www.ahavat-israel.com...
here's a page which promotes the 'greater israel' concept..
there are 8 different maps of just what should encompass the actual boundaries of the rightful Israel
some maps are duplicates but there is a ever larger progression of the boundaries...
the last few incorporate all of the Arab Peninsula and the eastern half of Egypt
much of the horn of africa too.
scary... and that type of Imperialism, Colonization is sure not a way to promote a peaceful existence with one's adjoining neighboring nations, eh?
1878-2003: Israel & Palestine in Maps, page 1
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Topic started on 7-12-2009 @ 04:53 PM by December_Rain
In this thread I hope to cover the history of Israel & Palestine through maps only. There are a total of 30 maps with 10 second gap.
Original Source:www.passia.org...
Thus, the illegal occupation and encroachment continues by Israel.
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Original Source:www.passia.org...
Thus, the illegal occupation and encroachment continues by Israel.
In late January, WikiLeaks released a 186 page secret Israeli Ministry of Defense database, which showed the full extent of illegal Israeli settlements in Gaza and the West Bank. A version of the document had first been obtained by the well regarded Israeli newspaper Haaretz. The leak made headlines, but its global political impact was limited by its presentation in Hebrew.
Subsequently the United States commissioned the Central Intelligence Agency's Open Source Center to translate the leak to English. The translation was not released by the CIA, but a copy was obtained by Stephen After good, editor of the US based Federation of American Scientist's Secrecy News and is presented here.
According to Haaretz, "An analysis of the data reveals that, in the vast majority of the settlements - about 75 percent - construction, sometimes on a large scale, has been carried out without the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued,", and "The database also shows that, in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian West Bank residents."
Here is the link to the report in pdf. version from WikiLeaks -
88.80.16.63...
If this is true which undoubtedly it is, then Israel knowingly is constructing illegal settlements breaking it's own and above all International laws. That would explain a piece of puzzle why US President Obama earlier this year sternly asked Israel to halt all settlement activities.
The extent of main stream media biasness is vivid example in this case which failed to report such a leakage. It posts more questions than answers, who is controlling the MSM? The answer is up to you...
Related threads: Secret Israeli Defence Millitary database shows full extent of illegal settlements
reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 09:35 PM by dontreally
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So now you're basing your argument on a map, made by some religious Zionist??? That's your proof of a secret Zionist master plan.
It never ceases to amaze me how thoroughly ignorant anti-Zionist are. You people can't even tell the difference between a secular Zionism, which is just another nationalism, which, in any case, is moving into its Post Zionism phase, and religious Zionism, the ones the secularists tried to usurp when Herzl wrote up his Jewish State.
The secularists have no intention at all in expanding Israel beyond it's present borders. In fact, it is mainly the secularists - which is the present government of Israel, and the government which founded the country (Labor, and Likud, Israel's two biggest parties, along with Kadima, are made up of non-religious secularists, who in fact try hard to quell any religious political efforts), who are willing to give up Judea and Samaria to the Palestinians for a state.
As for the other camp, the religious Zionists, who are indeed, good, law abiding, loving people, viciously misrepresented in Israel one way, and in another (conflated with regular, secular zionists) way by the international press, these Zionists probably do have a belief that Israel will expand to teh borders predicted by Ezekiel. From the Nile to Euphrates. Most would probably interpret it along the middle map, with greater Israel extending from the East bank of the Nile through the Sinai Peninsula to the Euphrates river. I have never seen it represented, and indeed, knowing religious Zionists, I have never heard anyone consider, taking the entire Arab peninsula.
The guy who made that final picture sure does have an ambitious plan for the middle East!
As far as I know, even though this is a religious belief of Jews, they are more than happy to have Judea and Samaria. Give them their ancient homeland, the "Westbank" as it is politically termed by the media (a term taken from the jordanians, who occupied the land 'west' of the Jordan' after the '48 war) and theyre happy.
Also, one more thought on the nile. The nile delta goes eastward towards the Sinaitic peninsula. In Exodus times (when the Torah was written) the Nile went into the Sinai, via smaller rivulets and lakes. Thus, the actual boundaries of the Greater Israel, as I've read many Rabbis argue, would be the whole Sinai Peninsula, Israel, Southern Lebanon, all of Jordan, and a small portion of south eastern Syria.
Anyways, If God will's it, it will happen. No need to get all worried about it. The Jewish "master plan" will always be contained by those two rivers - the nile and the Euphrates.
scary... and that type of Imperialism, Colonization is sure not a way to promote a peaceful existence with one's adjoining neighboring nations, eh?
So now you're basing your argument on a map, made by some religious Zionist??? That's your proof of a secret Zionist master plan.
It never ceases to amaze me how thoroughly ignorant anti-Zionist are. You people can't even tell the difference between a secular Zionism, which is just another nationalism, which, in any case, is moving into its Post Zionism phase, and religious Zionism, the ones the secularists tried to usurp when Herzl wrote up his Jewish State.
The secularists have no intention at all in expanding Israel beyond it's present borders. In fact, it is mainly the secularists - which is the present government of Israel, and the government which founded the country (Labor, and Likud, Israel's two biggest parties, along with Kadima, are made up of non-religious secularists, who in fact try hard to quell any religious political efforts), who are willing to give up Judea and Samaria to the Palestinians for a state.
As for the other camp, the religious Zionists, who are indeed, good, law abiding, loving people, viciously misrepresented in Israel one way, and in another (conflated with regular, secular zionists) way by the international press, these Zionists probably do have a belief that Israel will expand to teh borders predicted by Ezekiel. From the Nile to Euphrates. Most would probably interpret it along the middle map, with greater Israel extending from the East bank of the Nile through the Sinai Peninsula to the Euphrates river. I have never seen it represented, and indeed, knowing religious Zionists, I have never heard anyone consider, taking the entire Arab peninsula.
The guy who made that final picture sure does have an ambitious plan for the middle East!
As far as I know, even though this is a religious belief of Jews, they are more than happy to have Judea and Samaria. Give them their ancient homeland, the "Westbank" as it is politically termed by the media (a term taken from the jordanians, who occupied the land 'west' of the Jordan' after the '48 war) and theyre happy.
Also, one more thought on the nile. The nile delta goes eastward towards the Sinaitic peninsula. In Exodus times (when the Torah was written) the Nile went into the Sinai, via smaller rivulets and lakes. Thus, the actual boundaries of the Greater Israel, as I've read many Rabbis argue, would be the whole Sinai Peninsula, Israel, Southern Lebanon, all of Jordan, and a small portion of south eastern Syria.
Anyways, If God will's it, it will happen. No need to get all worried about it. The Jewish "master plan" will always be contained by those two rivers - the nile and the Euphrates.
reply posted on 21-12-2011 @ 09:51 PM by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by December_Rain
This old arguement again? Learn some history. There was no Palestine until Caesar Hadrian created it after the second failed jewish rebellion in 135 A.D., until that point it was called Israel. Let their Israelites have their land back. The final destruction of the ancient Roman Empire will not be complete until Palestine is forgotten and returned to Israel. The sooner you pro-palestine folks get that through your skulls the closer Israel will be to becoming whole again. If the paletinians want land they need to go back to Jordan where they came from.
This old arguement again? Learn some history. There was no Palestine until Caesar Hadrian created it after the second failed jewish rebellion in 135 A.D., until that point it was called Israel. Let their Israelites have their land back. The final destruction of the ancient Roman Empire will not be complete until Palestine is forgotten and returned to Israel. The sooner you pro-palestine folks get that through your skulls the closer Israel will be to becoming whole again. If the paletinians want land they need to go back to Jordan where they came from.
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