Other translations of the verses in question (15:17-18)

015:017 Khan                And We have guarded it (near heaven) from every outcast Shaitan (devil). 015:017 Maulana                And We guard it against every accursed devil, 015:017 Pickthal                And We have guarded it from every outcast devil, 015:017 Rashad                And we guarded it against every rejected devil. 015:017 Sarwar                We have protected them from every condemned devil, 015:017 Shakir                And We guard it against every accursed Shaitan, 015:017 Sherali                And WE have guarded it against the intrusion of every rejected Satan. 015:017 Yusufali                And (moreover) We have guarded them from every cursed devil:

015:018 Khan                Except him (devil) that gains hearing by stealing, he is pursued by a clear flaming fire. 015:018 Maulana                But he who steals a hearing; so there follows him a visible flame. 015:018 Pickthal                Save him who stealeth the hearing, and them doth a clear flame pursue. 015:018 Rashad                If any of them sneaks around to listen, a mighty projectile will chase him back. 015:018 Sarwar                except for those who stealthily try to listen to the heavens, but who are chased away by a bright flame. 015:018 Shakir                But he who steals a hearing, so there follows him a visible flame. 015:018 Sherali                But if anyone hears stealthily something of revelation and distorts it, there pursues him a bright flame. 015:018 Yusufali                But any that gains a hearing by stealth, is pursued by a flaming fire, bright (to see).

Clearly we see that God and the angels claim to have designed the earth, and furthermore they protect outer space from ET or energy-being intruders. Here's another example:

[37:6] We have adorned the lowest heaven with adorning planets. [37:7] We guarded it from every evil devil. [37:8] They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side. [37:9] They have been condemned; they have incurred an eternal retribution. [37:10] If any of them ventures to charge the outer limits, he gets struck with a fierce projectile.

037:008 Khan                They cannot listen to the higher group (angels) for they are pelted from every side. 037:008 Maulana                They cannot listen to the exalted assembly and they are reproached from every side, 037:008 Pickthal                They cannot listen to the Highest Chiefs for they are pelted from every side, 037:008 Rashad                They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side. 037:008 Sarwar                The devils cannot hear those high above. They would be struck from all sides 037:008 Shakir                They cannot listen to the exalted assembly and they are thrown at from every side, 037:008 Sherali                They cannot listen to anything from the Exalted Assembly of angels - and they are pelted from every side, 037:008 Yusufali                (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side, 037:010 Khan                Except such as snatch away something by stealing and they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness. 037:010 Maulana                Except him who snatches away but once, then there follows him a brightly shining flame. 037:010 Pickthal                Save him who snatcheth a fragment, and there pursueth him a piercing flame. 037:010 Rashad                If any of them ventures to charge the outer limits, he gets struck with a fierce projectile. 037:010 Sarwar                Some of them who stealthily steal words from the heavens are pursued by a glistening flame. 037:010 Shakir                Except him who snatches off but once, then there follows him a brightly shining flame. 037:010 Sherali                But if any of them snatches away something by stealth, he is pursued by a piecing flame. 037:010 Yusufali                Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

It's clear to see, these evil alien beings have a habit of spying on the Angels, and they get shot at and destroyed. The angels are very proud of this war, for it is described many more times.

[55:33] O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization. [55:34] Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny? [55:35] You get bombarded with projectiles of fire and metal, and you cannot win.

055:035 Khan                There will be sent against you both, smokeless flames of fire and (molten) brass, and you will not be able to defend yourselves. 055:035 Maulana                The flames of fire and sparks of brass will be sent upon you, then you will not be able to defend yourselves. 055:035 Pickthal                There will be sent, against you both, heat of fire and flash of brass, and ye will not escape. 055:035 Rashad                You get bombarded with projectiles of fire and metal, and you cannot win. 055:035 Sarwar                Flames of fire and molten brass will be released against you and you will not be able to protect yourselves. 055:035 Shakir                The flames of fire and smoke will be sent on you two, then you will not be able to defend yourselves. 055:035 Sherali                There shall be sent against you a flame of fire, and molten copper; and you shall not be able to help yourselves. 055:035 Yusufali                On you will be sent (O ye evil ones twain!) a flame of fire (to burn) and a smoke (to choke): no defence will ye have:

Again, it is clear to see that the angels are very PROUD of their war, and confident that they will be the victors in battle. Also it's important to note that “brass” does not literally mean brass. Just as the book says humans are made from “mud” to denote that they are made from earthly materials, and jinns are made from “fire”, to denote energy. Much of the Qur'an is explained allegorically because people of that time frame would not have been able to grasp concepts too far over their heads. In the same way, we see stars refered to as “lamps” in this next instance:




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Videos showing proof of Alien Wars and the space battles are mentioned many times in the Qur'an

What ? .Videos are mentioned in the Qur'an

[67:3] He created seven universes in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Most Gracious. Keep looking; do you see any flaw? [67:4] Look again and again; your eyes will come back stumped and conquered. [67:5] We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and guarded its borders with projectiles against the devils; we prepared for them a retribution in Hell.

067:005 Khan                And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire. 067:005 Maulana                And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We make them means of conjectures for the devils, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning. 067:005 Pickthal                And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame. 067:005 Rashad                We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and guarded its borders with projectiles against the devils; we prepared for them a retribution in Hell. 067:005 Sarwar                We have decked the lowest heavens with torches. With these torches We have stoned the devils and We have prepared for them the torment of hell. 067:005 Shakir                And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning. 067:005 Sherali                And verily, WE have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and WE have made them the means of driving away satans, and WE have prepared for them the punishment of the blazing Fire. 067:005 Yusufali                And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Clearly we know that stars are energy, and they claim to use these “lamps” also for protection. That means they are using energy weapons.

This next example is from a chapter entitled “Jinns”, where in the first part of the chapter it is actually speaking from the perspective of the jinns. Also interesting in this chapter is the claim that humans seek power through jinns (known as white or black magick). Remember, this is supposedly the jinns saying this:

[72:6] " `Human beings used to seek power through jinn beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity. [72:7] " `They thought, just like you thought, that GOD would not send another (messenger). [72:8] " `We touched the heaven and found it filled with formidable guards and projectiles. [72:9] " `We used to sit there in order to spy. Anyone who listens is pursued by a powerful projectile.

072:008 Khan                'And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. 072:008 Maulana                And we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and flames: 072:008 Pickthal                And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur'an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors. 072:008 Rashad                " `We touched the heaven and found it filled with formidable guards and projectiles. 072:008 Sarwar                "We went near the heavens but found it to be full of strong guards and shooting flames. 072:008 Shakir                And that we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and flaming stars. 072:008 Sherali                `And we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and shooting stars, 072:008 Yusufali                'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

072:009 Khan                'And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. 072:009 Maulana                And we used to sit in some of the sitting-places thereof to steal a hearing. But he who tries to listen now finds a flame lying in wait for him: 072:009 Pickthal                And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him; 072:009 Rashad                " `We used to sit there in order to spy. Anyone who listens is pursued by a powerful projectile. 072:009 Sarwar                We used to sit near by and try to listen to the heavens, but shooting flames now await those who try to do that. 072:009 Shakir                And that we used to sit in some of the sitting-places thereof to steal a hearing, but he who would (try to) listen now would find a flame lying in wait for him: 072:009 Sherali                `And we used to sit in some of its seats to listen. But whoso listens now finds a shooting star in ambush for him, 072:009 Yusufali                'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

Interestingly enough, Enoch (known as Idris) was referenced in two times in the Qur'an: one of those times was to signify his truthfulness! Note that in the Quran, the word “prophet” denotes actually receiving scripture from God. A messenger simply delivers His message.

019:056 Khan                And mention in the Book (the Qur'an) Idris (Enoch).Verily! He was a man of truth, (and) a Prophet. 019:056 Maulana                And mention Idris in the Book. Surely he was a truthful man, a prophet, 019:056 Pickthal                And make mention in the Scripture of Idris. Lo! he was a saint, a prophet; 019:056 Rashad                And mention in the scripture Idris. He was a saint, a prophet. 019:056 Sarwar                Mention in the Book (the Quran) the story of Idris (Enoch); he was a truthful Prophet. 019:056 Shakir                And mention Idris in the Book; surely he was a truthful man, a prophet, 019:056 Sherali                And relate the story of Idris as mentioned in the Book. He was a truthful man and a Prophet. 019:056 Yusufali                Also mention in the Book the case of Idris: He was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet: 019:057 Rashad                We raised him to an honorable rank. 019:057 Sarwar                We granted him a high position. 019:057 Shakir                And We raised him high in Heaven.

021:085 Khan                And (remember) Isma'il (Ishmael), and Idris (Enoch) and Dhul-Kifl (Isaiah), all were from among As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.). 021:085 Maulana                And Ishmael and Idris and Dhu-l-Kifl; all were of the patient ones; 021:085 Pickthal                And (mention) Ishmael, and Idris, and Dhu'l-Kifl. All were of the steadfast. 021:085 Rashad                Also, Ismail, Idris, Zal-Kifl; all were steadfast, patient. 021:086 Khan                And We admitted them to Our Mercy. Verily, they were of the righteous. 021:086 Maulana                And We admitted them to Our mercy; surely they were of the good ones. 021:086 Pickthal                And We brought them in unto Our mercy. Lo! they are among the righteous. 021:086 Rashad                We admitted them into our mercy, for they were righteous.

Now, I also made the claim that there are a series of numerical / mathematical “miracles” encoded into the Quran that proves that it was made using a computer, at the least. The miracle is all based around the prime number 19.


In 29 of the 144 chapters, they are prefaced by sets of what are known as “Qur'anic initials”. They are sets of 1-5 letters that started these chapters were a complete mystery to the world until 1974, when an Egyptian microbiologist living in Tuscon, Arizona discovered their purpose.
In most of the chapters with Qur'anic initials, they appear by themselves, to start the chapter. Like:
[2:1] A.L.M.*

[7:1] A. L. M. S.*

[19:1] K. H. Y. `A. S.

In many of the chapters, however, the Qur'anic initials are followed by statements like this:
[10:1] A.L.R. These (letters) constitute the miracle of this book of wisdom.

[11:1] A.L.R. This is a scripture whose verses have been perfected, then elucidated.* It comes from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.

[12:1] A.L.R. These (letters) are proofs of this profound scripture.

[13:1] A. L. M. R. These (letters) are proofs of this scripture. What is revealed to you from your Lord is the truth, but most people do not believe.

Its clear do see that these initials were not placed to start out 29 of the chapters by accident, but there are this is just the start of how 19 is involved.

As it turns out, if you count the repetition of each of those letters added up in those chapters, it is always a multiple of 19.


Also, there are 285 numbers in the Quran (19 x 15). This number added up equals 174591 (19 x 9189). Also, even if you discount the repetition of the numbers, and only add each seperate one, you get 162146 (19 x 8534).

The Quran consists of 114 chapters, which is 19 x 6.

The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334.
Note that 6 + 3 + 4 + 6 = 19.

The word "God" (Allah) occurs in the Quran 2698 times,
and this number equals 19 x 142.

The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

"The Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times, 19 x 3.

The first verse, known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.

The word "proof" is written throughout the entire Quran 19 times.

Also, as we see in chapter 74, which is actually ENTITLED “the hidden secret”

[74:1] O you hidden secret. [74:2] Come out and warn. [74:3] Extol your Lord. [74:4] Purify your garment. (the Qur'an) …. [74:24] He said, "This is but clever magic! [74:25] "This (Qur'an) is human made." [74:26] I will commit him to retribution. [74:27] What retribution! [74:28] Thorough and comprehensive. [74:29] Obvious to all the people. [74:30] Over it is nineteen. [74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people. [74:32] Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon. [74:33] And the night as it passes. [74:34] And the morning as it shines. [74:35] This is one of the great miracles.

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Furthermore, if you write down the number of each Verse in the Quran, preceded for each Chapter by the number of Verses in that Chapter. Thus, Chapter 1 (The Key), which consists of seven Verses, will be represented by the number 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. What we are doing here is forming long numbers by writing the numbers of Verses next to each other. To find the number representing Chapter 2, you write down the number of Verses in this Chapter, number representing Chapter 2 will look like this : 286 12345 .... 284285286

This process is continued until every Verse in the Quran is written down, thus forming one very long number encompassing the number of every Verse in the Quran. The number representing the whole Quran is a multiple of 19 and consists of 12692 digits. 12692 (the number of digits, not the number itself) is equal to 19 x 668.

Also, the actual number that is 12692 digits long is a multiple of 19.

Now instead of putting the total number of Verses in every Chapter ahead of the Chapter, let us put it at the end of every Chapter.
Since we are putting the total number of Verses per Chapter at the end of each Chapter, we must put the total number of numbered Verses (6234) at the end of the Quran. Therefore the last number represent the last Chapter (123456 6), followed by the number of Verses in the Quran (6234) : This 12696 digits long number is also a multiple of 19.

Also if you write down the number of every Verse in every Chpater, followed by the number of the Chapter, followed by the number of Verses in the Chapter, this number is 12930 digits and it is a multiple of 19

Now instead of putting the total number of Verses in every Chpater after the Chpater, let us put it ahead of the Chapter. This new number consists of 123456 digits and is a multiple of 19.

Now let us write down the number of every Verse in every Chapter, followed by the sum of Verse numbers for every Chapter. Chapter 1 consists of 7 Verses, and the sum of Verse numbers is 1+2+3+4+5+6+7=28 Yup, you guessed it. This number is a multiple of 19.

Now let us reverse the above order, meaning put the sum of Verse numbers ahead of Chapter. The resulting long number still is a multiple of 19

Even if we write down the above order backward. Meaning start from Chapter 114 to 1.. Yup, still a multiple of 19.

What if we write down the sum of Verse numbers for the whole Quran (333410), followed by the number of Verses in the Quran (6234), then the number of Chapters (114), followed by the Chapter number, then the number of Verses? This 474 digit number is a multiple of 19

Even if we reverse the process again this 474 digit number is still a multiple of 19.

This is just scratching the surface of how 19 is encoded in the Qur'an.

Originally posted by gortex

Videos showing proof of Alien Wars and the space battles are mentioned many times in the Qur'an

What ? .Videos are mentioned in the Qur'an

Not to be rude, but maybe you dont understand the word "and".

Well i must admit i am skeptical of all of this (but then again i am skeptical of my own faith ) but should what you say not be a gross over-embellishment or yield solid indisputable evidence i would be most excited to see it. My personal belief is that there are other beings in our galaxy and possibly in our solar system. Given the vastness of our universe it would be absurd to think that we are the only creatures that have came into sentience. In the grans cosmological scale our time on this planet is like a fleck of sand in the middle of rainforest. Insignificant, small, barely noticeable that one could say we never even existed. Should we be so bold as to think we are the only beings to have stumbled upon this knowledge?

Very interesting thread OP. I'm not convinced, i still have to do personal digging. But nonetheless very interesting.

wow, the first video is gone. It wasn't removed and given that notice saying that it was removed due to .... It just says this video is missing.

Oh, yeah. Also it's important to point out the fact that Rashad Khalifa (the one who discovered the 19 based numerical code) was assasinated by a CIA-backed "terrorist group" that is BASED IN THE U.S.A. / Canada.

He was murdered in the typical fashion that we've seen with many microbiologists lately: Stabbed multiple times and then set alight. Well, they must have forgotten their lighter in their other pants, because they only covered him in lighter fluid, but didn't light him up... Oops.

The terrorist organization is Jamaat al-Fuqra, and they claim to have 45
paramilitary training organizations IN THE USA/CANADA..

Yet they are not on ANY terrorist watch list!! This is even after they supposedly "helped" Osama bin Laden in the 1993 WTC attack.

Smells a little fishy...

One more strange thing in the Quran, it seems as though its referring specifically to the invasion of Iraq (which of course is holy land).

I believe by the "fast runners" or "chargers" it is refering to the fighter jets that dropped the bombs.

This is Sura 100, entitled "The Chargers", and this is the complete chapter:


[100:1] By the fast runners.

[100:2] Igniting sparks.

[100:3] Invading (the enemy) by morning.

[100:4] Leaving a cloud of dust.

[100:5] Penetrating to the heart of their territory.

[100:6] The human being is unappreciative of his Lord.

[100:7] He bears witness to this fact.

[100:8] He loves material things excessively.

[100:9] Does he not realize that the day will come when the graves are opened?

[100:10] And all secrets are brought out.

[100:11] They will find out, on that day, that their Lord has been fully Cognizant of them.


But as we look at the other translations, there's a few things going on.. The first is that the translators assumed it was horses that is being talked a out, igniting sparks with their hooves. This is one explanation, but as we look at the translations we see that it did not specifically refer to horses making the sounds, they assumed it meant "panting" or "snorting", when it did NOT say that in Arabic. This is why the translations differ so much. It is very vague, and would have been more specific if actually talking about men on horseback. The Quran does this so many generations find meanings.

And of course, the invasion of Iraq began at At 5:34 AM Baghdad time on March 20, 2003.

Let's look at the other translations:

100:001 Khan By the (steeds) that run, with panting (breath),

100:001 Maulana By those running and uttering cries!

100:001 Pickthal By the snorting courses,

100:001 Rashad By the fast runners.

100:001 Sarwar (I swear) by the snorting chargers (of the warriors), whose hoofs strike against the rocks

100:001 Shakir I swear by the runners breathing pantingly,

100:001 Sherali By the snorting charges

100:001 Yusufali By the (Steeds) that run, with panting (breath),

We can see that neither panting, breathing, OR horses was refered to specifically. That is just the their assumption

100:002

100:002 Khan Striking sparks of fire (by their hooves),

100:002 Maulana And those producing fire, striking!

100:002 Pickthal Striking sparks of fire

100:002 Rashad Igniting sparks.

100:002 Sarwar and produce sparks

100:002 Shakir Then those that produce fire striking,

100:002 Sherali Which strike sparks of fire with their hoofs,

100:002 Yusufali And strike sparks of fire,

100:003

100:003 Khan And scouring to the raid at dawn

100:003 Maulana And those suddenly attacking at morn!

100:003 Pickthal And scouring to the raid at dawn,

100:003 Rashad Invading (the enemy) by morning.

100:003 Sarwar while running during a raid at dawn,

100:003 Shakir Then those that make raids at morn,

100:003 Sherali Making raids at dawn,

100:003 Yusufali And push home the charge in the morning,

100:004

100:004 Khan And raise the dust in clouds the while,

100:004 Maulana Then thereby they raise dust,

100:004 Pickthal Then, therewith, with their trail of dust,

100:004 Rashad Leaving a cloud of dust.

100:004 Sarwar and leave behind a cloud of dust

100:004 Shakir Then thereby raise dust,

100:004 Sherali And raising clouds of dust thereby,

100:004 Yusufali And raise the dust in clouds the while,

100:005

100:005 Khan Penetrating forthwith as one into the midst (of the foe);

100:005 Maulana Then penetrate thereby gatherings --

100:005 Pickthal Cleaving, as one, the centre (of the foe),

100:005 Rashad Penetrating to the heart of their territory.

100:005 Sarwar which engulfs the enemy.

100:005 Shakir Then rush thereby upon an assembly:

100:005 Sherali And thus penetrate into the centre of the enemy ranks.

100:005 Yusufali And penetrate forthwith into the midst (of the foe) en masse;-

100:006

100:006 Khan Verily! Man (disbeliever) is ungrateful to his Lord;

100:006 Maulana Surely man is ungrateful to his Lord.

100:006 Pickthal Lo! man is an ingrate unto his Lord

100:006 Rashad The human being is unappreciative of his Lord.

100:006 Sarwar The human being is certainly ungrateful to his Lord.

100:006 Shakir Most surely man is ungrateful to his Lord.

100:006 Sherali Surely, man is ungrateful to his Lord.

100:006 Yusufali Truly man is, to his Lord, ungrateful;

100:007

100:007 Khan And to that fact he bears witness (by his deeds);

100:007 Maulana And surely he is a witness of that.

100:007 Pickthal And lo! he is a witness unto that;

100:007 Rashad He bears witness to this fact.

100:007 Sarwar He himself knows this very well.

100:007 Shakir And most surely he is a witness of that.

100:007 Sherali And, surely, he bears witness to it by his conduct.

100:007 Yusufali And to that (fact) he bears witness (by his deeds);

100:008

100:008 Khan And verily, he is violent in the love of wealth.

100:008 Maulana And truly on account of the love of wealth he is niggardly.

100:008 Pickthal And lo! in the love of wealth he is violent.

100:008 Rashad He loves material things excessively.

100:008 Sarwar He certainly has a strong love for wealth and riches.

100:008 Shakir And most surely he is tenacious in the love of wealth.

100:008 Sherali And, surely, he is passionate in his love for wealth.

100:008 Yusufali And violent is he in his love of wealth.





This seems like it is forecasting the Iraq war, and is telling them they WILL be judged.



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