Former US Presidents Explain Climategate

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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I know this may be against the grain here... But this may be a building block to a healthier future. Who's to say a one world government is worse off then 100's of small ones.. Things don't seem to be working out correctly as is. And I do believe this is a conspiracy to create a new world order.. Probably a better one. As is the world order is chaos.

I'm a mason, all the men in my family are masons, going back to colonial MA. I'm not going to lie a lot of our talk is about a new world order, and how it needs to happen. It's time you guys face the truth, things need to change. There are always going to be corruption, and men richer then others screwing over the less. It's why we band together as brothers to be strong.

A New World Order will band our WORLD, our PLANET together. This is the building block of something great. Under false information or not. We must work together to unite each other. Only then when men are united will they work to help eachother.

Look at the masons for instance. We did it?




posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Yes, you are correct in pointing out the obvious... the Earth IS warming.


www.climatedepot.com...

I think there is mounting evidence that the earth has not only stopped warming, but we are about to enter a rather substantial cooling that will last decades.

"Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. - Head of Space research laboratory of the Pulkovo Observatory, Head of the Russian/Ukrainian joint project Astrometria - (translated from Russian by Lucy Hancock) Dr. Abdussamatov is featured on page 140 of the 2009 U.S. Senate Report of More Than 700 Dissenting Scientists Over Man-Made Global Warming. Also see "Related Links" below.)

Key Excerpts: Observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in temperature, carbon dioxide is "not guilty" and as for what lies ahead in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global, and very prolonged, temperature drop. [...] Over the past decade, global temperature on the Earth has not increased; global warming has ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep temperature drop. [...] It follows that warming had a natural origin, the contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant, anthropogenic increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide does not serve as an explanation for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2 will not be able to cause catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse effect will not avert the onset of the next deep temperature drop, the 19th in the last 7500 years, which without fail follows after natural warming. [...] We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social, demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop, which will directly affect the national interests of almost all countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably weaken the crisis."



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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They say HARRP can heat the atmosphere. I hear there are these HARRP facilities all over the world. Could it be? Nah, no way.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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The most alarming line from that email conversation is this:



I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences.


They are flat out saying that they would like to see the world's climate change for the worse, just so that it can live up to the hype. In my opinion, these people are not scientists - they are fanatics in white coats, no different than religious fundamentalists who fight for their beliefs and books. It amazes me how the people we regard as authority figures - world leaders, scientists, professors, etc. are all mis-guided, narrow minded and some of them just out right nut jobs!

Is it a coincidence that the US government (be it previous administrations or the current one) has never fully committed to any sort of climate legislation? Also, the fact that Obama will be attending the Copenhagen summit towards the end signifies that the US government knows that global warming is not a serious threat. The biggest failure in all of this is the utter failure of the mainstream media in reporting both sides of the story fairly.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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good video IgnoranceIsntBlisss i wished i had more knowledge of creating videos so i could contribute but thats not my area of expertise, all i can say is get ready for next year because something evil comes this way




posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind that the earths climate is in continual change. Im sure humans have a slight impact, but who knows the real extents and the real factors involved? As far as im concerned, a warmed up earth is better than going through an ice-age!



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by BetweenTheLine
I know this may be against the grain here... But this may be a building block to a healthier future. Who's to say a one world government is worse off then 100's of small ones.. Things don't seem to be working out correctly as is. And I do believe this is a conspiracy to create a new world order.. Probably a better one. As is the world order is chaos.

I'm a mason, all the men in my family are masons, going back to colonial MA. I'm not going to lie a lot of our talk is about a new world order, and how it needs to happen. It's time you guys face the truth, things need to change. There are always going to be corruption, and men richer then others screwing over the less. It's why we band together as brothers to be strong.

A New World Order will band our WORLD, our PLANET together. This is the building block of something great. Under false information or not. We must work together to unite each other. Only then when men are united will they work to help eachother.

Look at the masons for instance. We did it?


The larger the area governed by a single body, the less influence any one person has over that governing body.

The largest countries in the world are America, Chine and Russia. What proportion of people in these countries feel they have any influence over their governments? The Americans I know keep telling me there's no point in even trying, there is nothing the average American can do to influence government any more.And I doubt thing are better in China or Russia.

Put one government in control of the planet and you have a dictatorship, no matter how prettily it's painted as a democracy. A government that size would not be able to give a damn about minority groups, so many people would lose their rights. I know a lot of people on this forum would be glad to live in a world where one group ruled and all the others had to just fit in, but in a one world scenario they would quite likely be a minority group themselves.

Obama has a science adviser who has advocated a one world government in orderto enforce stringent population control world wide, such as adding anti-fertility agents to drinking water supplies, or sterilizing everyone with a device that can be turned off if the government approves their request to have a child.

Anyone who wants a government in power which can enforce these kind of measures is not a person I could trust.


I love Star Trek, but its portrayal of an Earth governed as one, with everyone happy, is a fairy-tale. In practice, it would be more like China, only worse.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by mister.old.school
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It's my belief that "carbon credits" and "carbon taxes" are nothing more than profit seeking attempts from corporations and governments seeking to capitalize on over-stated climate-change fears.

Is that clear enough?


Yeah, devised by Ken Lay of Enron no less. As covered in the video.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by BetweenTheLine
Who's to say a one world government is worse off then 100's of small ones..


Who will there be to oppose it if it goes tyrannical? Where will you seek refuge if the tyranny is global?


Things don't seem to be working out correctly as is.


What isnt working?


And I do believe this is a conspiracy to create a new world order.. Probably a better one.


It's being sold to us with lies, and an engineered economic meltdown, by tyrannical elites, but its a good thing?


I'm a mason, all the men in my family are masons, going back to colonial MA. I'm not going to lie a lot of our talk is about a new world order, and how it needs to happen.


This could get interesting...


It's time you guys face the truth, things need to change. There are always going to be corruption, and men richer then others screwing over the less. It's why we band together as brothers to be strong.


What does this concept have to do with what we ar facing?


A New World Order will band our WORLD, our PLANET together. This is the building block of something great. Under false information or not. We must work together to unite each other. Only then when men are united will they work to help eachother.

Look at the masons for instance. We did it?


If you were a credible higher up in the Scottish Rite, the case for the old existence of the Illuminati argument would be settled right now.

Order out of chaos.

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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As it stands now a one world government is just chaos waiting to happen, nevermind the fact the people who own much of the world right now keep most of it starving,poor and weak all for their own insatiable appetite for control over every aspect of peoples lives. I'd rather they were not running the show thank you very much. I think we need to make sure that thousands upon thousands of men,woman and children are not wretching in pain and dying from starvation every day before having such grandiose ideas. Anyway good video, i always love hearing old school(to me) politicians speaking..even if they were just as crooked you can quite easily tell that intellectual and thought provoking speeches have been on the decline.

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by mister.old.school
I'd like to point out that the illegally-obtained private emails (and other data) that comprise "climate gate" do not disprove the rather obvious scientific fact that the earth is currently experiencing an overall warming trend.

The only evidentiary aspect of these communications are related to the possible unethical behavior of some of the scientists seeking to establish a connection with man's contribution to the warming of the planet.

The warming is indeed happening, and a collection of unethical scientists do not diminish the need to be concerned about the potential societal harm posed by the evolution of the planet's ecosystem.


My first inclination was a personal attack, but as I am trying to be a better person I will not do that. The thing is, there exists a tremendous amount of scientific evidence that the people in the Climategate scandal collaborated to deny the world in order to advance a political agenda.

They have forevermore sullied the previous respect generally afforded to science in no less of a way that child molesting Priests have sullied the previous respect for the Catholic Church.

I personally have seen enough evidence to not believe in man made climate change, and any solar system wide cyclical disturbances such as mass coronal ejections are neither made nor unmade by the actions of man.

This summit is about global government. These people really really really do not care if you and I starve to death or die from a bullet in the head. They are elite global jet setting monsters who think no more for people than you think for the germs while spraying out your Lysol in your toilet. That is what they "Feel" for us, they are horrible monstrous evil creatures and that's why all of this matters.




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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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we have the Emails, the truth - we have the conspiracy to commit a crime where is the Investigation...? Arrest's... Pay Attention
-- Not for Breathing, because they could not pay the tax, I bet~! ... where are the Arrests for conspiracy to commit this massive Fraud?
they had better hurry before they skip worlds... ha ha.... the world is too small for these people to hide. so - now what...? I don’t know.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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The Earth is not warming, its in fact getting colder, and so are the people that run it.

Not to mention to fact that if the Earth's axis tilts even 1 degree, we could be in for another Ice Age. This is nothing more than a funding operation, with an agenda to propel the creation of a Global Government.

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Star Trek, where to start. Great idea. Also pointed out what you mentioned. The smaller minority got over ruled. The Maki for example. ousted in a treaty deal. There will always be people who are upset, the thing we need to minimize is how many, and that i believe is what we can do with a 1 world government.

To the person who said a one world government would be to big to rise against, you are right... however what is to be expected is WHILE this 1 world government rises these battles are waged. Forming this world order. This is a process, it started a long time ago and it will end way longer then many of you even care to think about.

This bill will be passed, one bill after another, the resistance will build people will (wake up) and rise up against it. And through bloodshed the government will be formed.

There isn't a if, when or how... its now its happening and its not stopping for me or you. They expect you to fight, and they expect you to carve humanity into the government through your blood.

so what im saying here is, resistance is a good thing, its to be expected and the more the better. This site, right here is one of the building blocks of the resistance believe it or not. And they know it.

It's all been played out, and for the one who quoted about my roots, as you can see... they are all there. the world will come together as the blood is shed just as ww2 did, and its just how ww3 will too.

edit: for example, iraq/afganistan. We are there, doing things, bad things, good things, and when it all comes out 50, 100 years, maybe even 500 years from now... people will look back and reflect..."ya, we need to not do that". and thats how this is going to go down. People have already figured out what happens today how it influences tommorow through trial and error for much longer then 2000 years i assure you.
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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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Nice job on the vid IIB. The timing of the hack/leak is certainly interesting. When it first was being discussed here on ATS I was thinking they were manufactured for some purpose. Now the MSM has got a hold of it (planned?) and the sides are being drawn over what to think.

Thanks for the refreshers from Ike and Jack. Look behind the curtain to catch a glimpse of what is to come my friends.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by infinityoreilly
Now the MSM has got a hold of it (planned?) and the sides are being drawn over what to think.



Like i have said, it's all planned out. They want you to rise up. They want you to secretly pass notes to each other telling each other to be ready, and what the code word is. They want you to think you are protected by electronic encryption methods that they where using in the 60s and 70's. They will listen in on everything and be ready with 50x more backing and support.


It's people like us that will usher in the new era through our own bloodshed.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
 
I must respectfully disagree. A collection of unethical scientists puts all the data and all of the conclusions that have been reached by more ethical investigators. When someone is exploring something like climate change, the work is not performed in a vacum. The data I obtain will be compared with the data of others. If the data of others is false, then my conclusions most likely will be incorrect. The solutions implemented based on these faulty assumptions could could create even larger problems.
If we have to much CO2 then perhaps we should plant more trees. I am not being facetious. That could, quite possibly, be the simplest and cheapest solution.


But that is not what the climategate hoaxers have been doing. People should have realized this when Michael Mann published his MBH98 and subsequent data which did not show the Medieval Warm Period, and then he had the galls to publish a paper for the past 2,000 years in which he burried the end of the Roman Warm Period also... That's what these people have been doing all along to allow their Socialist/Communist one World Government to be implemented.

Then when the REAL climate scientists and others continuing pointing this out the Climategate Hoaxers decided to work together and decided to compile their data extrapolating Mann's false data with that of others. Jones was also part of this scam, and the emails prove it, and Jones was another of the scientists who teamed up with Mann to try to continue to deceive the world.

Funny thing is some other members and myself have been talking about this for years in the website and for the most part we were just dismissed.

That is the sort of indoctrination that has been occurring in the western world when most people can't see what is happening as the Socialist/Communist agenda has been embraced without most people realizing what they really have been embracing.

Has the climate been changing? sure it has, it always does, and it is not just a coincidence that the Sun's activity was at it's highest when temperatures were increasing, and then there was a global dip in temperatures when the Sun's activity began to slow down to a crawl.

The thing now is that we really don't know what is going to happen next with the climate. It is certainly going to continue changing, and it is probably going to get worse but it is not because of mankind.


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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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I have been a skeptic of mmgw from the beginning for the simple fact the number of variables affecting mean sea temp are too many in number to to calculate with any degree of certainty relative to fraction of degrees and IMPOSSIBLE to measure.

Let us not forget, the earth's thin crust rests on hundreds of miles thick, molten rock. Any variation of the thickness or more impotantly, changes in the number of fissures or vents expose water to 1,000 degree magma.

How many sensors are placed around sub-sea volcanic areas? Global cloud cover, changes in the earth's and sun's magnetic fields, mean wave height and thermal tranferance, on and on.

It is foolish to think a model would contain few enough assuptions to be valid. When a variable cannot be measured, a scientist must make an assumption. Therein lays the rub. Whose assumptions do you trust?

I know one thing for certain. The water levels in Norfolk, va have risen about 5 inches since the 1920s based on historic flood levels in my neighborhood. That data was based on the casual observations of old timers with respect to the height and frequency of flooded basements and streets in my neighborhood.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by mister.old.school
reply to post by endisnighe
 


It's my belief that "carbon credits" and "carbon taxes" are nothing more than profit seeking attempts from corporations and governments seeking to capitalize on over-stated climate-change fears.

Is that clear enough?


I think that is the crux of the whole debate. Big fat star for you!



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
That is the sort of indoctrination that has been occurring in the western world when most people can't see what is happening as the Socialist/Communist agenda has been embraced without most people realizing what they really have been embracing.


Thanks for joining us, and focusing on the topic


Shortly ago I finally put together my 2008-2009 news roundup post dealing with all of the world heads of state calling for NWO style integration / global government, that I had meant to already do to accompany the video:

World Rulers Calling for Global NWO: 2009 In Review:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The debate of if there's a NWO is OVER!!!

Admit it, NWO Deniers!


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