please try and keep the integrity of the site up, I'm starting to miss a well threaded ATS. It's starting to be a "Drudge Report meets YouTube comment section" around here.

b



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 10:22 AM
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The other Presidents wern't asked because their citizenship wasn't in question.
This man and All Presidents should have been vetted.
SomeoneS didn't do their job and now the American People have no idea about way too many things concerning our president, citizenship being at the top of a long list including the passport issue.
Anyone using the internet has seen the concerns

If he's valid then where's his respect for us?
If he had any he would show us the answers yet he scrubbs and scrubbs to the tune of someones boo koo bucks; possibly some of these bucks come from the people that would be in deep dodo for not doing their job.

What's his problem if there's no problem?

[edit on 9-12-2009 by AmericanDaughter]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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Oh PLease
not the race card
thst's only an issue by a seriously very few
and you know it or you should.
The only documentation he's shown is highly in qusetion.
It just is and for good reason.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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No need to be rude because we disagree.

Actually I do not say they are fake.
If my son was born in a poor foreign country and I knew the rules; just like Ann did, I would do what I could to make sure he was considered American, including putting birth announcements in an American paper.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by AmericanDaughter]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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If you have a problem with the snopes article...send snopes and email. ASK THEM

no one here can answer that for you.

also, yea...you should take some time, use the search function, and find out there are numerous threads on this topic (no not that snopes doesn't answer your question but the obama BC crap)


and to the people arguing with him. you look just as stupid as you think he does.

you are sitting here taking attacks, saying he is questioning because he doesnt want a black man in office.

grow the hell up.

not everything is a race issue...the man obviously has a flawed way of running the country...he hasn't fixed anything or made anything remotely better...may no be his direct fault, but he is NOT THE SAVIOR you wish he was.

this thread is childish.

this thread is BS.

this thread is one of the reasons I, and from the looks of it many others are growing tired of ATS.

I've been here for just months, and it's already starting to get on my nerves...i wonder how people who have been here for years handle it...let alone the founders.

do us all a favor, and stop these stupid threads.

if you have NEW info, then start a new thread. but this horse, its dead. i dont care if you think it is different. if it looks like a dead horse, smells like a dead horse, then guess what buddy? it is a dead horse.



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