Originally posted by oliveoil
What do you think the whole point of GOD being born in the flesh was?
To spread nice words though people that cant even account for his existence.
profound to say the least.
God was born unto this world, suffered just like all of us,Then died for all of our sins.
for someone to say that Gods existence here on earth doesn't matter, Its his words that matter, is half delusional.
I think I proved my point. I hope you find the correct path.
Jesus came to earth in order to be the example on how to live and follow the commandments, in hopes that those who "believed" him would follow in
his footsteps and also walk the path.
Not that hard to understanding.
First, men were given the commandments/laws. But men still did not understand them really, and so they broke those commandments while thinking they
were doing things of god. That is the hypocrisy Jesus is always talking about.
They thought "eye for an eye". And so they would kill the man who killed. They thought they were justified in their actions, but they forgot -
"Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord".
Thus Jesus enters onto the scene, and shows people through understanding how to follow the commandments properly. How you were not justified in
those actions, those actions just made those people hypocrites.
So, when he says he is "the way", he is referring to his example being the way for all men to live. Jesus is not supposed to be the exception to
the rule, he is supposed to be the rule.
He speaks in parables to give understanding. This he is asked directly. He is asked - why do you speak in parables? And he talks about how those
with understanding can hear him when he does, but those without understanding can't.
Why is this understanding so important? You'll need to take a look at the OT.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth
And take a look at this. Notice it does NOT say knowledge of the holy is to memorize scripture.
Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 9 btw, is the last super, which is key
to understanding what Jesus truly represents.
By Jesus doing what he does, and showing the way, he also shows what is not the way. In the process, he shows what are god's laws, and what were the
laws of men.
If you believe that Jesus is the word in the flesh, then tell me how does the word in the flesh dieing save you? When all that is good in this
world has to be sacrificed ritual style, then what does that say about you?
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to
Repent means to fix/change. Sin means mistake. To repent fr your sins means to fix your mistakes. How can this be done? Only with
understanding - Psalm 111:10. And the understanding Jesus provides is what leads to salvation.
But you tell me that the father desires sacrifice, rather than understanding.
Oh, and what was Jesus talking about? He was quoting Hosea 6.
5Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
6For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
7But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.
8Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted with blood.
But you desire sacrifice and burnt offerings more than the knowledge of god - which is understanding. You preach dogma and acceptance, and try for
religious converts through fear tactics.
As you have no understanding, you are unable to keep the commandments and thus you work iniquity.
Keeping up with Hosea 6.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
But apparently all these things were said for nothing in your opinion. Because you believe all you need to do is believe he died for your sins.
The rest of this stuff is apparently all for nothing.
Never once does Jesus EVER tell anyone to believe he died on the cross for their sins. NEVER. In fact, when asked directly what one needs to do,
he tells them to walk the path. To keep the commandments and so forth.
If the claims of Christians are true in that regard, then why doesn't Jesus tell that to the rich man who comes to him? Joker Jesus? The rich man
believes Jesus is who he says he is. Does Jesus tell him not to worry, just believe he has come to die for his sins? NO. He tells that man to go
walk the path. That it is harder to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven. Why do you claim Jesus lied to that
But according to you and according to your religion, that rich man need not worry. He need only give a little money to the church, and believe
Jesus died on the cross for his sins, and all is well. Well, if you are of Jesus and follow Jesus, then why do you disagree with him?
Sorry, but you preach the broad path, one that even the rich man can walk. You reject what I say because you don't like what it means. Because it
surely is alot easier to praise the name of Jesus, and praise the idol than it is to actually follow the commandments and walk the path.
And it is for that reason that you will NEVER make anykind of real point, nor do you EVER have any chance of winning a debate with me. I have a fire
that comes from my tongue that you can not put out.