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Your Date With Destiny: Meeting the Real Jesus

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posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by oliveoil
Behold the agnostic doctrine of Bad Media. Complete without err.(lol)
To bad this belief does not support the bible and Biblical theology.However ,I give you an e for effort.


Just so you know, ridicule and such doesn't bother me at all. I got over those things as a child. I in no way seek your approval, and you only hurt your own arguments.


I was joking. I think it was really good, honestly. however, it does not support a biblical view.

And if you noticed, I have been quoting Jesus and Paul, As I recognize all scripture. I don't just cherry pick verses that support my own ideological view.




posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil

Behold the agnostic doctrine of Bad Media. Complete without err.(lol)
To bad this belief does not support the bible and Biblical theology.However ,I give you an e for effort.


I agree with Bad Media.

She is quoting Jesus - my only interest is in the words of Jesus.

She is direct and to the point.

The Bible is a pick and choose hatchet job of selected ancient texts. Anyone who doesn't read additional ancient scripts is not fully knowledgeable.



[edit on 18-12-2009 by Annee]



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by oliveoil

Behold the agnostic doctrine of Bad Media. Complete without err.(lol)
To bad this belief does not support the bible and Biblical theology.However ,I give you an e for effort.


I agree with Bad Media.

She is quoting Jesus - my only interest is in the words of Jesus.

She is direct and to the point.

The Bible is a pick and choose hatchet job of selected ancient texts. Anyone who doesn't read additional ancient scripts is not fully knowledgeable.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Annee]


Bad Media refuses to acknowledge everything except the four Gospels. FYI, Jesus and his presence is evident throughout the whole bible.

If it is the Father who taught Bad Media the things he/she says, why not except all the other books and view everything as a whole after all the Bible is the inspired word of God.

She/he keeps taking what Jesus says out of context to support his/her point of view, not the overall Bible point of view.

His /her views are agnostic which contradicts her own belief of Jesus' teachings.
Direct and to the point How? She's twisted everything she has said.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil


Bad Media refuses to acknowledge everything except the four Gospels. FYI, Jesus and his presence is evident throughout the whole bible.

If it is the Father who taught Bad Media the things he/she says, why not except all the other books and view everything as a whole after all the Bible is the inspired word of God.

She/he keeps taking what Jesus says out of context to support his/her point of view, not the overall Bible point of view.

His /her views are agnostic which contradicts her own belief of Jesus' teachings.
Direct and to the point How? She's twisted everything she has said.




Sorry - - I have been reading this thread from the beginning.

As far as I'm concerned - - I agree with Badmedia. I've read her posts - I've read your posts. I don't agree with your posts. I do agree with her posts.

Whatever she is saying - I've agreed with - - - even if I don't know detailed specifics of what belief/book or writing it came from.

And I agree that it is you who is stuck in a narrow vision with blinders - - not willing to see beyond your own point of view.

Besides - - in some posts I've had with you - - I also feel you twist things to fit your point of view.

You're gonna need to look for support from someone besides me.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Bad, isn't it funny how someone such as Annie( no offense) with absolutely no education of the Bible and of what is being said agrees with you.(this should be telling you something) I would like to see someone with any kind of Biblical knowledge weigh in Besides the ones who already have. Someone who sees things in a clear perspective. I guess that wont happen here on ATS any time soon.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by oliveoil]



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil
Bad, isn't it funny how someone such as Annie( no offense) with absolutely no education of the Bible and of what is being said agrees with you.(this should be telling you something) I would like to see someone with any kind of Biblical knowledge weigh in Besides the ones who already have. Someone who sees things in a clear perspective. I guess that wont happen here on ATS any time soon.




Matthew 13

1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.


In other words, it's about as "funny" as the Pharisees who didn't understand Jesus, but how many people who were not versed as well in the scripture were able to hear/understand Jesus.

If someone understands me or doesn't, then it is not of my doing. I can only throw the seeds, if the land is fertile is not my doing. But sometimes a land is fertile, it just takes a little more work before the seed will grow.




[edit on 12/18/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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There's a good example - right there.

Where did I say I had no education of the bible? I never said that.

I was an assimilated Christian too. I was brought up in Christianity - - although I was encouraged to find my own path.

I am not as studied as Badmedia. Big difference.

Besides - - - words are mans.

Guidance comes from the Spirit from inside ones self. I agree with what is right for me - - and in reading it is Badmedia who I agree with.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil
Someone who sees things in a clear perspective. I guess that wont happen here on ATS any time soon.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by oliveoil]


Dont you know anyone who has such a perspective that you could ask to join the discussion ? Its in below top secret now so its less cooky to bring someone here. The thread has been very informative it would be nice to see it continue.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil
Bad, isn't it funny how someone such as Annie( no offense) with absolutely no education of the Bible and of what is being said agrees with you.


By the way - - I will not be used.

This is your battle. Fight it with your own knowledge.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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Yes, I agree, the thread has been very informative and it would really be a sad thing to see it die. I am enjoying all the information that badmedia is bringing to the discussion and he has helped all of us have an understanding that we didn't have before.'

Oliveoil brings us her knowledge of the Bible Scriptures but she knows little else of other writings that have much wisdom also. Does that make them wrong........because they are not included in the Bible? One needs knowledge of ALL information.

We need to remember to keep a spiritual mind while seeking along with a spiritual heart and descerning eyes to know what is good from evil.

Gaining wisdom and spiritual enlightenment is a lifelong adventure with some surprises around the corner once in a while. Stay alert, as Peter tells us. The enemy is like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
Our spirit sings a beautiful song when we are in tune with God's spirit.

Peace,
Grandma



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Grandma

I am enjoying all the information that badmedia is bringing to the discussion and he has helped all of us have an understanding that we didn't have before.'



Thank you Grandma.

I kept referring to Badmedia as a she - - - and it did not feel right.

Now I know.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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I just want to say something.

The same scriptures interpreted from the perspective of Jesus the Light Being would have different meaning.

Kind of a 3rd viewpoint.

As I am nanny to my 2 year old grandson who's father died of Leukemia 2 years ago Christmas morning. My focus and dedication to detailed discussion of my perspective is spotty and limited.

But I still wanted to offer and include that perspective.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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Go on then, but please make it readable.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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When someone is seeking within with a humbled heart and honest thoughts and intentions, they dont need to know a book to know when someone is speaking wisdom to them.

If one is in tune, they will know the fruit by the vine they have bloomed from.

Its all about knowing the nature of spirit...through a seeking between flesh and spirit, one can truly know wisdom if it sings to their core being.

Seeking within takes a open mind...for some this is hard or considered not safe, they fear it.

Books are great for knowledge....but to find natures within the book, it must be discerned. We have to discern what unblemished means, what holy means, what divine means. One needs to understand WHY God wouldnt leave all the answers in a book. It doesnt men spiritual men didnt leave great knowledge for us, but be cautious, for there is knowledge of carnal ways...dont blemish God with such things....Thee is Holy. When one knows how carnal men act...one can begin to find the nature of God within all things. The history of God is within many books that enlightened men were written about within. Hardly ever though do we have first hand accounts of someone in history that far back. Dont ever forget, Rome had an agenda during those times.

Many different cultures were waiting on a king to be born, a god in the flesh, a peace bringer. The idea of a god being born into the flesh was not a new idea separate from the Bible. Many traditions in the OT were already being used in other beliefs. Blood sacrifices were popular amongst all of those different faiths.

Some of the Bible is a belief system being created by men that left a land. Personally, I believe those men were Egyptian's and Egyptian Priest who brought with them out of Egypt many mysteries and the belief in one God.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Oliveoil brings us her knowledge of the Bible Scriptures but she knows little else of other writings that have much wisdom also. Does that make them wrong........because they are not included in the Bible? One needs knowledge of ALL information.

With all do respect, First off Oliveoil is a he not a she.When everyone thinks of the name they think of the famous cartoon character,However that's not why I chose the name.

Second, I am indeed aware of other writings and am very knowledgeable of quite a few.In fact the Bible I use contains the Apocrypha.It's a shame that other books did not "make it" in to the Bible but understandably they were not canonized for good reason.

The title of your thread Date with destiny,Meeting the Real Jesus implies that we are speaking of Jesus, the one in the Bible, Not ones own interpretation of who they think God is.

Any one can use their imagination of what they think good or love is and apply it to Jesus and God. but by doing so, they are not taking into account what the Bible says about God and Jesus.

There is not enough time in the day,month,year,or a lifetime to know everything there is to know and to theorize about what the Bible teaches about god.That's why it seems so odd to me when people reject what the Bible says, or try to make sense of things they cant possibly understand without reading it and thinking about what is said first.

In Bads case, yes he( Thanks for clearing this up) has focused in on Jesus' teachings (which is great) but has left out 96 % of the rest of the book.By doing so he has lost much insight which was meant for us (I believe) to have.My reasoning is that if someone doesn't acknowledge the rest of the book as truth how can he possibly recognize the Gospels as truth.Its all intertwined together, from the first page to the last.Jesus' teachings are very important but it is the Bible in its entirety that we must consider.

Merry Christmas.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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Its all about knowing the nature of spirit


please expand on your view.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by gYvMessanger

Originally posted by oliveoil
Someone who sees things in a clear perspective. I guess that wont happen here on ATS any time soon.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by oliveoil]


Dont you know anyone who has such a perspective that you could ask to join the discussion ? Its in below top secret now so its less cooky to bring someone here. The thread has been very informative it would be nice to see it continue.


Point is no one can have a clear perspective with out being bias to one or the other or none. Sure, I know people who are highly intelligent who can explain exactly what is being said and the history behind as to the meaning however,I feel they would only leave our heads spinning and left with more questions than the ones already being addressed. I think the best way to address these issues is by taking the middle of the road approach and to consider all what is said in the Bible, and view it as a whole.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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What it comes down to is you do not understand or believe that anyone can get knowledge of the holy outside the bible/scripture. You think that I am just using my imagination to say the things that I have, and you deny that I have gotten my understanding from the father.

This in spite of the numerous occasions where you own bible talks about it happening.



Mark 11

30 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.

31And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him?

32But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed.


You don't believe that I was baptized by heaven. You instead insist that I MUST be baptized by men. You insist that I must take everything man has ever said, as being more important than that which the father taught me.

Which is fine, I wouldn't believe me either. I don't blame people for not believing me. But don't tell me you believe that I know the father, but then turn around and believe me not in what I say. The truth is, you don't believe that I know the father, because if you did then you would listen up.

But there is no way in the world I'm going to reject that which the father has given me over what the bible says. Now, if you can show me how those bible verses are misunderstood, and show me an understanding that is in line with what the father has taught me, then I am all ears. I'll give you an example of this - the tower of babel. At first when I read that, it seemed "bad". But after a bit of thought and such, I can understand why it's not bad at all, and the reason behind it.

You however do not offer any understanding. You quote those verses in a dogmatic way, and then fault me for not accepting it. When the entire reason I do not accept them in the first place is because they are in DIRECT conflict with what the father taught me. When I talk about Paul, they are not just things which "I do not like". They are examples of EXACTLY what the father taught me NOT to do.


[edit on 12/19/2009 by badmedia]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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What it comes down to is you do not understand or believe that anyone can get knowledge of the holy outside the bible/scripture.


Okay, Lets stop right here and please explain to everyone What is this Knowledge of the Holy, people such as you have obtained? Is it knowledge of the scriptures and how to interpret them?If so, is it all scriptures or only a select few? Is it knowledge of the being God himself. Is it knowledge of man.Is it knowledge of Jesus? Is it knowledge of the end of the world? Is it knowledge of what is true and what is not according to the scriptures?

Which is it? Please answer very clearly.



[edit on 19-12-2009 by oliveoil]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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Many have been trying to explain that there is milk and food. The food comes through understanding of the milk. It is not another job to show all understandings to each other, for that again, like the bible, would defeat the purpose of each individual seeking that personal relation to learn from the holy spirit.

Only so much can be given between men....the rest is up to the individual themselves to seek understanding.

This is why all the mysteries of spiritual understandings will not ever be found in one book.

I would love to give a general run to all in this thread of 'discernment'. Let me make a statement and tell me according to your inner being if this statement resonates with your spirit. Dont use a book to discern it, use your spirit.

A statement on a way to understand where the Holy Spirit of God is....."Cut a tree, I am there.....Lift a rock, you will find me"

Does it make sense with your inner being that God can be found inside a tree....Does it make sense that God can be found under a rock??



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