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Chem Trails in Central Massachusetts

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Hello ATS'ers,

This is an attempt of my First Post. I hope all goes well.

Here in central Mass, every Sunday weather permitting, the Chem Trails come out to play. I have seen videos of chem trails and pictures but this was the first time I saw for myself.

I photographed on a 300mm tele lens and I got a good look.







What was strange, when I was walking home, there was a "rainbow" sphere around the sun. Strange indeed, because I have never seen a circle rainbow. Also, there were other rainbow spectrums near the chem trail. I uploaded some of these pictures of the rainbows but the quality is poor.

Are these rainbows common associations with chem trails?

Take Care All




posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Those are contrails. You say "every Sunday" but then you say this was the first time you saw them. The air over Massachusetts is very cold and moist right now (conducive to contrails), you're likely to see a lot more.

Circular rainbows are not uncommon and are associated with cirrus clouds which, like contrails, are composed of ice crystals.
www.polarization.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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nice Pictures, just like home.

Phage lives in a bunker and dont look out side all that much !

Here is a 40 minute Vid with a man called Carnicom..
Here you see a ie. a normail contrail next to a chemtrail, cant be confused at all, yet some seems to do so over and over, isnt that right Phage...Some never learn...


Im adding this, as it is from late November, and shows the same cob webs that is shown in the above older clip..(Any contrail eplanation on the cobwebs or biological 'stuff' in these trails ? )


[edit on 8/12/2009 by ChemBreather]



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Contrails are contrails. Aircraft fly at different altitudes and there are different conditions at different altitudes. The air at one altitude may not be cold enough or humid enough for a contrail to form at all, or if it does form, to last very long. A bit higher the air can be much colder and more humid, allowing contrails to form easily, persist, and spread.


[edit on 12/8/2009 by Phage]



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Phage hit the nail right on the head there. The rainbow colour is a good indication of ice crystals in the atmosphere, and also a good indication that the atmosphere is becoming supersaturated with more water vapour friom the contrails

If its alright with the OP, Im gonna post his observations on my sticky thread, along with the weather details



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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I think you have alot of knowledge of the air and tempreatures and on contrails, all good..


But, the chemtrails are what is talked about..
Like the Whistleblower Dr.Bill Deadgle said 'the chemtrails are real, make no mistake about it, any one who sais diffrent, dont know what the h¤%% they are talking about', and I stick with that.

There are so many that have done research on it for it over a long time, and I dont think they'd be wasting all that time and energy on something that is nonexistent..

Hope you understand I was just playing with you with the Bunker thing right ?!



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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Where in Central Mass did you take these? I grew up in Worcester, but live in Phoenix now...

Interesting note. Last week I noticed that same rainbow, but it was not over the sun. It was in a chem/contrail.

Also, two weeks ago I watched a plane fly over my house and spray or create a trail. The reason I did not think that it was a contrail was that I watched it get closer to the ground and it did not disappear as I thought it would. It just spread and thinned out.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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When the weather conditions are right, the contrail will spread out and stay around. With the introduction of water vapour into the surrounding air from the engine exhaust, the air becomes saturated creating the cloud (in ice crystal form at that altitude of course). If the air is already humid (as it is in the USA in winter), ice crystals attract more ice crystals, creating a cloud which persists. Natural cirrus clouds undergo the same process, just without the jet engine.

And for the OP, did your rainbow look like any of these:

www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.atoptics.co.uk...





[edit on 8/12/2009 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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Yeah, these were over Worcester.

There were rainbows also in the areas of the chemtrails, but I saw this only on one day. The second time I did not notice the rainbows. We will see what happens this weekend.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


Please do



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by whereismyfather
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


Please do


Ok cheers

Links in my signature



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ChemBreather
 

Contrails are contrails. Aircraft fly at different altitudes and there are different conditions at different altitudes. The air at one altitude may not be cold enough or humid enough for a contrail to form at all, or if it does form, to last very long. A bit higher the air can be much colder and more humid, allowing contrails to form easily, persist, and spread.


[edit on 12/8/2009 by Phage]


What are they when they turn into clouds?

are they still 'contrails'?

cheese and rice.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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I lived in waltham, mass up until september.

Get used to the spraying op, its part of living in a congested area.

peace out.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by vermonster
What are they when they turn into clouds?

are they still 'contrails'?

cheese and rice.


In terms of proffesional meteorological observations, contrails are reported as normal cirrus or cirrostratus clouds if they persist for over 30 minutes



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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Oz,

I have the rainbow in my ATS pictures album, but the quality is poor if you want to take a look. It is the first one.

As far as your links to compare too, the first link has the Corna and Fogbow and they, I think are similar to the one in the photo.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by vermonster
reply to post by whereismyfather
 


I lived in waltham, mass up until september.

Get used to the spraying op, its part of living in a congested area.

peace out.


OP, I wouldnt worry about anything landing on you, the winds at the plane height were well over 130 knots (see 8th column numbers) or 150mph....meaning if anything was released over you, it would end up in the Atlantic ocean (7th colum is wind direction in degrees)



300.0 8890 -47.7 -75.7 3 0.00 280 134 318.0 318.0 318.0
291.0 9091 -47.5 -77.5 2 0.00 284 135 321.1 321.1 321.1
288.6 9144 -47.9 -77.4 2 0.00 285 135 321.3 321.3 321.3
254.0 9978 -53.5 -76.5 4 0.00 285 130 324.9 324.9 324.9
250.0 10080 -53.7 -76.7 4 0.00 285 129 326.1 326.1 326.1
240.0 10342 -54.7 -76.7 5 0.00 280 134 328.4 328.4 328.4
239.2 10363 -54.4 -76.6 5 0.00 280 134 329.2 329.2 329.2
236.0 10450 -53.1 -76.1 4 0.01 280 132 332.4 332.4 332.4
233.0 10533 -53.3 -76.3 4 0.01 281 129 333.3 333.4 333.3
214.0 11078 -55.9 -76.9 6 0.01 283 115 337.5 337.5 337.5
204.0 11383 -55.9 -76.9 6 0.01 284 106 342.1 342.2 342.1
201.0 11478 -55.1 -77.1 5 0.01 285 104 344.9 344.9 344.9
200.0 11510 -55.1 -77.1 5 0.01 285 103 345.4 345.4 345.4
197.8 11582 -55.0 -77.3 5 0.01 285 101 346.6 346.6 346.6



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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explain this please, how is it that two planes can fly at the same altitude and only one produces lingering cloud like formations that spread out until its a hazy day.

go hang out in waltham or worcester or somerville, you can watch this "anomaly" all day long.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by whereismyfather
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


Oz,

I have the rainbow in my ATS pictures album, but the quality is poor if you want to take a look. It is the first one.

As far as your links to compare too, the first link has the Corna and Fogbow and they, I think are similar to the one in the photo.


Ok, what you got here is either a corona or iridescence. Both occur when water droplets diffract sunlight. Its more likely a corona as you say you observed a ring. Iridescence is similar but can be a multitude of different shapes



www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.atoptics.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by vermonster
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


explain this please, how is it that two planes can fly at the same altitude and only one produces lingering cloud like formations that spread out until its a hazy day.

go hang out in waltham or worcester or somerville, you can watch this "anomaly" all day long.


I dont need to hang out over there as the same thing happens in winter down here. Contrail persistance is forecast for military purposes, as they give away fighter jet positions.

How do you know that both planes are flying at the same altitude by the way? Its most likely that the planes are flying at different altitudes which is a much more plausible answer in terms of saftey. Someone has a program which shows altitudes and locations of air traffic somewhere, i will try and remember who it is



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
Those are contrails. You say "every Sunday" but then you say this was the first time you saw them. The air over Massachusetts is very cold and moist right now (conducive to contrails), you're likely to see a lot more.

Circular rainbows are not uncommon and are associated with cirrus clouds which, like contrails, are composed of ice crystals.
www.polarization.com...



Yes, I meant to say this was the first time I saw the rainbows.

I did not consider the air temperature being a factor in the.... prominence of the trails. However, driving home from a weekend in warmer weather I remember seeing trails. I will keep and eye on the sky come warmer months and see what happens



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