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Virtually every major Western leader has over the past several years expressed the view that Islam is a peaceful religion and that those who commit violence in its name are fanatics who misinterpret its tenets. This claim, while widely circulated, rarely attracts serious public examination. Relying primarily on Islam’s own sources, this documentary demonstrates that Islam is a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government.
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Second, even freedom of religion has its limits. What if your neighbor decided to take up the religion of the ancient Aztecs, and started sacrificing people in his backyard, should that be allowed under freedom of religion?
Forcing women to wear the burqa is supporting radical Islam, so yes, you do support radical Islam.
Supporting the right of an Islamic organization to declare sovereignty over the community, and building fortresses is supporting radical Islam.
Every step of the way you have defended the barbaric practices of Muslims
Is it your claim that all the women who state that they were forced to dress in this barbaric manner were liars? Don't you have sympathy for the women who were ostracized from their families, facing death, for refusing to wear the restrictive clothing? Have you even bothered to look at the other side of the argument.
Why are you against freedom of speech?
It seems that you do not support freedom of religion. Have you ever asked one of these women if they chose to wear a burqa? Of course not because,
I support liberty by demanding that Islamic women in the U.S. are free from the bondage of the veil, by pushing to have this barbaric form of dress banned. Allow these forms of dress for religious events and holidays, but other wise, no.
You do know that women put bombs under those large veils and blow themselves up in public places don't you?
They want to take us over form the inside out by way of "multiculturalism".
Muslim radicalization gains momentum in US: analysts
WASHINGTON — Long-feared by US intelligence, Muslim radicalization is gaining momentum in the United States, hit by a spate of recent cases featuring youths recruited and trained overseas for jihad, analysts say. The latest case -- five US nationals arrested in Pakistan Wednesday on suspicion of plotting an attack -- deepened concern that militant Islamist groups are successfully enlisting potential attackers inside the United States, much as they have in Britain. "We also as a community realize there is a problem," Nihad Awad told reporters in announcing that his organization, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), had steered worried parents of the five to the FBI. He and others insisted the problem involved only a small minority of the Muslim community in the United States, but the implications remain disquieting because of how easily US nationals can move across borders or within the United States. Related article: FBI questions terror suspects
While many authorities say that Islamic religious tradition does not sanction honor killing, it has long been accepted in many Muslim societies all the same. Perpetrators are typically punished lightly, if at all. In 2003, Jordan's parliament overwhelmingly defeated a proposal to impose harsher penalties for honor killings; Islamists objected on the grounds that more severe punishment would violate religious traditions and damage Jordanian society. It is appalling that such lethally barbaric attitudes persist anywhere - all the more so now that the shame of honor killing has made its way here.
muslim girl Aqsa Parvez killed for not wearing hijab
While fathers are commonly responsible for honor killings, they often act in concert with their daughters' brothers, uncles, and even female relatives. For infringements upon a Muslim daughter's "honor" constitute the greatest humiliation possible to the religious and tribal tradition from which many such immigrant families emerged. Acts that demand "punishment" include refusing to wear a hijab (or headscarf), having non-Muslim boyfriends or male friends of any origin, being sexually active, rejecting arranged marriages, aggressively seeking employment and education, and, more than anything else, attempting to assimilate into Western culture.
You really don't know about the women who face death, and have actually been murdered for refusing to wear a hijab?
There have been many threads which discuss these occurrences here on ATS. For every honor killing, there are probably thousands and thousand of threats of murder, including many lessor punishments.
and we are talking about abortion protestors who feel that abortion is murder
compared to fathers and brothers killing their daughters for not dressing tp religious requirements.
Odds are that almost every Muslim girl is forced to where the Hijab in public. Some support it, and some grow used to it, but it is a bit of submission forced into them.
There have been many threads which discuss these occurrences here on ATS. For every honor killing, there are probably thousands and thousand of threats of murder, including many lessor punishments.
www.boston.com...
...While many authorities say that Islamic religious tradition does not sanction honor killing, it has long been accepted in many Muslim societies all the same...
Legalized murder in the name of religion, but this is not in the Koran, neither is the requirement for the hijab or the burqa.
what you're doing in this thread is essentially making the OPs case for him
On the other side of the coin, it doesn't help when there are serious human rights abuses that do occur in Muslim countries. It doesn't help defeat the idea that all Muslims are radicalized when instances occur within our own nation that support the idea. These things do happen, and I haven't forgotten that fact. I am not so blind that I cannot see that there is an element of Islam that is extreme. Just as any religion has it's zealots. To understand that radical Islam is not representative of the entire religion is what I am trying to focus on here.
well - I'm going to beat this dead horse 'til I'm sure it's dead (I would never beat a horse)
that's us all over - people do these things - they always have
this little blame game is getting old - but unfortunately it's not going away
But what is hard is to stand up for something that you know is right. It's hard to defend something that has so much hate and intolerance stacked against it.
After months and months of reading posts denouncing Islam as a religion based on violence, I got sick of it.
Originally posted by poet1b
Actually, it is true. There aren't any pagans in any Muslim controlled nations, and they still persecute them like it was the middle ages.
Originally posted by poet1b
They could start being Americans by letting their wives dress in blue jeans, just like most of the men already do, and wear comfortable clothes. Maybe buy a Harley, and take their woman out for a bike ride in the wind. Celebrate Christmas, it really isn't a religious holiday, and Christ is supposedly a part of the Islamic tradition. They could let their kids play with the neighborhood kids, let their daughters try out for cheerleading if that is what she wants, or be in a school play, and the same goes for their sons.
They could have barbecues, and invite non-muslim friends.
Decorate the house for Christmas and Halloween, put up a flag on Memorial day, the 4th of July, or Veterans day.
Make eye contact when appropriate, smile, and make small talk, and allow your wife and daughters to do the same. Learn to put up with boys talking to your daughters.
Stop blaming the west for the problems of the Middle East. If you think that western nations are the reason for all the problems in the world, then why live in a western nation.
Originally posted by poet1b
Is it your claim that all the women who state that they were forced to dress in this barbaric manner were liars?
I also have a problem with people who force others to do such things. However, that was never my point. However, are you saying that all women who state they were not forced to wear their dress, and instead wear it out of their own free will as a sign of their independence and modesty, and find the banning of it an imposition on their religious freedom liars?
Originally posted by whatukno
Obviously this wouldn't work, people need to be able to have freedom of religion, there aren't enough atheists that are willing to fight for this country, and we need people that are able to translate Arabic.
So, what do you do? Obviously if your going to be fair to everyone, then all parties must subject their religious beliefs and churches to investigation. So now your investigating every religious house that any military member happens to be a member of. Doesn't that violate the rights of the other members of those congregations.
So what is the answer?
how many women are we talking about - do you have numbers?