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Do you even realize that you don't know the meaning of the words?
The church Jesus is referring to in that verse is not at all talking about the "church". In the time of Jesus, a place of worship was called a synagogue or temple.
The church Jesus is establishing with peter is within a person. It is built out of that which is seen as rich in the eyes of god, wisdom and understanding. As such, it is present on earth, and in heaven as Jesus says.
It is also because these people have wisdom and understanding that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. " Even though the body may die.
And you have absolutely no room at ALL to accuse someone of repeating themselves in order to affirm their own positions. When you yourself have refused on multiple occasions to address verses and so forth that have been given to you.
apparently not like you.
Do you even know the father at all?
Originally posted by oliveoil
The verse I quoted is totally irrelevant from the point I was trying to make. I could have used any of the 111 verses that contain the word Church,I chose this one at random, And am not interested in debating what is meant by the word Church in the Bible.
LV has given me no reference to any Bible verses at all. Is this about you or her? I think I have made myself clear with you.
apparently not like you.
@Oliveoil, I have asked you before can you think outside the book ?
Jesus may have been one person or an amalgamation of many condensed into one "messiah."
So in saying that, is it the individual that is important or the message ?
And every other reference to it that you would mention are of Paul and so forth, outside Matthew 18. In the manner of Matthew 18, we are a "church" here and now on these forums.
Does anyone ever present their opinions in a context other than them being right? No. Every man(woman) will think they are right. That is a given. It should be understood and accepted as part of life. If any of us thought we were wrong, then we would simply change our minds.
Do you think the holy spirit just recites the Bible to you? Do you think the father will just read the bible to you?
That is what you don't seem to get. It's not just about the book. There are actual things you will experience. Take John 14:20 for example. "On that day, you will know". It's an actual experience. Certain things and events will happen to you etc
Respectfully I must disagree. The thread talks about meeting the "real" Jesus, I concede that it quotes your favorite book however.
I will tell you that if you regard personal philosophy as subservient to a wildly mistranslated, contradictory collection of historical writing mixed with fanciful "enhancements" and blatant propaganda, then I pity you.
Growth is painful, however it is necessary.
Your religion tells me I have freewill and yet its proponents condemn me for using it.
Isn't it about time you started asking yourself "What would Jesus do ?" and expand your thinking beyond simple acceptance of a system of control with an outdated manual ?
Paul wrote his own epistles and even signed them.You people should really do some research before posting.
I cannot disprove or prove the accounts of things that happened in the bible because I was not there to personally witness it. I have to take everything that is written as "the gospel truth" (sorry...couldn't resist), written by men that didn't put it down on paper till after the events happened. I think we can all agree that there was not a "scribe" walking around every moment jotting down the most current events of the day
You said we cant have a real debate until we both had clear understanding of what the Bible says. If we both had the same understandings of what it says, there would be no need of this entire conversation.