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Originally posted by FortAnthem
Interesting thread.
I'm Catholic so I would still be leary about demonic possession and meeting negative entities. This has made me reluctant to investigate this further.
It is interesting that they say astral projection strenthen's faith. If someone's faith includes angels and demons, would astral projection reinforce this belief? Are these elements (angels and demons) encountered by those of other faiths who do not believe in such things?
Are there any resources you would reccomend for someone interested to learn more about astral projection?
[edit on 4-12-2009 by FortAnthem]
Originally posted by above
Well, i think this (the OP) is as "factual" as arguing if santa and his elves or heaven/hell actually exists.
One thing that i noticed to be pure and utter bull- is that drugs harm you and make you loose control. Yes there are drugs that harm you, but there are also drugs that make you grow psychologically (ever heard of magic mushrooms or ayahuasca to name a few?)
Every culture on earth has a history of spiritual drug use, since they allow you to enter states of consciousness not available otherwise.
[edit on 7-12-2009 by above]
Originally posted by Unity_99
You don't understand the metaphysical reality of the omniverse.
Originally posted by above
Well, i think this (the OP) is as "factual" as arguing if santa and his elves or heaven/hell actually exists.
One thing that i noticed to be pure and utter bull- is that drugs harm you and make you loose control. Yes there are drugs that harm you, but there are also drugs that make you grow psychologically (ever heard of magic mushrooms or ayahuasca to name a few?)
Every culture on earth has a history of spiritual drug use, since they allow you to enter states of consciousness not available otherwise.
[edit on 7-12-2009 by above]
Originally posted by v01i0
People need to understand that astral is not an objective reality. It's a world of illusions that so called mystics access willfully or not. It's a conscious daydream, where you see phantasms from your subconsciousness.
-v
Originally posted by highlyoriginal
So your words mean nothing to those of us who have experienced OOBE because it proves beyond any fathomable words that their is an existence of us in another plane(s) of some sort.
Originally posted by highlyoriginal
reply to post by unityemissions
Think of it this way... We are all made up of energy, energy is surrounding us etc... If I move in one direction I force energy to go in another direction since I'm pushing through it. Now that energy has been changed and it is not static and/or stagnant, it does ripple (sort of) until it is effected by something/someone else. So in short, everything we do (any movement at all) and any thoughts we have, ultimately change the outcome of every second of every day.
So yes, one person can make a difference
Originally posted by highlyoriginal
Even when I was a young kid I had always thought that everything was made up of vibrating molecules and every thought and every movement I made effected the outcome of everything in existence - which is true. If I go left instead of going right, I end up somewhere else, do I not? My decisions do not only effect myself, I'd be stupid to think that, but they effect everyone in the entire world because of the whole chain reaction concept.
(Bailey, Alice; A Treatise on White Magic, p. 221/3).
The astral plane is the plane of illusion, of glamour, and of a distorted presentation of reality.
(Ibid. p. 614/5).
The secret of the Master is the discovery that there is no astral plane; he finds that the astral plane is a figment of the imagination and has been created through the uncontrolled use of creative imagination, and the misuse of the magical powers."
(Esoteric Healing, p. 409).
As I have said elsewhere, there is no such thing as the astral plane or the astral body. Just as the physical body is made up of matter which is not regarded as a principle, so the astral body -- as far as the mind nature is concerned -- is in the same category. This is a difficult matter for you to grasp, because desire and emotion are so real and so devastatingly important. But -- speaking literally -- from the angle of the mental plane, the astral body is a "figment of the imagination"; it is not a principle.
Source
Occultists associate Yesod with the Astral plane, because if the sephiroth above Malkuth are regarded as a map of the unconscious psyche, Yesod is the most accessible area of the mind.