Tiny dots in the air wherever I look!

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posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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Bosansky, yes you are right he is looking like an ass. Ah well.

I am going to respond to the general criticisms by the critics. I don't think we are making claims to being superior beings, we are simply trying to understand a phenomenon that many of us are perceiving, and like yourself looking for explanations. Resorting to adhominems will just make you look like an ass.

I believe I said earlier that I have mostly dismissed them as optical illusions in the past, but I am now open to other explanations as the previous explanation is unsatisfactory. This means I will consider all explanations, even the spiritual ones. So far the mundane explanations you have given do not explain the phenomenon I am perceiving, and I repeatedly described this phenomenon.

The "visual snow" explanation does not explain the phenomenon becauset the tiny dots are moving around randomly and erratically, and they are very vivid points of lights with multple colours. This is unlike visual snow.
Therefore this explanation has to be rejected.

The "floaters" explanation does not explain the phenomenon, for the same reason and also because I know the phenomenaon of floaters too, and can make a distinction between them. Therefore this explanation has to be rejected

The "dust in the eyes" explanation does not explain the phenomenon because if there is a dust in the eye it would irritate the eye and that the phenomenon stops by itself in a few moments or seconds, and maybe resumes again much later. If it was dust in the eye it would be consistently seen. Moreover, I have had dust in my eyes before and I do not see the tiny dots. Therefore this explanation has to be rejected.

Light illuminating the dust in the air explanation does not explain the phenomeon because I know what dust illuminated by light looks like, and thus can make a distinction between them. Also, because the tiny dots are moving very randomly and erratically in the air, appearing and disappearing in different locations, which is nothing like the movement of dust in the air. Also, because they are very vivid, unlike any other normal visual perception. Therefore this explanation must be rejected.

The white blood cells explanation does not explain the phenomenon, because the explanation itself is in need of explanation. This is the most silly of the lot so far given by critics. Also, if it was this mundane, then I would experience it regularly. This not the case. It has been a long time since I last saw the tiny dots. Therefore this explanation must be rejected.

As all these mundane physical explanations fail, I have no other recourse but to look at metaphysical explanations. This is likely, because my seeing of the tiny dots has apperared more frequently since I began meditation practice. They take place in the peripheral of my vision which is the same vision that enables me to see auras around objects. They are consistent with Quantum mechanical explanations of virtual particles which flash in and out of existence. Moreover they are described in ancient sources as well as subtle particles that can become visible to a meditator. Modern Yogis also describe them as "lifetrons" and "microvita" This explanation is far more consistent with the description of the tiny dots and thus it is the most compelling to me.

The tiny dots are definitely a perceptual phenomena and the cause of these therefore as physical causes is only a theory. There is still no proof in nerubiology that perception is being caused by physical things. Therefore it is all open to speculation. If you continue to force your explanations on us as defacto, then suffice it to say, you are being an ass.

I would also ask the critic to be more open to others experiences and stop trying to insinuate there is something wrong with others, simply because they are experiencing a reality that is different to yours. There is a vast body of phenomenological data that suggests that these experiences are common. Ironically, many people in this thread have reported to having similar experiences. Again if we look at the phenomenological data of Yogis and mystics etc there is even a description for these tiny dots, and names for them. Just because you have not experienced them yourself, does not negate this mass of data.

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posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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I was talking about this last week and no one seemed to know what I was talking about either. I get it when the lights are out and I see tiny vibrating multi coloured dots, so minute you could not count them. I feel it is lik the membrane that separates each dimension and can only be seen in the dark or if you are extra sensitive at any time. I am very into trying to prove these things so I put my camera on a long exposure, for three hours in my very dark bedroom and took a photo which showed up multi coloured dots, only a few though but they were there. I would put it up here but I accidentally erased my external hard drive so I will need to do it all over again.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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Its called prana or life force in sanskrit.
Its because your consciousness is being aware of the dimension in which prana exists.

Is it a big deal ? No. Everybody can see it , as long as their consciousness falls into that level of awareness.

Hindu scriptures say that each one of us have 7 different bodies in 7 different dimensions like physical,mental,astral, causal etc etc, technical names for which are called annamaya kosha, pranamaya kosha etc. You can read more about them online.

We can allow our consciousness to be aware of these different dimensions though meditation, and keeping a quiet mind free of thoughts, being detached to thoughts,paying attention to our breath, and trying to balance the breath in both the nostrils, etc.

Ultimately, there is a state of consciousness which cannot be described, it holds all these dimensions in place. When one attains this state of consciousness effortlessly, he is equivalent to Jesus Christ, Buddha and all other enlightened beings. For him, the physical dimension is mere play, and everything happens spontaneously.

So enjoy the show until you attain that state of consciousness



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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agreed. What we're experiencing is definitely not related to blue light. I haven't tried meditating or concentrating to see if that affects it, but I never really paid much attention to it until recently, either. I noticed today that the little glowy-sparkly thingies move around like they were alive. So the blood vessel thing sounded reasonable until I heard about the blue color phenomenon. This is definitely stronger in the dark, and not any different no matter which color I look at. Later tonight I'll write back and let you guys know if I can see it under only blacklight. But I have to wait until dark.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Do the particles move with your field of vision when you move your head/eyes, or are their movements independent of yours? Have you tried catching them?
I am looking forward to your photo.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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What an interesting post, I am glad I came upon it. I too have seen something similar to what you are all describing. It doesn't happen all the time, but it happens when I can stay still and focus on trying to view these... for lack of a better word... particles. I usually see these better standing beside a window looking at a white or blank wall. I'll have to try this is a dark room to see if it's the same as the OP's experience.

Perhaps this is not something completely understood by doctors as most people will probably pass by this experience forgetting about it, saying they are tired or their eyes were watery.

I came to the idea that these 'particles' are like the waves of water vapor you might see rising from a warm surface on a hot summer's day. Changing in size and temperature and moving around trying to find a balance in their environment. They could also be inside my head, I never bothered to ask anyone about this before.

Edit: After reading a post about vision defects I wanted to say that I am 'near sighted' and wear glasses to read the teachers chalk board, but am completely fine reading a fine print book without them.

[edit on 6-12-2009 by Nematode]



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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I see this when i go to bed at night. I see this grid of fuzzy moving dots.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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i got my first floaters a few years ago and it drove me crazy for a few months. my doc told me not to worry about physical problems, most people have floaters. guess what - now i have to look carefully to find my floaters because the brain tunes it out.

as for the other issues - flashes, dots, "seeing" bright objects with eyes closed in a dark room and many others - they went away along with my migraines when i finally decided to shell out a few hundred dollars and fill my very small computer eye glass prescription (only 0.50 in each eye which is minimal really). i had been told for years by various opticians it's not worth the money to get 0.50 glasses but guess what - a week after i got my first pair of glasses i stopped having all those visual anomalies.

so just get your vision checked and get glasses even if they're 0.25 or 0.50 - you'll definitely be more rested and see less dots or flashes or whatever you want to call them.

of course i'm still seeing the white cells crawling along my retina when i'm flying somewhere and looking out the window above the clouds. that's just a fun part of life. nothing special... move along!



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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Once again, I find myself cringing as I read the words written by certain members of this site.

First of all, YES people, this is a totally natural, documented and thoroughly proven phenomenon.

I'm sorry. You are not seeing any of the following:

1. Human Life Aura's.
2. Raw Data from the Matrix.
3. A New kind of Particle that makes up our reality.
4. DNA
5. (insert alternate silly claims here)

I am sorry folks. You do not have special powers. Your version of the tiny, "static-like" dots, floaters and spots are not different from the other, explained and debunked "static-like" dots, floaters and spots, the existence of which has already been explained to you.

Also, in case there are a few of the "other" types of funny-folks looking at this thread:

- You are not a vampire. You are just a creepy person that wishes they were a vampire, and likes to wear fluffy shirts.

- You do not have Alien DNA and special powers, and a pivotal part to play in the future of the human race.

- The government does not care that you have a theory that links George W. Bush to the cover-up of Lake Vostok, and they are NOT watching you.

- The "poop" you found in the woods behind your house, is just DOG POOP. Not "Bigfoot scat". So, please take it out of the refrigerator, and throw it away.

Anyway, I hope I have helped some of you.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Its funny, I read some of these posts, and I dont really register anyone saying they have special powers. The only ones who use the term special powers are those telling us that we dont have special powers. Lame, couch scientists.

I know its not floaters I am seeing, I have those
I know it is not the blood pressure thing, although it happens sometimes


All I know is that at the right moment I can visually see particles floating, zigzagging, staying still in the air. They don`t follow where I look, they are independant and external.

I am not worried at all about this "condition" or special powers (according to some)
but I am worried about some of the comments made by members.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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Well, I obviously hit a nerve with "Le Colonel". Let me guess. You are French?

I don't want any hard feelings. So, let me say that in your case, Yes, you are seeing small, independently operated spacecraft of some kind.

One more thing: If I was actually SEEING THINGS, ATS would be the last place I would look for answers.

The term, "Throwing Gasoline on a Fire" comes to mind very often while browsing these threads.

[edit on 6-12-2009 by LASTofTheV8s]



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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I've seen them as well but I figured i was just seeing the blood circulating throughout my eyes.
I know lack of oxygen cause tiny firefly effects in vision. You see those when your about to pass out, going into shock.
My personal favorite is when i close my eyes and gently press against my eyeballs with my fingers and you get to see all sorts of geometric patterns emerge but only for a short time and the a wash of light.
Been doing that since i was a kid, though not as much. Such interesting patterns emerge.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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All I know is that at the right moment I can visually see particles floating, zigzagging, staying still in the air. They don`t follow where I look, they are independant and external.


I second that, this is my experience as well.

The critics are not being reasonable at all, as they not listening to our descriptions. I can't believe they are still saying "floaters"
when that description does not at all match up with it. The fact that we have already said that we know what floaters look like, and know that the tiny dot phenomenon is distinct from that, barely seems to have registered despite how many times we have repeated it.

The critics do not seem to want to engage in a rational discussion at all, but preach to us. I find that no different to a religious zealot. Any reasonable critic out there who is going to actually engage what we are describing, or you are going to continue to ignore what we are describing, and look like ignorant asses to us?

The only way to continue this discussion is for you to engage what we are saying, otherwise you are just spouting and nothing more. You are not at all trying to explain what we are describing, you are trying to explain what we are not describing and what you want to believe we are describing.

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posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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Did you get my post on pg 8?

It is so easy to overlook them. I see them when I look for them.

Most everyone here doesn't have a clue. Though I am fond of the Prana explanation. Same difference to Aether.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
Phosphenes, Form Constants, and Visual Snow


Sweet! I have to read more on it later. Thank you so much for posting that link! This is why i love ATS because amidst all the arguing about what is real or not real you can find research that has been done for years on a topic that was only an afterthought in my world.
S&F for you and that thread!



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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OK. Being serious here for a second:

The only way to fully address the myriad of claims being made here, would be for us to give a full lesson on the intricacies of the human eye.

Between the eye and the brain, there are so many strange little tricks, censors, edits and additions going on, it is impossible to put them all in a post.

Our optic system is a lot like a process on a pc. The brain is constantly editing what we THINK we are seeing. Ignoring certain things, guessing at others, and feeding us whatever the end result of these processes happens to be.

Once you start studying up on how the entire process of "sight" works, you will definitely end up with more questions than answers. But, at least, you will realize that a LOT of the weirdness being discussed here is well documented and "somewhat" understood.

But, it definitely isn't as simple as "what am I seeing?".



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Numb2itall

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
Phosphenes, Form Constants, and Visual Snow


Sweet! I have to read more on it later. Thank you so much for posting that link! This is why i love ATS because amidst all the arguing about what is real or not real you can find research that has been done for years on a topic that was only an afterthought in my world.
S&F for you and that thread!

No problemo.
I'm glad you understood what I am getting at.
It isn't what I am saying that should be believed.
My point is that if a person comes here wanting "answers" from other members, things are gonna get scary.
But, there is nothing wrong with getting directions to your own answers. Real ones.

Go Get 'Em!



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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I used to see these things too.. When I was younger than 14 or so I saw them alot. I could only see the shadows being cast onto my desk if I sat near the window when it was bright outside. Like others have said it looks like a fuzzy grid of dots moving quickly.

They were in fact shadows on the desk, and not 'floaters' or moving with my field of vision, and for some reason I could only see them if I didn't focus my vision directly on the shadows.



posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Tearman
From wikipedia's article on retina: "The white blood cells in the capillaries in front of the photoreceptors can be perceived as tiny bright moving dots when looking into blue light. This is known as the blue field entoptic phenomenon (or Scheerer's phenomenon)."

Edit: Actually, it appears that they don't cast shadows, it is the opposite, they allow light to pass through them. Red ones absorb the light.

[edit on 5-12-2009 by Tearman]


Wow... 25 years passes and now I know what those hundreds of little wriggling zippy white points of light are when ever I look directly into clear blue sky and focus on em are.

Slightly anti-climatic, but interesting all the same
... explains why they disappear when they zip into an area that isnt blue sky, like a gutter... and that would should explain why they seem to fade out and in, im assuming their moving through capillaries that return back behind the retina.

One thing I find interesting is how things inside the eye are so damn in focus, I mean my eye sights gotten fuzzy the last few years, but the white wigglers and floaters are as crystal clear as ever when I focus on em... err or not focus on em i should say given the situation


Whtie blood cells... I sure have an aweful alot of em.





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