reply to post by SorensDespair
He clearly holds contempt toward anyone who holds their beliefs, man or woman.
he and I have been through this before - with the burka
it's an argument he clings to - but his entire argument defending the rights of women can't be made without simultaneously arguing against Muslim
I wonder what kind of argument he might make if there were no burkas - no restrictive dress - no such thing - and all Muslim women dressed as we dress
here in the west?
how would poet1b feel about Islam if how Muslim women dressed were not even an issue?
To Poet's other points:
Christianity = serve the community?
Islam = build a fortress and don't let anyone in?
yes - poet1b on self-segregation...
By segregating themselves, they create the division, and the hostility that division creates.
chicken or the egg?
here where I live - after 9/11 the Muslims disappeared - almost - don't want to exaggerate
but they were all but absent from the places they used to frequent regularly
wasn't exactly a welcoming environment - I wonder if a welcoming environment would make a difference?
Funny, wasn't it during the crusades that Christians walled off Jerusalem and didn't let anyone in, then when Saladin retook Jerusalem, he let
everyone (Jews, Christians and Muslims) in?
well - I wasn't there :-)
and I'm no historian - but I take your point
here's something that bothers me - and will for quite some time
I had a Muslim woman as my manager once (you will be greatly relieved to hear poet1b that she dressed as we dress here in the west)
She and her husband both practicing Muslims - but living here for some time - 3 children born and raised here - tax paying - solid American citizens
- nice neighborhood...
the day of 9/11 - the very same day and not more than 12 hours after the attacks - people were throwing things at their house - calling with threats -
ringing their doorbell in the middle of the night...painting things on their house
not 12 hours later - so the hostility was already there - and waiting for them
their lifestyle was no different from mine
they spent the following few days huddled in the middle of their home - away from all doors and windows - terrified
her young son - in the months after - was a very troubled little boy - nightmares - afraid to go outside - because the other little boys where he went
to school were calling him a terrorist and a murderer
and his mother was coming in to work less frequently - but when she did I saw her crying
not much else I can say about that
and that's just the one story
[edit on 12/9/2009 by Spiramirabilis]