Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Extant Taxon

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An excerpt I find definitely troubling-

Declining youth populations in Western societies could become increasingly dissatisfied with their economically burdensome ‘baby-boomer’ elders, among whom much of societies’ wealth would be concentrated. Resentful at a generation whose values appear to be out of step with tightening resource constraints, the young might seek a return to an order provided by more conservative values and structures. This could lead to a civic renaissance, with strict penalties for those failing to fulfil their social obligations. It might also open the way to policies which permit euthanasia as a means to reduce the burden of care for the elderly.

That last sentence pretty much opens the way to death panels.

So it begins.

I will download those and read them in depth, thanks for that. Or maybe not.

"It is extremely difficult to escape the mechanically repeated suggestions of everyday life. Even when our critical mind rejects them, they seduce us into doing what our intellect tells us is stupid." "The mechanization of modern life has already influenced man to become more passive and to adjust himself to ready-made conformity. No longer does man think in personal values, following more his own conscience and ethical evaluations; he thinks more and more in the values brought to him by mass media." Dr. Joost Meerloo Technniques of Mass Submission from his classic: The Rape of the Mind

Originally posted by Extant Taxon
reply to post by LiveForever8

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Yeah, it's a film to watch for sure. The dialogue in that scene is profound, truly enlightening stuff.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

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The remarks made in that scene about New York City as the concentration camp the inmates themselves built, allied to your comments, do make me think of the Agenda 21 document, which does put forward the idea of highly concentrated, populous cities to take away 'urban sprawl' from the countryside. They use some interesting language throughout the document that never quite explicitly states that they want to amass the masses in concentration camp style ghetto cities, but it's what they're aiming for, as kind of indicated in the following:

Excerpt from Agenda 21:

Chapter 7 -PROMOTING SUSTAINABLE HUMAN SETTLEMENT DEVELOPMENT (c) Encouraging intermediate city development 7.18.
In order to relieve pressure on large urban agglomerations of developing countries, policies and strategies should be implemented towards the development of intermediate cities that create employment opportunities for unemployed labour in the rural areas and support rural-based economic activities, although sound urban management is essential to ensure that urban sprawl does not expand resource degradation over an ever wider land area and increase pressures to convert open space and agricultural/buffer lands for development.
7.19. Therefore all countries should, as appropriate, conduct reviews of urbanization processes and policies in order to assess the environmental impacts of growth and apply urban planning and management approaches specifically suited to the needs, resource capabilities and characteristics of their growing intermediate-sized cities. As appropriate, they should also concentrate on activities aimed at facilitating the transition from rural to urban lifestyles and settlement patterns and at promoting the development of small-scale economic activities, particularly the production of food, to support local income generation and the production of intermediate goods and services for rural hinterlands.
7.20. All cities, particularly those characterized by severe sustainable development problems, should, in accordance with national laws, rules and regulations, develop and strengthen programmes aimed at addressing such problems and guiding their development along a sustainable path. Some international initiatives in support of such efforts, as in the Sustainable Cities Programme of Habitat and the Healthy Cities Programme of WHO, should be intensified. Additional initiatives involving the World Bank, the regional development banks and bilateral agencies, as well as other interested stakeholders, particularly international and national representatives of local authorities, should be strengthened and coordinated. Individual cities should, as appropriate:
a. Institutionalize a participatory approach to sustainable urban development, based on a continuous dialogue between the actors involved in urban development (the public sector, private sector and communities), especially women and indigenous people;
b. Improve the urban environment by promoting social organization and environmental awareness through the participation of local communities in the identification of public services needs, the provision of urban infrastructure, the enhancement of public amenities and the protection and/or rehabilitation of older buildings, historic precincts and other cultural artifacts. In addition, "green works" programmes should be activated to create self-sustaining human development activities and both formal and informal employment opportunities for low-income urban residents;
c. Strengthen the capacities of their local governing bodies to deal more effectively with the broad range of developmental and environmental challenges associated with rapid and sound urban growth through comprehensive approaches to planning that recognize the individual needs of cities and are based on ecologically sound urban design practices;
d. Participate in international "sustainable city networks" to exchange experiences and mobilize national and international technical and financial support;
e. Promote the formulation of environmentally sound and culturally sensitive tourism programmes as a strategy for sustainable development of urban and rural settlements and as a way of decentralizing urban development and reducing discrepancies among regions;
f. Establish mechanisms, with the assistance of relevant international agencies, to mobilize resources for local initiatives to improve environmental quality;
g. Empower community groups, non-governmental organizations and individuals to assume the authority and responsibility for managing and enhancing their immediate environment through participatory tools, techniques and approaches embodied in the concept of environmental care. 7.21. Cities of all countries should reinforce cooperation among themselves and cities of the developed countries, under the aegis of non-governmental organizations active in this field, such as the International Union of Local Authorities (IULA), the International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) and the World Federation of Twin Cities.
E. Promoting sustainable energy and transport systems in human settlements
7.52. Promoting efficient and environmentally sound urban transport systems in all countries should be a comprehensive approach to urban-transport planning and management. To this end, all countries should:
a. Integrate land-use and transportation planning to encourage development patterns that reduce transport demand;
b. Adopt urban-transport programmes favouring high-occupancy public transport in countries, as appropriate;
c. Encourage non-motorized modes of transport by providing safe cycleways and footways in urban and suburban centres in countries, as appropriate;
d. Devote particular attention to effective traffic management, efficient operation of public transport and maintenance of transport infrastructure;

f. Re-evaluate the present consumption and production patterns in order to reduce the use of energy and national resources.

[edit on 7/12/09 by Extant Taxon]

It's too bad you posted a link that forces people to log into or even open a FaceBook account in order to download this document.

Here is the link to download from the UN.com website it's self. the Agenda 21 document

If the link goes down in the near future head on over to Take Out Cinema .com where we will be producing a whole show on this subject in the near future.