The Islam Conspiracy

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst is my motto.

Honestly, I thing we will find our way forward, I just hope we can do it peacefully.

I think by spilling all of our hatred and dislike of each other out up front from the beginning, we have a better chance of finding a peaceful solution.

reply to post by whatukno


Great Post!

I am against man-made religions because they cause war, hatred, disasociation - in fact, the devil loves man-made religions.

Ok, so religion is bad m'kay.

Now for a solution to the Islam 7 phase plan to attack America that will make 911 look like a cakewalk. Anyone want some solutions and what their role will be when it happens?

What part would you have played in Katrina? Hurricane Andrew or even if you were in NYC on 911?

reply to post by JJay55


I think that we are all fully aware that yes there are extremist Muslims in the world that do want to do harm to the west. We get it, you don't have to keep reminding us of this fact. There is a dangerous element that does exist. That is not the point of this thread.

The point is, not every Muslim is an extremist. Every burka clad woman does not also wear a suicide vest. Every mosque does not preach death to America. The point of this thread was to show that there is a distinct separation between the Religion and the zealots.

It's like, not every Republican is a bible thumping, gun toting, nut case. Not every Democrat is a welfare recipient.

Right now on ATS there are at least 3 different threads calling for the destruction of the US government via violent means. Does this mean that every conspiracy theorist is a Anti-Government, bomb building, Timothy McVeigh supporter? Of course not. There is a distinction.

Religion is not bad, it's when people take it too far that it becomes bad. You can take anything too far. When you do it becomes evil.

Hiraba means that muslims should use any means to cause violence and destruction in an effort to remove non-muslims in dar ul Harb. So any little act of terrorism is legal and approved under Sharia Law.
Here are 2 possible examples that are consistent with other worldwide incidents like the Paris car burning and various factory fires on the east coast of the US.
apnews.myway.com...
"HOUSTON (AP) - A four-foot pile of ash and charred debris is all that remains of the Rodriguez family's two-story garage, which had been stuffed with tools, machinery, couches and appliances when a mysterious fire ripped through it earlier this month.
It was the 22nd arson that has taken place since August in a historic Houston neighborhood called the Heights, known more for its comforting small-town feel in the midst of big city sprawl than for being the center of criminal activity."

www.cnn.com...
"(CNN) -- Local and state authorities in Northampton, Massachusetts, are investigating a string of suspicious fires that killed two people and left residents shaken, officials said Sunday.
In just more than an hour early Sunday, five structures -- including a single-family residence -- burned, in addition to "numerous cars," district attorney Betsy Scheibel told a news conference that included fire and police officials and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick."

Cells that were included in the NYC, Denver, and Toronto recent round ups include Houston and Boston.

Hirabas intent is to pick apart slowly the infidel with incidents that are unsuspecting and covert. Ft Hood was another example. Be aware and be vigilant.

reply to post by JJay55

Originally posted by JJay55
Hiraba means that muslims should use any means to cause violence and destruction in an effort to remove non-muslims in dar ul Harb. So any little act of terrorism is legal and approved under Sharia Law.

JJay, I got to say, as politely as I possibly can, that you obviously really know nothing about Islam. I'd explain it all to you, but I get the feeling that you wouldn't really trust/care about anything I'd say (you can still PM if you are serious about understanding the truth). Instead, I'd recommend that you begin with researching (a simple internet search may even suffice) what "hiraba" means in relation to Islam. That will make a good starting point.

Once again, I'm amazed at how the OPs point on a possible conspiracy is proved again and again. Anyhow, Good luck!

1) When a Muslim murders somebody, he did it because he is a Muslim.

2) When an Atheist murders somebody, he did it because he doesn't believe in God.

3) When a Jew murders somebody, he did it to defend himself.

4) When a Christian murders somebody, well he is not really a Christian, he only says he is, the truth is, he is either an Atheist or a Muslim. Coz Christians are like Jews, they are incapable of sinning.


See the hypocrisy???

reply to post by boniknik


Yeah, but only Islam promises 72 virgins in heaven.

Blow yourself up for Islam and you get all these virgins in heaven!

Wow, that is the most messed up thing I have ever heard.

Although the idea of a forty year old man marrying a 9 year old girl is a very close second.

The word of a woman is only half as good as the word of a man?

Women who do not cover themselves from head to toe and dare to go out without a male escort are free game for rape?

Yeah, how dare we question people with beliefs such as this!

Sure, I want such people as this moving in next door.

reply to post by poet1b

Your not doing much but proving 'nik's point. It is like the middle ages all over again. 'They' are the 'Other'guys, so obviously they're wrong, and most probably they're the 'bad guys' as well. There's no point learning any of the details, because they're the bad guys, so all the details would 'obviously' show that they're wrong. India is still full of headless torso-monsters, africa is full of cannibals, and if you go far enough south, 'here be dragons'.

The very fact that you think Islam is any of there things shows that you can't be bothered with any of the details. I'm not even sure as to my purpose responding to you, because it seems you are (mentally or through the ignore feature) ignoring me. I guess it got difficult to be constantly barraged with the truth.

reply to post by babloyi

Are you a college professor who teaches world religion? Ok, maybe you can explain it to me. Thanks.

reply to post by babloyi


Crikey.
Oh the mystery about the truth of Islam.
Yes we all can see the truth clearly, thanks for offering nothing to enlighten.

reply to post by babloyi


Crikey.
Oh the mystery about the truth of Islam.
Yes we all can see the truth clearly, thanks for offering nothing to enlighten.

reply to post by JJay55

Offering nothing? Have you looked up 'hiraba' yet? Understand what it means? It doesn't take an islamic scholar with some 'secret truth' about islam to figure it out. It just takes an internet connection and basic knowledge of searching before you'd be laughing at the absurdity of your last post, or cursing at the inability to edit your last post to save yourself embarrassment.

I'm just marvelling at your absolute willingness to denigrate something where -forget not having the whole truth- what you have isn't the truth at all!

[edit on 29-12-2009 by babloyi]

Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by JJay55

 

Offering nothing? Have you looked up 'hiraba' yet? Understand what it means? It doesn't take an islamic scholar with some 'secret truth' about islam to figure it out. It just takes an internet connection and basic knowledge of searching before you'd be laughing at the absurdity of your last post, or cursing at the inability to edit your last post to save yourself embarrassment.

I'm just marvelling at your absolute willingness to denigrate something where -forget not having the whole truth- what you have isn't the truth at all!

[edit on 29-12-2009 by babloyi]

Obviously you are just here to bash me so have a great time with that.

reply to post by JJay55

I really am not. I'm simply asking you to check up what you say before you say it. I'm sure you don't WANT to be posting stuff that isn't true.

Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by JJay55

 

I really am not. I'm simply asking you to check up what you say before you say it. I'm sure you don't WANT to be posting stuff that isn't true.

you're trying to explain the wrong person dude.No matter how much you tell her about islam Jjay will not accept it.

reply to post by babloyi


Islam is exactly how I describe.

I am not the one living in the middle ages, the people who follow the beliefs and practices I describe are the ones still living in the Middle Ages.

It is not about attacking the other guys, it is about facing reality.

You don't ignore the fact that your neighbor constantly abuses his wife!

The burqa and the hijab are clear signs of abuse.

Your personal attacks against me do not change the reality of the situation.

How can you continue to support the extremists who treat their women in this manner?

reply to post by merkava


WRONG!

You are the one who chooses to embrace denial of the reality.

You seem to think you can close your eyes and it will all go away, that it is just a bad dream.

Meanwhile in the Middle East they continue to treat the word of a woman as half as valuable as the word of a man, and they continue to beat women for putting themselves in a position where they were raped.

Oh, and they continue to sell girls into sexual slavery.

These are the things you are defending.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by merkava

 

WRONG!

You are the one who chooses to embrace denial of the reality.

You seem to think you can close your eyes and it will all go away, that it is just a bad dream.

Meanwhile in the Middle East they continue to treat the word of a woman as half as valuable as the word of a man, and they continue to beat women for putting themselves in a position where they were raped.

Oh, and they continue to sell girls into sexual slavery.

These are the things you are defending.

So whats 'reality' according to you?

All muslims are terrorist and all muslim men want to turn their women into sexual slaves?

I think i rather stick to my own reality than discriminating against 1/4 population of this planet.

Originally posted by poet1b
Islam is exactly how I describe.

No, it is not. This is why I said you were ignorant of Islam. It isn't a personal attack, it is a fact.

You don't ignore the fact that your neighbor constantly abuses his wife!

And you certainly shouldn't. But what has that to do with Islam?

The burqa and the hijab are clear signs of abuse.

Not this again!
Clear signs of abuse, is it? Despite all that I've showed you? It really seems that you've got some block that when you see someone in a hijab or burqa screams out 'Abuse! Abuse! Oppression!', without acknowledging the person themself. You should try getting over this problem.

How can you continue to support the extremists who treat their women in this manner?

Hahah! Way to put this on me. Nowhere am I supporting any kind of extremists. In this very thread I'm confronting a certain type of extremist.