It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Quantum Mechanics shows there's life after death

page: 8
31
<< 5  6  7    9  10  11 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 09:30 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 





There are people who really have studied physics on this thread--you know, went to university and specialized in it. I am one of them


All hail!

Einstein:

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."




posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:52 AM
link   
reply to post by Point of No Return
 


Good points. He also said:


“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”


There are those who think they know. These are people who are stuck in the cave and they can't think outside of the box of this illusion.

Then there's those who imagine and break down doors.

If it we listened to those who think they know we would still be living in a cave.

Here's an interesting article by Robert Lanza on Biocentricism. Whose Robert Lanza?


American scientist and is currently Chief Scientific Officer of Advanced Cell Technology (ACT) and Adjunct Professor at the Institute for Regenerative Medicine, Wake Forest University School of Medicine.

Lanza altered the genes of chickens in his basement, and came to the attention of Harvard Medical School researchers when he appeared at the university with his results. Jonas Salk, B. F. Skinner, and Christiaan Barnard mentored Lanza over the next ten years. Lanza attended University of Pennsylvania, receiving BA and MD degrees. There, he was a Benjamin Franklin Scholar and a University Scholar. Lanza was a Fulbright Scholar. A cover story in U.S. News & World Report described Lanza as "the living embodiment of the character played by Matt Damon in the movie Good Will Hunting."


en.wikipedia.org...

He wrote an article titled:


Does Death Exist? New Theory Says 'No'

Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death is not the terminal event we think.

One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the "many-worlds" interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe
(the 'multiverse'). A new scientific theory - called biocentrism - refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling - the 'Who am I?'- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn't go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?

Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result. The linkages between these various histories and universes transcend our ordinary classical ideas of space and time. Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply holo-projecting either this or that result onto a screen. Whether you turn the second beam splitter on or off, it's still the same battery or agent responsible for the projection.

According to Biocentrism, space and time are not the hard objects we think. Wave your hand through the air - if you take everything away, what's left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. You can't see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Everything you see and experience right now is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

I quote these because Lanza talks about some of the same themes that have been talked about on this thread by me, loner, point of no return and others.

Those that think they know will call Lanza an idiot.

I haven't read his book Biocentrism yet. I will read it after I finish reading Decoding the Universe.

Those that think they know are like religious zealots when it comes to secularism or materialism.

We should be thankful that those who imagine can think outside of the cave. We have seen some amazing discoveries in the face of opposition from those who think they know.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:50 PM
link   
I could only agree to so much that he is saying.

From his signature and also custom title, I take it this person is already close minded at the start, because "he is too knowledgeable and we don't know enough".

A common problem I see with a lot of our modern scientists.

You see, I can agree to that if I don't have credentials in a certain area of study, I probably shouldn't talk about the subject as if I'm an expert.

What I have problems with are some of these so called "experts". They are always the first ones to oppose an idea or some new findings. Oh, because I had 30 years of experience and studying in this field, I came from a family that studied this field for generations, so therefore my opinions should be considered facts. I shall determine what is true and what is false, what is fact and what is fiction. Your theories are wrong because so&so's mathematical formula does not work with it, your too young, you don't have enough experience, you don't belong in our union, or your mother dress you funny etc. etc.

What they're afraid of is that if a new idea or new discovery occurs (not by them), and it happens to cause science books to be rewritten, then the years and years of study these "experts" have done, their so called "credentials" all turn into feces. They probably don't want to go back and restudy the whole subject at age 60.

I think someone once said something like: "A scientific fact is a fact until it is disproved."

A genius should be respected, but it doesn't make them infallible.

Just my 2 cents.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 05:06 PM
link   
reply to post by Matrix Rising
 


Okay so you are saying that you may also be stuck between realities for some time then correct? Because for one to reincarnate you must spend time between the physical experience and the non-physical. Right now we are spiritual beings experiencing a physical experience. I don't quite understand how you would know that we may die and end up in an alternate reality which we are still alive OR we could possibly go to somewhere in between...

How is this decided? What made/makes you believe that this is true? Have your spirit guides told you about this? Did you read this somewhere? (sorry if you've answered these questions, I haven't read the whole thread).

I think we are definitely experiencing many realities at once, collectively. Meaning when we die and cross over all our memories are gathered and the knowledge is then put together as well. You then reincarnate (I don't know how long it takes though I've been told it takes hundreds of years but I'm not sure myself) and keep doing so until you are able to finish what I would call the 'human experiment' which has to do with refining the soul.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:14 PM
link   
Point of No Return: That sort of quotation is beloved of stupid people, isn't it? And for some reason they always attribute it to Einstein, probably because he's the only clever person they've ever heard of. If you can find the source of this 'quote' from Einstein, I'd be happy to learn it from you. Hint: Mark Twain said something similar.

Truthseeker84: I see they don't do irony where you live. Pontification, on the other hand, appears to be quite popular.

OP: So are you going to provide us with some scientific evidence for your statement, or aren't you? Bear in mind I've already looked at the thread. Not one of the links you posted supports your contention.

Everybody: Here's another ATS thread on the same subject where the thread starter has at least attempted to find a scientist who said something similar. It is, of course, fiddlesticks, twaddle and poppycock, but at least the OP shows willing, which is more than you can say about this lazy, flatulent thread.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 06:22 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 


hey geez i said in a previous post for ppl to read these links ...you havent so stop saying this is all fiddlesticks just because you havent the intellectual capacity for learning


Originally posted by loner007
hmmm i have posted several links in this thread. I suggest people read them before posting.............

www.quantumconsciousness.org...
www.quantum-mind.co.uk...
discovermagazine.com...
www.sentientdevelopments.com...

[edit on 9-12-2009 by loner007]



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 07:56 AM
link   
reply to post by loner007
 


hey geez i said in a previous post for ppl to read these links ...you havent so stop saying this is all fiddlesticks just because you havent the intellectual capacity for learning

I looked at all your links. The first two are speculation without real any science behind them. The other two are pure space-cadet garbage. Worse than fiddlesticks.

In any case, none of them have the slightest connection with the OP's ridiculous claim. Posting them on this thread suggests that you haven't even got a clue what the discussion is about in the first place.

And it takes intellectual capacity to judge intellectual capacity, pal. Stick to what you know--whatever that is.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 08:14 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 


LOL obviously you havent the intellectual capacity to understand the implications and all of the links i provided are written by scientists at the top of their field. All the experiments shows that Quantum plays an important role in the design of all living things. Not to mention the very notion that the universe needs an intelligent observer to exist...
Did you read the link where the brain anticipates events before they happen? thats quantum at work.
So in reality we exist both in the quantum world as well as the macroscopic world. The consciousness is a result of quantum processes that in itself should make you think.

[edit on 10-12-2009 by loner007]



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 09:13 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 





Point of No Return: That sort of quotation is beloved of stupid people, isn't it? And for some reason they always attribute it to Einstein, probably because he's the only clever person they've ever heard of. If you can find the source of this 'quote' from Einstein, I'd be happy to learn it from you. Hint: Mark Twain said something similar.


Why don't you just say I'm stupid and stamp your feet at the same time.

Einstein is the best known physicyst and he said it. I takes his words over yours, mr. Professional.

Mark Twain is not relevant.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 09:43 AM
link   
reply to post by Point of No Return
 


Einstein is the best known physicyst and he said it.

Yes! Yes! Einstein was the best known physicicistyst and he said it! He said it!! He said it!!! He said iiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!

Looks like I'm not the one stamping his tiny feet here.

I asked you to prove that Einstein ever said that. Did you not understand the request, or were you unable to find a reference? Come on, you quoted it, didn't you? You must be familiar with the speech, or paper, or news report or whatever it was, in which it appears. I mean, you wouldn't just be brainlessly quote-mining the internet, would you? Would you?

The evidential vacuity of your position yawns wide for all to see.

And by the way, it's P-H-Y-S-I-C-I-S-T. Yes, I know... hard word.

* * *

reply to post by loner007
 

Where in your links does it say--directly or indirectly--that quantum mechanics shows there's no life after death?

No need to explain. Just highlight the reference.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 09:57 AM
link   

Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Matrix Rising
 


exactly. energy can be neither created nor destroyed. matter is just energy trapped in form.


There is nothing saying that your "energy" is destroyed.

"you" as a entity are not an "energy." You use energy. It is possible your brain uses energy to create a model of itself working that "you" sit in.

My car is "energy" in that it uses energy to be useful. Once I crush the car, the fact that it used petroleum in it to make it go doesn't make the petroleum a car. Nor does it make the steel componenets still a car.

[edit on 2009/12/10 by Aeons]



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:00 AM
link   
is this the same thing as quantum immortality by Hugh Everett? in that case,we all may be dead in a curious quantum way. when you have that near death incident or out of body experience etc.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:01 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 



Originally posted by loner007
well I can tell you this and no physics involved. Death is just the death of the personality not the "soul"(I use the word soul loosely here). If u can see death as a type of amnesia and that when you die you wake up in another body to start life all over again without prior knowledge of your previous life.
Also if you can believe that the Universe has only one soul and its that soul which is in every single living creature then you can see the logic in the OP view on death and quantum processes.


This is what I wrote if you had read all of the posts.....soul being the same as consciousness....

www.msnbc.msn.com...
This links goes more into it and if you still cant fathom it out then tough I am not going to through the complexities of what all this means. I will say this though TIME IS AN ILLUSION....and thats a fact.....



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:18 AM
link   
reply to post by Matrix Rising
 



I totally agree with the whole being alive and dead at the same time. Its like the 'how long is a piece of string?'. Its infinite. Quantum Mechanics can also show how the same thing can be in two different places at the same time.

Its also the case that time is a whole manmade concept and quite silly on the greater scheme of things. Our lives are playing out at one instant and we are just present in this moment now. I am trying to figure out how to connect with different points of my life from this present moment. I don't need time travel because time doesn't exsist.

I reckon there must be a really easy way to do this. Also if we are dead and alive at the same time surely there must be a way for the two to connect? Anybody any success with this?



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:22 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 


Mark Twain said: "I have never let schooling interfere with my education"

What's your point?

I'n not gonna look for proof Einstein said the other qoute, a quick google search show hundreds of links saying he did.

Even if he didn't, it doesn't matter, the message is lost on you anyways.




And by the way, it's P-H-Y-S-I-C-I-S-T. Yes, I know... hard word.


Aw, again showing of your maturity? I'm Dutch, and I think I'm doing a pretty good job typing my English.

Get a life.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:35 AM
link   
reply to post by loner007
 

I asked you to point out where in your links it says--directly or indirectly--that quantum mechanics shows there's no life after death. You couldn't do that, could you? Because they don't say that, or even imply it.

So, instead of doing what I asked--and proving me wrong--you come back a different link. A link to a book review on MSNBC, gawd elp us. And if that wasn't pathetic enough, the book review itself says:


There is nothing in modern physics that explains how a group of molecules in a brain creates consciousness.

Modern physics very much includes quantum mechanics. Hadn't you heard?

Okay, here's your last chance: where in the book review you just posted does it say that quantum mechanics shows there's no life after death?

No need--
--to explain. Just highlight the reference.

[edit on 10/12/09 by Astyanax]



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:40 AM
link   
reply to post by Point of No Return
 

And I'm South Asian. Your point again?

Prove me wrong, my Dutch friend. Falsify my postulate. Because until you do, yours doesn't have a leg to stand on.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:46 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 





And I'm South Asian.


No, your a troll.

You know what? Einstein didn't say it.

Feeding session over.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:50 AM
link   
reply to post by Astyanax
 


LOL you really are thick arent you .. the very fact that time dosent exist should tell you straight away regarding life and death ...If time dosent exist then what is life and death??????




Time is the animal sense that animates events — the still frames — of the spatial world. Everything you perceive — even this page — is actively and repeatedly being reconstructed inside your head in an organized whirl of information. Time can be defined as the summation of spatial states; the same thing measured with our scientific instruments is called momentum. The weaving together of these frames occurs in the mind. So what’s real? We confront a here-and-now. If the next “image” is different from the last, then it is different, period. We can award that change with the word “time” but that doesn’t mean there’s an actual invisible entity that forms a matrix or grid in which changes occur. That’s just our own way of making sense of things, our tool of perception. We watch our loved ones age and die, and assume an external entity called time is responsible for the crime.

The demotion of time from an actual reality to a mere subjective experience, a social convention, is evidence against the “external universe” mindset, because the latter requires a space and time gridwork. In biocentrism, space and time are forms of animal understanding — period. They are tools of the mind, and thus do not exist as external objects independent of life.

When we feel poignantly that time has elapsed, as when loved ones die, it constitutes the human perceptions of the passage and existence of time. Our babies turn into adults. We age. They age. We all grow old together. That to us is time. It belongs with us.

There is a peculiar intangibility about space, as well. We cannot pick it up and bring it the laboratory. This is because, like time, space is neither physical nor fundamentally real. It is a mode of interpretation and understanding — part of an animal’s mental software that molds sensations into multidimensional objects.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 11:00 AM
link   

Originally posted by itstheendoftheworldaswekn
reply to post by Matrix Rising
 



I totally agree with the whole being alive and dead at the same time. Its like the 'how long is a piece of string?'. Its infinite. Quantum Mechanics can also show how the same thing can be in two different places at the same time.

Its also the case that time is a whole manmade concept and quite silly on the greater scheme of things. Our lives are playing out at one instant and we are just present in this moment now. I am trying to figure out how to connect with different points of my life from this present moment. I don't need time travel because time doesn't exsist.

I reckon there must be a really easy way to do this. Also if we are dead and alive at the same time surely there must be a way for the two to connect? Anybody any success with this?




Good post.

The way your going to communicate with these states is through Psi.

We know there's more evidence for Psi Effects than there is that asprin can help prevent a second heart attack.

The evidence for Psi has been replicated and peer reviewed. Here's a good talk by Dean Radin on the taboo of psi and the closed minded that don't realise the ignorance associated with having a closed mind.

www.youtube.com...



new topics

top topics



 
31
<< 5  6  7    9  10  11 >>

log in

join