Originally posted by randolrs1
1. We first need to establish that there was a Jesus Christ.
Actually, no you don't. In the end, it does not even matter if he was real or not.
The "truth" of Jesus can be found in his words and what he says and does. It is only by understanding of what he says that you will know 1 way or
another. So, instead of focusing on if "Jesus is real" or not, focus on "Is what he says true and right". Then you will start to
The smartest thing I ever did was remove god from religion and religious people. Then I started to understand.
I think of it like the Matrix movie. Is Neo and the Machines literally real? No. But the "Truth" of that movie is not found in the literal,
it's found in what it expresses - for those who can understand it. If you understand the philosophy in the matrix, then it was a movie that said
alot of truth about things. If you do not understand, then you got a movie with cool CGI.
To argue over if the matrix is literally real is to miss the entire point, and the same is true with Jesus.
I have no trouble believing such a person did exist. But that is not the real point of it. It's the understanding that he speaks of and lives
that is the real truth. Jesus is the "truth" because he lives it, not the other way around. It isn't the truth because Jesus did it.
The majority of Christians are on the same level as arguing over if the matrix is literally real or not. Which is why I don't consider myself
2. Is the account of Jesus Christ from the Holy Bible accurate?
Very similar stories of the son of God sent to save humanity (and many other striking symmetries) exist in many other (and older) documents.
If you have understanding, then to know these answers should be no different than taking a math test. You should know NOT because you memorized the
words, or memorized 1+1=2, but instead because you understand. When you have understanding, then you will know if something is a true expression or
This is what Jesus means by let those with ears hear. Not that people were all walking around with no ears, but those who could understand him.
True understanding is universal, just like math is. So that other cultures have the same understandings in general is not a bad/wrong thing at all.
Just different expressions of the same understanding. A rose by any other name still smells the same. Christians says 1+1=2, another may say
Only those without understanding would find it odd. Why? Because they only memorized. So just like a math test, when something doesn't match
your memorization then you may think it wrong. And it becomes the devil, and then they start doing evil things etc. But, if they have
understanding, then they know both 1+1=2 and 2+2=4 are expressions of the same understanding.
If an American Indian says "Great Spirit". I know what they are talking about. I don't express that understanding with the same words, but it's
actually no different than 2 languages having 2 words to describe "tree". And the fact that this understanding is universal among so many
cultures should be clue there is truth in it. It is by that which you know.
I recommend checking out proverbs 8 and 9. It says directly - "knowledge of the holy is understanding". It says forsake the foolish(those who
only memorize) and go in the way of understanding.
Like Einstein said - Any fool can know, the point is to understand. And he was talking about more things than just what the bible says.
Don't think for a minute Christianity represents Jesus. It is the opposite of Jesus. If it represented and did as Jesus, what would be the need
in him coming back?
3. Is the truth of reality such that any of what is claimed in the Holy Bible is even possible?
Yes, but only by understanding. You are not supposed to accept things, you are supposed to understand them. It is by understanding that people
are able to keep the commandments(and when you understand them, you have no problem with why to keep them).
Also, the bible contains both sides. But only those with understanding will be able to see that. If you don't have understanding, then you
accept it all even the contradictions and you are blind and can be lead astray. If you have understanding, then right and wrong in the bible will
be as clear as if 1 part said 1+1=2, and another part said 4+2=2.
Now those are questions I think everyone should answer for themselves, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Beyond the need for faith. For your sake I hope
that you have.
You just need to understand what Jesus represents is all. Will a literal being named "Jesus" come to earth? Beats me, I'd be pretty skeptical
honestly. The father is found within and so forth. But if such an event does happen, then it will only be based on understanding and what that
being does that the truth will be known of them.
But what that really represents is a time when the truth rules the earth, where people follow the way and keep the commandments. A time when men are
no longer manipulated and so forth. And when this will happen, I do not know. But it HAS to eventually happen. No question about it. Evil
will rule this world until the entire world knows and understands the truth, the way and what is life and what is dead(it's not what you think).
So will it happen? It has too eventually.
With respect to your main point, I must respectfully disagree. I consider that the belief that salvation will come from outside has led to man's
lack of responsibility for his own condition. A planet armed to the brink of insanity and the starvation of billions is the obvious result.
It doesn't come from the outside. Ultimately, the father is within and all understanding comes from the father. The events of this world today
when it gets soo bad are exactly the events that wake people up and brings about the understanding and so forth.
You put your finger on a stove eye. It is going to burn you. If you refuse to remove your finger, it will continue to burn you. But the
moment you remove your finger, the burning starts to stop. You will still feel the effects of that for some time(reaping what you sowed), but
you've learned your lesson and so the healing begins.
If it does not happen and people do not wake up, then it will be no different than people who keep their finger on the stove eye. Now according
to the bible, these would be those who reject the truth after the return of Jesus(return of truth). Like if someone came along and said - hey man,
if you take your finger off the stove eye, it will quit burning you. And you said - ahh whatever, and kept doing it anyway.
Why do I think it will happen? Because it happened to me. I use to be an atheist, and I didn't learn or accept any religion. Jesus and the bible
were the furthest things on my mind at the time, but I can not deny that after I read Jesus - I knew without a doubt he was telling the truth.
But don't confuse that with Christianity please. The blood sacrifice is a lie and a satanic ritual IMO. It is to say that the truth must die in
order for these people to live. If the truth must die in order for you to live, then what does that say of you? What really happened is the truth
was murdered by those who live in the lie in order to keep their lie going, and thus their power.
The problem is, what if you, along with 1 billion other people, are wrong? [I won't address the likelihood]. It seems that man has always been
waiting for someone to come save us from ourselves, yet few have thought to take responsibility and solve the barbarism that afflicts us.
It's not about accepting a religion. If you read Jesus, then you will see that he actually scolds the Pharisees for doing nothing more than getting
religious converts, by making them accept instead of understand and then turning them into a "child of hell".
What is being said is much deeper than what is on the surface. Always remember that we as humans are reduced to only being able to express
understandings. We can not give each other understanding directly. There is no way for me to just transport the understanding of math to you.
All I can do is express that math as 1+1=2, and hope that based on that expression you will know the understanding that is being expressed. In that
case it is deeper than the 1+1=2, it's the understanding I am speaking that I am really trying to convey. And these things are not any different
We live in a critical time. The means of destruction have become such that they can extinguish virtually all life on Earth. Yet we wait for
Maybe we need a new game plan.
You accept the same authorities those Christians do, no matter if you realize it or not. Because you allow those same authorities to be the ones
to define these topics for you. To those who crave power, they do not care if you "believe" or not. Just so long as you have allowed them to
define "God" for you, to define "Jesus" for you. Because no matter what you opinion is on it either way, you've accepted what they've said
as the authority on the topic, and your opinion is based only on that acceptance.
But it's not all doom and gloom like some Christians make it out to be. You only need to decieve good people, bad ones would do it knowing the
truth. So once people come to understanding, then they will accept it and remove the finger from the stove eye.
I can go into more detail on these things if you would like. You have no idea how badly mindscrewed people are. But such is the price of learning
good and evil.