***20 Astral Projection Myths Busted***

***20 Astral Projection Myths Busted***

I am relying this message which was sent to me via email, hope this can answer some question for people.

*I am not confirming all of the information below to be 100% true, as there is no way to prove anything for certain, you must learn on your own, I am simply providing information that was sent to me via email, enjoy!*

There are a lot of misconceptions about Astral Projection
floating around online and offline. Let us go through some of
the common ones, and throw some light on them.

Myth 1 : Astral Projection is very rare.
Truth : Astral Projection is a very common phenomenon indeed.
5% to 10% of the world's population has experienced a conscious
Out of body experience at least once. This means around 6
million in the U.K or as much as 30 million in the United
States.

Myth 2 : Astral Projection is always spontaneous. You cannot
learn it.
Truth : Yes, you can learn to Astral Project at will. There are
countless techniques that teach you how to have an OOBE. Since
every individual is different, no particular technique is best
for everybody. You have to find out which method is best for
you. Just like anything in life, you have to practice and get
good at it.

Myth 3 : Not everyone can learn to Astral Project. It is only
for a selected few.
Truth :Yes, anyone can Astral Project. But it requires some
practice, consistency and open-mindedness. Just like you learn
to walk, ride a bicycle or swim, Astral Projection is a skill
you need to learn.

Myth 4 : Only adults can Astral Project because they are more
matured.
Truth : Not at all. Age is never a factor for Astral Projection.
It's a fact that children Astral Project more than adults. The
reason is that children are innocent and they believe everything
is possible. So they achieve Astral Projection more easily.

But we adults do not believe everything easily. The sooner we
can be open-minded and start believing, the easier it would be
to Project. But age, in itself, is never a roadblock for
Projection. The only hindrance is your level of belief.

Myth 5 : Astral Projection is not safe.
Truth : Astral Projection is a natural experience reported in
every culture and society of the world. It is safe for most
people. But anyone who has acute psychological problems should
avoid it.

Myth 6 : It takes several years to achieve a conscious Astral
Projection.
Truth : Since every individual is different, no one can
guarantee how long it can take. Some achieve it in the first try
and others do not achieve it even in two years! But if tried
consistently, about 30 days is a fair enough time to experience
at least one projection.

Myth 7 : It is possible that you may not be able to get back
into the physical body.
Truth : You see, every night when we sleep, our Astral body is
out of our physical body. We are just not conscious about it.
During Astral Projection, we are aware of the fact that we're in
another dimension. Since after every night's sleep we can easily
get back into the body, we can do the same after Astral
Projection too

The surprising fact is that it is difficult to stay out of the
body. Getting back into your body is instant and automatic. Your
Astral Body is connected to your physical body by a Silver Cord,
which ensures that you can always get back in

Myth 8 : You can get possessed during Astral Projection.
Truth : This is a very common question in most people's minds.
No. There is no danger of you being possessed by other entities.
Your Astral Body is attached to your physical body by a Silver
Cord. No one else can sever it and enter your body.

Myth 9 : Astral Projection changes a person's religious
beliefs.
Truth : Published in 1992, there was an in-depth study of 350
participants done by Dr.Melvin Morse. According to that study,
Out-of-body experiences did not seem to alter one's religious
beliefs. In fact, most people reported that their religious
beliefs have been confirmed and strengthened by their
out-of-body experiences.

Myth 10 : You cannot go very far when out of the body?
Truth : There is no limit defined as to how far you can go away
from the physical body. But it is important to note that there
are certain areas that you do not readily have access to unless
you have spiritually graduated to those areas. There are several
planes apart from the Astral Plane. You cannot visit a higher
vibratory plane in a lower vibratory body.

Myth 11 : There is no cord that connects the Astral and the
Physical bodies.
Truth : There is definitely a Silver Cord that connects the two
bodies. You may or may not be able to see it, but it is always
there. Even the Bible talks about it.

Through the Silver Cord, transference of energy takes place and
it gives life to the physical. As long as the person is alive,
this cord is intact. It can be likened to the umbilical cord
attaching a child to the mother.


Myth 12 : Other Astral entities sever the Silver Cord.
Truth : No. The Silver Cord cannot be severed by anyone. This
only happens when the hour of death has arrived to a person and
that comes by law.

Myth 13. The Astral Plane is full of dangerous negative entities

Truth : Yes, there are negative entities in the Astral Plane but
they are not dangerous.
They can do no harm to you in any way.

Remember, in the Astral, your thoughts have power. If you
don't like something, you can always change them into
something you want. By not being afraid, you can make these
entities vanish or turn them into something more pleasant.

If any of these entities do scare you, at the most you will
slump back in your physical.

Many of these negative entities are self-created. They are
nothing but manifestations of our own fears that appear as
thought-forms. In order to avoid bumping into any of these
entities, you should attempt Projection in a good mood. The rule
in the Astral Plane is: Like attracts like. If you are in a
negative or bad mood, you will attract negative thought-forms.
But if you Project with positive and loving thoughts, you will
most likely attract positive and loving entities.

Myth 14 : When a person wakes up after Projection, he feels
really tired.
Truth : During Astral Projection, the physical body sleeps
normally, so when you wake up, you feel very refreshed.

*Continued in next post*

*continued*

Myth 15 : We cannot touch objects in the Astral.
Truth : Yes, you can touch and feel Astral objects on the
Astral, just as you can touch physical ones in the Physical
Plane. But in the Astral, under normal circumstances, you cannot
touch Physical objects. If you attempt, your hand will pass right
through it. That's why you have heard that your Astral body can
pass through walls!

Myth 16 : It is necessary to be good at visualization.
Truth : Visualization is not a necessary ingredient for
Projection. But if the Projector can increase his ability to
visualize it will help him progress faster.

Myth 17 : Drugs be used to help induce Projection
Truth : Some kinds of Drugs do induce projection. But I do not
recommend any kinds of drugs because they harm your Astral
vehicle.

The key to a productive out-of-body experience is complete
control and control is the first thing lost when you use any
kind of mind-altering substance. Drugs curtail your spiritual
growth. They take you to the lower Astral Plane full of
confusion and disorientation. It is dull, gloomy, and full of
negative energy. The lower Astral is very unlike the vibrant,
progressive, positive Astral we are seeking to achieve.

Why contaminate the biological vehicle when effective results
can be achieved naturally? Don't put your body at risk. If there
is real desire to experience Astral Projection then that desire,
along with consistent practice will get you there.

Myth 18 : It is impossible to meet with other human beings
during Projection
Truth : That's not true. It is possible to meet other human
beings. But if you want to talk them meaningfully, they should
be conscious. If we find them and they are dreaming they will
look drunk! They may not recognize us but later when they awake,
they may remember seeing us in a dream.

Myth 19 : When we are Astral Projecting, by taking the name of a
friend, say "John", by mistake we can visit some other person
by the same name "John".
Truth : In the Astral, your thoughts are the key to where you
want to go. Your higher self knows whom you want to visit and
take you to the correct person. Here, the name of the person
doesn't matter at all. Since you are thinking of that person,
you will reach there.

Myth 20 : Astral projection doesn't prove life after death.
Truth : People, who have experienced proper conscious OOBE even
once, start to strongly believe in life after death. Finding
themselves outside their physical bodies and still functioning,
still able to see, hear, touch, even smell and taste, still able
to do everything and more, how can anyone deny that life goes on?
_______________________________________________________________

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[edit on 4-12-2009 by highlyoriginal]

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Interesting thread.

I'm Catholic so I would still be leary about demonic possession and meeting negative entities. This has made me reluctant to investigate this further.

It is interesting that they say astral projection strenthen's faith. If someone's faith includes angels and demons, would astral projection reinforce this belief? Are these elements (angels and demons) encountered by those of other faiths who do not believe in such things?

Are there any resources you would reccomend for someone interested to learn more about astral projection?

[edit on 4-12-2009 by FortAnthem]

I think everything that you listed, is in fact....TRUE.


I feel sorry for the Catholic people & the things they adhere strongly too.......its a shame when RELIGION clouds true spiritual experiences with dogma. It happens in about ALL the worlds religions I guess, but Catholics are particularly vocal.

......a darn SHAME I tell ya
"tsk tsk"




[edit on 4-12-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

reply to post by highlyoriginal


If you can do it why not collect the million dollar Amazing Randi Prize?

www.randi.org...
The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.

Click here to see the application.

Click here to see the current $1 million statement which shows the current amount in our prize

If you can do it why not collect the million dollar Amazing Randi Prize?

I would have to be completely ignorant of American commercial law, and unable to locate an attorney to discuss the matter with. Neither Randi nor his foundation are obliged to give anybody one million dollars unless they want to.

In other words, like everybody else who has a million dollars, Randi or his foundation may make a gift of one million dollars or they may decline to make such a gift, as they see fit. There is nothing in the law to prevent them from describing this situation as a "challenge," or announcing a fixed application procedure for someone to ask them to consider making a gift.

Similarly, there is nothing to prevent an American used car dealer from advertising "We'll match any competitor's price, or we'll give you one million dollars." Nor from specifying in the fine print that the competitor's price must be in the form of a written offer for a used car identical to one in stock at the million-dollar dealer's lot. Fat chance that you'll find such a car, fatter chance that you'll get to walk off with the written offer, and no chance that you'll get the million.

The oft-repeated observation that "nobody has made it past the preliminary tests," is also, by an amazing coincidence, to say that nobody has perfected any legal obligation whatsoever for Randi or his foundation to give anybody any money if some specific condition should happen.

Until then, he and JREF can continue to say they'll give a million to anybody who makes a big enough impression on Randi and his buddies. It is, after all, a free country.

And finally, I would have to be ignorant of how genuine "challenge" or "award" programs work. For example, there is a sincerely intended and legitimate prize available to whoever proves or disproves Goldbach's Conjecture, and a variety of prizes for engineering achievements, such as building human-powered airplanes that can hold a specified course, duration of flight, and average speed.

One need only compare these programs with the "Randi challenge" to see the differences. Those differences begin with the legal obligation to award the money having already attached in the legitimate cases. That is not the case with the "Randi challenge."

So, there is quite a bit to ponder besides whether or not anybody can do "it."

Randi is a showman and self-promoter. His challenge is a gimmick and publicity stunt, originally hacked up to promote his career as a stage magician. To the extent that it ever had a redeeming social purpose, that was to expose high-profile predatory scam artists (hence the "prior publicity" requirements) who were using stage magic techniques to steal money from people who didn't know the trick.

To that extent, Randi continues in the tradition of Harry Houdini. An honorable precedent.

To infer anything about the prevalence of abilities that you don't have from the failure of able people to try to separate Randi from his money is conclusion-leaping worthy of a psi-kiddie. To believe in the challenge as evidence of anything except showmanship is, to use Randi's word, woo.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
Interesting thread.

I'm Catholic so I would still be leary about demonic possession and meeting negative entities. This has made me reluctant to investigate this further.

It is interesting that they say astral projection strenthen's faith. If someone's faith includes angels and demons, would astral projection reinforce this belief? Are these elements (angels and demons) encountered by those of other faiths who do not believe in such things?

Are there any resources you would reccomend for someone interested to learn more about astral projection?

[edit on 4-12-2009 by FortAnthem]

Yes, here is a thread I just made which got a pretty large amount of attention this past week, within the thread I included a ton of links and video about spirituality and astral projection. Here's the link to that thread... For everyone who needs some help in the spirituality department...

I was raised Catholic myself, but my parents never forced religion upon me, so I dwindled off and started to try and find the facts on my own. I considered myself agnostic for a very long time, but as of recently I have realized that there is much more to life than meets the eye. I had my spiritual awakening and I am very thankful that it happened.

What I suggest you do is read that thread I posted (or do your own research, whichever) and keep an open mind, while leaving everything (for the most part) that you've learned from being a Catholic behind which will help you have unbiased opinions on the material you're reading/watching.

Peace & Light

Originally posted by RRokkyyIf you can do it why not collect the million dollar Amazing Randi Prize?

www.randi.org...
The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

Hmm... I checked out that site and well, they are ridiculous. I'll show you what I mean...

This link is to a thread in their forums, which is about a guy who says he can see pictures in envelopes without opening them.

Here is what one of the people from the Randi group has too say...

Pavel has suggested instead that we use a massive number of photographs divided into small groups, and then smaller groups, and then smaller groups until he is identifying pairs of photos out of groups of five (and all groups of five are the same). The number of photographs needed for the test as Pavel has written it is simply unrealistic. I have run this information by other JREF staff as well as the JREF statistician consultant, and everyone agrees that it will be difficult (if not impossible) to control the test once it reaches those numbers.

They go on to say

Not only that, but this version of the test would also be expensive for Pavel. He would, of course, have to pay the cost of printing, the cost of all the envelopes, etc.

That made me laugh. They are giving away a 1million dollar prize (supposedly) and yet they not only make the person entering the 'contest' pay for their supplies, but they are saying that the printing of 300 photos and envelopes for them all would be expensive???

If I'm about to win 1million bucks first off I'm not worried about paying for some envelopes and printings of some photos, not to mention that would not be expensive at all (especially since the guy said they have to be in black and white). Sounds like a bunch of crap to me.

attached by a silver cord huh? i thought most the rest was decent, im not sure if i buy into it but i find it possible, and something i might try out.

reply to post by srslyguyz


You can find really GOOD books at the liberary on this subject.......see authors Robert Bruce....Robert Monroe......many others but those guys are awesome to read.

............and YES your attached by a silver chord, and if your not then you are dead.



[edit on 6-12-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

First off, I've had visions since I was young. They may have been out of body experiences, they may have been an overactive imagination. I do think that our subconscious is incredibly powerful, and can teach us in many ways.

That being the case, I see no good reason to think that these experiences are any indication of life after death. The subconscious seems quite able to hold an accurate memory of our surroundings experienced. It teaches in symbols, metaphors, etc.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal

Myth 20 : Astral projection doesn't prove life after death.
Truth : People, who have experienced proper conscious OOBE even
once, start to strongly believe in life after death. Finding
themselves outside their physical bodies and still functioning,
still able to see, hear, touch, even smell and taste, still able
to do everything and more, how can anyone deny that life goes on?
_______________________________________________________________

A clear indication that this is just the mind experiencing itself is how another question mentioned seeing negative entities which could be transformed by one's will. What? How could this be, unless these entities are simply a product of an imaginative mindset?

I've been to planets and spoke with aliens. Seen aliens invade the earth. Floated above my body. Flown across my city. Shot straight up into outer space, only to lean back slightly and enjoy the ride back down. Trampolined into the upper atmosphere from a cruise ship, only to be plunged into the ocean abyss, making my way back to the waves to experience the thought of no escaping death. Have jumped off a cliff, and actually sunk into the ground, becoming one with it, etc...all incredibly vivid and while being acutely aware.

They are our subconscious teaching us. No more, or less.

Interesting list. I always wanted to try AP in the 70's 80's, but being Chirstian and an avivd church goer, I bought into all the storys about evil entities, the breaking of the cord and the one that scared me the most was that if someone moved the body, the AP couldn't get back in because it wouldn't know where it was at.

Then a year or so ago, I had a small OBE. I barely got out of the body before I returned, but it was enough to convince me. Since then, I found a lot of interesting things in the Metaphysical world. Enough in fact to convince me that the bible may have been edited to convince the masses that a lot of what was natural had now become taboo. And when I thought about it, I realized that Christ said we could do all he did and that he had done a lot of the things I had been taught were evil and of the devil.

I still believe in God, but I'm not so sure about christ being the living son of god.

But to get back on topic, I haven't tried to seriously achieve an OBE for some time, but I do plan to do so in the future.

I was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school all my life.

Read this thread I just posted today and I think you might have a change of opinion.

Nothing to fear, in fact the most beautiful sentient energy's are around us all the time, we just don't tune them in.

We are like radio's, but most of us are tuned into only a couple of channels and never look for others, because of old wives tales and fear.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by FortAnthem
Interesting thread.

I'm Catholic so I would still be leary about demonic possession and meeting negative entities. This has made me reluctant to investigate this further.

It is interesting that they say astral projection strenthen's faith. If someone's faith includes angels and demons, would astral projection reinforce this belief? Are these elements (angels and demons) encountered by those of other faiths who do not believe in such things?

Are there any resources you would reccomend for someone interested to learn more about astral projection?

[edit on 4-12-2009 by FortAnthem]

THANKS for linking that thread RealTruth !
What a wonderful thread that is !
Im reading it now......
Thanks for making it and being so open, so that others can possibly learn from your example.

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
I feel sorry for the Catholic people & the things they adhere strongly too.......its a shame when RELIGION clouds true spiritual experiences with dogma.

I'm not Catholic but my wife was raised in the Catholic Church, and I'm pretty well versed in the "dogma"...

Actually, non-Catholics (and particularly atheists) have no idea of what they're talking about when they speak of "religious dogma" or "Catholic dogma" or any kind of dogma, in my opinion.

Usually, when people speak of "dogma," they refer to some aspect of a religion upon which the religion has a very strong stand. Any church is organized to preserve a specific set of traditions, not to bend and flex in the wind of public opinion. So, what the layman calls "dogma" is actually the true function of the church.

The Church is not obligated to appease the personal whims of outsiders (or insiders, for that matter).

Now, regarding how the Church has "clouded" the spiritual or mystical experience, I can tell you flat-out that it's not true. The Catholic Church in particular is one of the most esoteric and mystical religions the world has ever seen — if you can't have an "out of body" experience in the Catholic Church, you just aren't trying.

Catholicism is full of lore about transcendental visions, clairvoyance, telekinesis, communing with departed spirits, communing with Saints (highly-developed spirits), angels, messiahs, demons, exorcisms and everything else.

In fact, you cannot name a paranormal experience that isn't explored in Catholicism. Oftentimes, when you read or hear of some Biblical figure having a dream, it's talking about an out-of-body experience, make no mistake.

Even outside of the Bible, throughout the long history of Catholicism, there are accounts of extraordinary mystical and transcendental experiences. Just look at the lives of the Saints, for example, look at the miracles attributed to them — bodily levitation, the ability to be in multiple locations simultaneously, the ability to heal with a word or a touch, et cetera.

These are extremely advanced mystical techniques, and the Catholic Church takes all of it very seriously.

I mean, to understand how esoteric the Catholic Church is, you really need to attend a big Catholic mass sometime, in a beautiful Catholic cathedral. The entire setting is mystical.

The cathedral interior is designed to take your breath away, to jolt you into a state of awe — I believe it actually moves your awareness to a different plane, probably causes the brain to start cycling alpha-waves very strongly. There is the burning of incense, the tinkling of bells, the mesmerizing chants — the object is to engage all of your physical senses in a mystical and moving experience.

So don't try to tell me the Church has clouded or obscured the mystical and spiritual experience. It's still very much alive in the Catholic Church.

The only "dogma" you really find in Catholicism is in the politics of the Church, how the Church is organized and how certain guidelines are interpreted, for example.

Those are internal squabbles, for the most part, with the more radical thinkers clashing with dogmatic traditionalists. The biggest such squabble, of course, started in the 16th Century, when Martin Luther, a monk, decided the Church had gone far astray of its spiritual mission. Luther made it his business to set the Church straight, and in doing this he was courageous enough to chastise the Pope himself.

This led to The Reformation of the Catholic Church, and is a good example of how the radicals within the Church have successfully challenged the dogmatic traditionalists.

Originally posted by eight bits

In other words, like everybody else who has a million dollars, Randi or his foundation may make a gift of one million dollars or they may decline to make such a gift, as they see fit. There is nothing in the law to prevent them from describing this situation as a "challenge," or announcing a fixed application procedure for someone to ask them to consider making a gift.
...
The oft-repeated observation that "nobody has made it past the preliminary tests," is also, by an amazing coincidence, to say that nobody has perfected any legal obligation whatsoever for Randi or his foundation to give anybody any money if some specific condition should happen.

Until then, he and JREF can continue to say they'll give a million to anybody who makes a big enough impression on Randi and his buddies. It is, after all, a free country.
.......
That is not the case with the "Randi challenge."

And once again you are wrong. Have a look at www.randi.org... /content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html

Section 3

The JREF is a 'tax exempt' organization, so they are required by law to have a level of financial transparency. That means that the public can request things like an annual report and copies of JREF's 990 (the tax return non-profits file). Go to tfcny.fdncenter.org... (search for Randi, 2005 is here.) to look up JREF's 990. Contained within these types of documents is enough information to verify that the organization does indeed have special assets in a reserved account to cover the prize, should it ever be won. The contract between the claimant and JREF is binding enough that the JREF must pay the prize if someone wins it. This is a published, legal obligation, not just a casual offer. We have no choice in the matter. As a savvy applicant, all you need to do is verify that the organization has the funds to cover the prize. Also, if JREF were not able to hold up its end of the bargain, the IRS would investigate and pull the JREF's tax exempt status. It would mean severe penalties for the JREF, and Randi himself would also be personally liable and subject to potential incarceration. Rest assured: The money is there.

Do some research before posting about things that you do not understand

Dereks, please drop the attitude.

Your copypasta establishes no legal obligation for JREF to award the money, ever.

The principal issue which the section addressed is whether or not they have the million dollars. Yes, according to their 990, they do.

The issue discussed in my post is the absence of a legal obligation for JREF ever to award that money to anybody. That issue is "addressed" tautologically in what you quoted:

The contract between the claimant and JREF is binding enough that the JREF must pay the prize if someone wins it.

A contract, if, as, and when it was negotiated, would be binding.

Yes, it would. That's what "contract" means.

However, the "offer" is that JREF will, at its discretion and the applicant's expense, enter into negotiations for a contract. That creates no obligation for it to conclude the negotiations, and thus no obligation to award the money. Ever.

There is also a bit of smoke and mirrors (not unusal in stage magic) about how pissed the IRS would be if JREF were deceptive.

As I pointed out in my post, there is nothing unlawful about JREF saying that it will give somebody a million dollars if JREF wants to, just as there is nothing unlawful about that used car dealer talking about the million dollars in the transaction described in my post.

Thus, there is nothing to interest the IRS in any of this. Nor will there ever be, because JREF does not have a legal obligation to award the million dollars to anybody, regardless of what abilities the person might actually have.

And, of course, that was only one issue discussed in my post about the original question that was posed: whether anybody who could do something that Randi can't would pursue this "offer."

If their abilities include normal reading comprehension, then the answer is likely to be no.

[edit on 7-12-2009 by eight bits]

Originally posted by eight bits

Your copy paste establishes no legal obligation for JREF to award the money, ever.

Yes it does, but only to someone who can do what they claim - and we know that will not occur as all the psychics, dowsers, free energy machines etc. etc can not do what they claim!

Originally posted by unityemissions
First off, I've had visions since I was young. They may have been out of body experiences, they may have been an overactive imagination. I do think that our subconscious is incredibly powerful, and can teach us in many ways.

That being the case, I see no good reason to think that these experiences are any indication of life after death. The subconscious seems quite able to hold an accurate memory of our surroundings experienced. It teaches in symbols, metaphors, etc.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal

Myth 20 : Astral projection doesn't prove life after death.
Truth : People, who have experienced proper conscious OOBE even
once, start to strongly believe in life after death. Finding
themselves outside their physical bodies and still functioning,
still able to see, hear, touch, even smell and taste, still able
to do everything and more, how can anyone deny that life goes on?
_______________________________________________________________

A clear indication that this is just the mind experiencing itself is how another question mentioned seeing negative entities which could be transformed by one's will. What? How could this be, unless these entities are simply a product of an imaginative mindset?

I've been to planets and spoke with aliens. Seen aliens invade the earth. Floated above my body. Flown across my city. Shot straight up into outer space, only to lean back slightly and enjoy the ride back down. Trampolined into the upper atmosphere from a cruise ship, only to be plunged into the ocean abyss, making my way back to the waves to experience the thought of no escaping death. Have jumped off a cliff, and actually sunk into the ground, becoming one with it, etc...all incredibly vivid and while being acutely aware.

They are our subconscious teaching us. No more, or less.

You don't understand the metaphysical reality of the omniverse. Think of it this way. We are all fractals of Prime Creator, and the omniverse is also the Creator, we all co-create, our thoughts are waves, as everything is a wave or particle depending on our observation. The double slit experiment shows everything exists as a postential and possibility equally and at the same time, this is the reason one atom (wave) interacted with itself to create to create the interference pattern.

Not only that, but all things exist at the stame time, past, present and future, and everything is a fractal, (ie. you are a fractal of your higher self). Indeed there are many you's, multidimensionally existing silmutaneously in many universes, in many timelines, experiencing a great deal. Like minds gravitate together and form order, societies, culture various degrees of corporal bodies and densities. Some systems are free, others are slave systems.

In this diverse and open ended, magnificent omniverse, your thoughts co-create and partner with energy. In the end we are all One, so we partner with aspects of self and aspects of the Creator, whom we are aspects of. Its all cool. And its all a little different than you think.

So, I wouldn't be wondering if this is in someones mind.

Oh, another type of astral projection is mental projection. Thats the kind I've done, rather than leaving my body astrally or with my spirit. I would like the latter. Both times I did the mental projection, it was invovled in ET stuff. Once attempting to remote view a friends abduction experiences, and once being pulled to where we both experienced meetings to witness what was happening to my friend, with a device. In both occasions it behaved very much like an oobe, in that, it was real, if you were hugged you would feel it, it was tangible that way.

The only difference was I only had to open my eyes to wake up. But the next day, after seeing my friend with this, he was on skype very early sharing missing time, and wounds on his head. Each time, it was completely interactive, in REAL TIME. The time I tried to gather info on his abductions got them angry, they reluctantly were hosts to me, then followed me back and within a few days abducted the entire family, which we had wounds and my friend thousands of miles away in an attempt to shove us back in the subservient sheep pen, and accept our dominated role, which I don't.

So, to say its in your mind also opens an enormous realm of possibilties, since everything exists within mind, mind determines the state of wave or pattern to energy, thought itself is a wave that is tangible, and energy......Its all a part of the whole as it is.

[edit on 7-12-2009 by Unity_99]