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Behind the Mask of the "Progressives"

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posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:59 PM
I have see a surge of threads here on ATS, undoubtedly influenced by some Beckian thought, that the moniker most commonly used today for what was once referred to as ‘liberalism’, “progressivism”, is used as a discreet allusion to Communism, or more accurately it’s more sinister cousin, Stalinism. If yesteryear’s ‘buzzword’ to generate public fear was ‘communism’, followed by ‘terrorism’, then today’s new angle of attack is one those who fall under the ‘progressive’ ideal. The Cold War saw a vicious campaign mounted by the government through the alphabet soup agencies and the media upon all bastions of left oriented thought, and more importantly upon individuals and organizations with a social-oriented mindset, leading in some cases to state sponsored assassination, crime, and terrorism. Today’s right continues to wage a Cold War against the figures of “progressivism”, yet declining to acknowledge that two of the most notable ‘progressive’ members of our government are Dennis Kucinich, who has recently spoke out against Obama’s recent decisions regarding the Middle East, and Bernie Sanders, a socialist senator who has been a major figure next to Ron Paul in the movement to audit the Federal Reserve and has attempted to put a hold on the re-nomination of Ben Bernanke to the position of chief of the Federal Reserve.

The right wing arm of the corporate media steers us away from the true progressives of the American political system into an assault on what they brand as figureheads of “progressivism”: President Obama and former presidents Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt. An examination of these figures shatters the façade of the media claim that these figures are Communists in disguise, hell bent on the destruction of capitalism (which has all but entirely replaced today by rampant corporatism), the United States and the construction of a global socialist dictatorship.

Most people today have acknowledged the role of Wall Street in the Obama administration (yet for some reason they continue to cling to the Obama is a socialist! battle cry), yet it is worth repeating for the same of this short study. We can start with Timothy Geithner, Obama’s pick for the US Secretary of Treasury, whose nomination has exposed one of the most blatant examples of Revolving Door politics in US history: he was previously the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

He began working for the US Treasury department twenty one years ago in, 1988, after a three year stint at Kissinger Associates, an international consulting firm established in 1982 former National Security Advisor and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Kissinger made the establishment of the company possible by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, and quickly expanded its clientele to include AIG, Chase Manhattan Bank and Lehman Brothers. Following his tenure at the Treasury, Geithner joined the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Monetary Fund, attended Bildeberg (can’t pinpoint the date for this), and finally joined the Federal Reserve. Christopher Whalen, managing director and co-founder of Institutional Risk Analytics, has this to point out about Timothy Geithner:

"I believe Tim Geithner only represents part of Wall Street - Goldman Sachs," he says, suggesting Goldman was the "primary beneficiary of the AIG bailout" and notes Goldman alum Stephen Friedman serves on the board of the NY Fed. (Hank Paulson and Robert Rubin, with whom Geithner had frequent meetings in the past year, are also Goldman alum.)

Timothy Geithner: Too Close to Goldman Sachs

Timothy Geithner is also a member of the Trilateral Commission, a secretive organization dedicated to the economic cooperation of the US, Japan and Europe founded by former Secretary of State, founder of the concept of “geo-politics” and Rockefeller advisor Zbigniew Brzezinksi and then -Council on Foreign Relation director and former Chase Bank head (with numerous CIA ties), David Rockefeller. Obama would nominate eleven members of the Trilateral Commission to his cabinet.

According to official Trilateral Commission membership lists, there are only eighty-seven members from the United States (the other 337 members are from other countries). Thus, within two weeks of his inauguration, Obama’s appointments encompassed more than 12 percent of Commission’s entire US membership.
Trilateral appointees include:
* Secretary of Treasury, Tim Geithner
* Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice
* National Security Advisor, Gen. James L. Jones
* Deputy National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon
* Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volker
* Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair
* Assistant Secretary of State, Asia & Pacific, Kurt M. Campbell
* Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg
* State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Haass
* State Department, Special Envoy, Dennis Ross
* State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Holbrooke
There are many other links in the Obama administration to the Trilateral Commission. For instance, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is married to Commission member William Jefferson Clinton.
Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner’s informal group of advisors include E. Gerald Corrigan, Paul Volker, Alan Greenspan, and Peter G. Peterson, all members. Geithner’s first job after college was with Trilateralist Henry Kissinger at Kissinger Associates.

Obama’s Trilateral Commission Team

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posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:59 PM
Geithner would arrange the AIG bailouts, where $12.9 American taxpayer dollars were funneled into the coffers of Goldman Sachs, continuing a web that can be traced back to atleast 1982 with the establishment of Kissinger Associates. Of course, this wasn’t the first time this had happened. George W. Bush’s Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson had begun working for Goldman Sachs in 1974, and thirty years later he was operating as the head of the company. In 2006, working alongside Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, he gave AIG the first bailout of $85 billion dollars.

To make matters more suspect, Goldman Sachs was the second largest campaign contributor to the Obama campaign, donating $994,795. The other Wall Street contributors to the campaign include Citigroup ($701,290), which received $25 billion in Federal TARP money in November of 2008, and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co ($695,132), whose biggest asset is Goldman Sachs and who is linked to CitiGroup via former CEO Jamie Dimon. Morgan Stanley, a descendant from the J.P. Morgan empire, donated $514,881, and General Electric, who does insurance business with AIG in Japan, donated $449,130.

The revolving door is all too apparent here. These companies, the heart of the corporatist ‘occupation’ of this nation, are intertwined at an excruciatingly detailed level, and here is clear proof of them making inroads into the current so-called ‘progressive’ leader, Barack Obama. Yet people still claim he is a socialist…

This trend is nothing new. Fox New’s (whose offices are, incidentally, located in Rockefeller Plaza) golden boy Glenn Beck traces the origin of progressivism to Woodrow Wilson, the 28th President of the United States whose actions led to the creation of the Federal Reserve.

Widely acknowledged as the “Power Behind the Throne” of Woodrow Wilson’s first term was one Edward M. House, a diplomat who had written a book entitled Philip Dru: Administrator, detailing a civil war and eventual dictatorship in America. In 1918 Wilson gave House the responsibility of drafting up the constitution of the Leauge of Nations, an “inter-governmental organization founded as a result of the Treaty of Versailles.” House would frequently have meetings with Robert Cecil and Alfred Milner about the League of Nations. Milner, a British statesmen, was tied to the Pilgrim’s Society, an Anglo-American elitist organization that is currently tied J.P. Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, GE, GM, Lehman Brothers and AIG. House would also attend the infamous Paris meeting in 1919 that resulted in the establishment of the Council on Foreign Relations, alongside others that included Lionel George Curtis (secretary to Alfred Milner) and Paul Warburg, the early advocate of the Federal Reserve whose family is tied deeply to the Wall Street system.

Woodrow Wilson is most famous for his role in creating the Federal Reserve through persuading of Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. The establishment of the Federal Reserve, however, can also be tied to the Pilgrim’s Society mentioned above:

The founding of the Federal Reserve system in the United States in 1913, which is often portrayed as a banker's conspiracy, can also be traced to members of the Pilgrims. The conspiracy centered on a meeting at Jekyll Island in November 1910 in which leading bankers worked out the details of setting up a privately-owned central bank in the United States. Those that attended were Senator Nelson Aldrich, whose daughter married John D. Rockefeller, Jr. in 1901 and who was the person to introduce the banker's plan to Congress; Frank Vanderlip, president of the Rockefellers' National City Bank; Henry Davison, a partner of J.P. Morgan & Co. and a representative of the Astor interests; Charles Norton, president of the Morgan-dominated First National Bank of New York; Benjamin Strong, Jr. vice president of the Banker's Trust of New York, also controlled by the Morgans; and Paul Warburg, a partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Co. Pilgrims researcher Charles Savoie has labeled virtually all of the Jekyll Island visitors as Pilgrims. This author has not seen the original sources in this case, but it is clear that many descendents, family members and business partners of the Jekyll Island conspirators have appeared in the Pilgrims. Among the descendants and families have been Benjamin Strong, Frank Vanderlip, Jr., the Warburg family and many Aldriches. The financial advisor to Senator Nelson Aldrich, Alfred L. Aiken, was a Pilgrim, and so was Aldrich's associate in Congress, Edward B. Vreeland. Paul Warburg's partners at Kuhn, Loeb, Jacob Schiff and Otto Kahn, were both Pilgrims, just as members of the Rockefeller, Morgan and Astor families. Since then Pilgrims have dominated the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and also had considerable presence on the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), the main body of the Federal Reserve that decides on monetary policy. In other words, the Pilgrims are very relevant to the history of the Federal Reserve and the financial history of the United States.

The above shows the interconnections between the Federal Reserve and Wall Street, the real ‘operators’ behind the mask. Yet people still equate the Central Bank with Communism… and it begs the question: if Woodrow Wilson is the original progressive, and progressivism is secretly a communist oriented movement, then why is he consorting with and establishing organizations that empower Wall Street?
I have run out of time for now, but later I will post on FDR, whose Wall Street connections are even more apparent.

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posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:02 PM
Came for the title..."Masks are things that draw me in quickly".

Stayed for the read...well made thread,filled with sturdy information and very thought provoking.

Star and flag to you, good sir.

(would have given more if it was possible)

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posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:51 PM
Superbly written and researched. Thank you for the excellent read.

I'm glad we're finally starting to see some intelligent push back on ATS to counter the rabid and aggressive MSM ideologues.

How can anyone claim Obama is a Socialist/Communist in the face of such obvious evidence that he is merely the continuation of a long and interconnected lines of corporate fascism? I'll say this: the MSM and hard right ideologues have done a wonderful job in separating truth from reality.

Also, thank you for the information on the Pilgrim's League and Geithner's ties to the Trilateral Commission, as I was unaware of them previously.

I've encountered some extremely quality threads from ATS this week, glad to see I can add another to the list.

posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:49 PM
Obama is just a front man and a great speaker that is using NLP on the climatologists and the minorities and the fake left band wagon. He is not left, right, conservative, liberal, or any other term.

Think of him like the public relations person at your company. He is the guy that does the interviews, takes questions and gets the answers from the entourage of handlers like Laurence Summers that stand behind him.

As long as we keep talking as if Obama is actually deciding anything, we are just pandering to the fake left right paradigm.

posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 11:15 PM
Thanks for the replies, guys. However, I feel that since the info I've presented - which I believe is quite important to our current understanding of the world, albeit in it's extremely abridged form - will not be acknowledged by many viewers on this site since it does not fall into the left-right paradigm and the current sensationalist outpourings of the present political climate.

How can anyone claim Obama is a Socialist/Communist in the face of such obvious evidence that he is merely the continuation of a long and interconnected lines of corporate fascism? I'll say this: the MSM and hard right ideologues have done a wonderful job in separating truth from reality.

I agree completely with you. Even the idea that the bailouts are part of some "arch-scheme" to collapse the economy until it is ripe for the "takeover" is ludicrous; if this was the case, the corporations would know if it was and they wouldn't accept the bailouts. Wall Street is an incestuous crew of individuals, not loyal to their individual company because it a matter of years they will have jumped from one to another. The corporate connections to the Obama administration prove that Obama is simply a facet of a large corporatist scheme to keep themselves in afloat and in control. For those who think that Obama is truly a secret Communist, take into consideration this chart from The Political Compass:

Compare this with:

Where does Obama truly fall in relation to real left-right individuals?

Also, thank you for the information on the Pilgrim's League and Geithner's ties to the Trilateral Commission, as I was unaware of them previously.

No problem. I've abandoned the traditional "NWO" theories that I indulged in some time ago in exchange for the more simple explanation of 'vested interests'. However, the majority of problems in today can be traced to a core group of individuals, among them the Pilgims Society, but also Le Cercle, the CFR and the Trilaterals, the groups operating 'behind' Wall Street, so to speak.

Tomorrow I will post my info on Franklin D. Roosevelt. I am also considering expanding the abridged study to include the "counter-coup" against Roosevelt, organized in part by Du Pont, as well as the Wall Street funding of the Nazi party, and seemingly contradictory, the Bolshevik revolution.

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posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 12:44 AM
I am guilty as charged for being inflammatory on this topic.

And I must say OP this is excellent, well written and researched.

Before I was done ranting, i had used words like Corporate Socialism and Post Modern Feudalism to try and describe what I was saying.

You sir have done a better job in analysis by far of what this man is and what where this going.

All that aside...

I prefer to leave labels terms and analysis to historians.

Kudos ...

I will look forward to reading more of what you post.

Lets shed some further light on this subject.

posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 10:51 AM

For an American president FDR made a great member of the Kremlin.

The above quote comes from a short article entitled FDR: Great President Or Socialist Disaster?. It in itself is a reflection of the growing trend of paranoia of a 'socialist' takeover of America. However, Franklin Delanor Roosevelt is as far from a simple 'commie' as can be.

FDR hailed from one of the wealthiest elite families in American history, descending from the Delano family, who can trace their origins to the Pilgrim who arrived at Plymouth on the Mayflower, and whose other illustrious relatives include Zachary Taylor, Ulysses S. Grant, Calvin Coolidge, Martha Dandridge (wife of George Washington), and allegedly Winston Churchill ("eighth cousins, once removed"). Lyman Delano, the grandfather of FDR, was a railroad executive, serving on the board of directors of Atlantic Coast Line Railroad, as well as acting as dirctor of the Aviation Corporation and Pan America Airways.

Another prominent Delano was FDR's "favorite uncle", Frederic Adrian Delano, who, like Lyman Delano, dabbled in the executive world of railroad tycoons. In 1914 Woodrow Wilsonwould appoint Frederic Delano to the position of first vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve. As Antony Sutton points out in Wall Street and FDR, by this time Frederic Delano had intimate knowledge of the internation banking system, as indicated by this letter from Benjamin Strong, one of the key players in the establishment in the Federal Reserve:

December 11, 1916
My Dear Fred: Would it be possible for you to send me in strict confidence the figures obtained by the Comptroller as to holdings of foreign securities by national banks? I would be a good deal influenced in my opinion in regard the present situation if I could get hold of these figures, which would be treated with such confidence as you suggest.
If the time ever comes when you are able to slip away for a week or so for a bit of a change and rest, why not take a look at Denver and incidentally pay me a visit? There are a thousand things I would like to talk over with you.
Faithfully yours,
Benjamin Strong
Hon. F. A. Delano
Federal Reserve Board, Washington, D.C.

However, the Roosevelts were also intimately bound to Wall Street. In 1784 James Roosevelt founded the Bank of New York, and in 1875 the Chemical National Bank was founded by Cornelius Roosevelt, the grandfather of the 26th President of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, who was the founder of the 1912 Progressive Party platform.

Franklin Roosevelt himself can trace his own beginnings to Wall Street. For three years he worked at the law firm of Carter, Ledyard and Milburn, a company whose principle client was J. Pierpoint Morgan, and had represented Standard Oil in antitrust cases. Future alumni from Carter, Ledyard and Milburn would include Frank Wisner, the head of OSS operations in South Eastern Europe before becoming Directorate of Plans at the CIA in the 1960s. Wisner would be key in organizing Operation Ajax, the 1953 coup d'etat in Iran that has spurred fifty years of violent blowback. The formal leader of Operation Ajax was one Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., the grandson of Theodore Roosevelt. On the other hand, Frank Wisner's son, Frank G. Wisner, was recently the vice chairman of AIG, while back in 1997 he was tied to Enron.

But we digress.

FDR was appointed Secretary of the Navy by Woodrow Wilson in 1914. Antony Sutton points out:

We should note in passing that, when FDR first went to Washington D.C. in 1916 to become Assistant Secretary of the Navy, it was Thomas W. Lamont—international banker and most influential of the Morgan partners—who leased the FDR home in New York

In 1932 Roosevelt was elected President of the United States, at the height of the Great Depression. 32 of 48 of the states had closed their banks, the Federal Reserve was unable to open, millions were homeless, crime was rampant, and the farming industry was shattered. The carefree swirl of capitalism and corporatism was collapsing, falling on Roosevelt's shoulders to dig the country out of the mess. From the get-go Roosevelt, quite rightfully so, layed the blaim on the Wall Street bankers, and in less than a year he proposed the idea of a New Deal. He lacked a specific plan to deal with the impression, so he had Congress consult various groups. The Socialist Party attempted to have their solution proposed, but their influence was eradicated and they were not allowed to participate. This weakens any supposed link between FDR and any hidden socialist machinations.

In the New Deal the gold standard was removed, and the National Recovery Administration was created.

As part of the "First New Deal," the NRA was based on the premise that the Great Depression was caused by market instability and that government intervention was necessary to balance the interests of farmers, business and labor. The National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which created the NRA, declared that codes of fair competition should be developed through public hearings, and gave the Administration the power to develop voluntary agreements with industries regarding work hours, pay rates, and price fixing.

National Recovery Administration

The administrator of Roosevelt's National Recovery Administration was Hugh Johnson, the protege of FDR and Woodrow Wilson adviser Bernard Baruch. Baruch was responsible in part for the creation of the Council on Foreign Relations and had set on the War Industries Board during the Wilson administration, playing a "major role in turning American industry to full-scale war production." He is the inventor of the military industrial complex, the revolving door between arms manufacturers and defense contractors with the Federal government:

posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Committees of industry, big business and small business, both represented in Washington, and both with Washington representation back home—this could be the backbone of the whole structure.

His Wartime Industries Board was tied to the Wall Street cartel, with it's vice chairman Alexander Legge of International Harvester, and Baruch's personal assistant, Herbert Bayard Swope, brother of Gerard Swope of General Electric. Baruch also held lofty economic ideas, proposing plans to relax anti-trust laws and close cooperation of the corporate world and American government. Antony Suttons also presents evidence that Baruch was the 'key operating working behind the scenes' in the campaign of FDR, culling money and influence from big business - including donations from the Colonel Edward House (mentioned in some of the previous posts), Joseph P. Kennedy (father of JFK) and Henry Morgenthau (whose father was involved in the Armenian Genocide), representing the interests of Bank of N.Y. & Trust Co.

The NRA was ultimately the brainchild of Gerard Swope, the president of General Electric (who leadership is generally tied to the Pilgrim's Society), and he would become one of the three corporate heads of the system, alongside the aformentioned Hugh Johnson and Walter C. Teagle, the president of Standard Oil of New Jersey (remember that FDR got his start at a law firm tied to Standard Oil). Other Wall Street ties into the Administration and it's several "Brain Trusts" existed: FDR's financial adviser was James Wurburg, who would later work alongisde William "Wild Bill" Donovan, the wartime head of the OSS and "father" of the CIA, who has been a classmate of FDR James's brother, Paul Warburg, was a key figure in creating the Federal Reserve, and was placed on the bord by Woodrow Wilson. Paul Warburg was a partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Co, the chief rival of J.P. Morgan and parent company of Lehman Brothers.

So what do we have in the end?

George Orwell wrote that the inevitable evolution of capitalism was corporatism, a term that Mussolini stated should be the real name of fascism. However, corporatism is large and bloated, and as in today, in the 1930s it showed signs of failing. The capitalists were forced to embrace "lemon socialism" as a means of sustaining themselves. Lemon socialism does not refer to true socialism, but a corruption of the free market system in which companies that would normally be allowed to fall are forced to be maintained. Our current bailouts, which we've seen having been engineered by Wall Street, are a prime example of lemon socialism. The key to lemon socialism is found in the adage "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor". In our capitalist-corporatist driven society we are programmed to believe that the Free Market is the ultimate expression of freedom. Yet we've seen the development of state protection for the corporations, mainly through their own tentancles snaking through the power structures of this country and those abroad. The corporate masters are financial protected, receive bail outs while those of us below them are forced to make due in the rat race of free markets. As Bernie Sanders, a true progressive, said of the bail-outs:

“This is the most extreme example that I can recall of socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor”.

posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 09:53 PM
I too see Obama as center-right, or at least that's the way he's governing now.

As a lefty I still find him more progressive than anything the Republicans have offered for a long time. But yes, he's a far cry from either socialism or communism (and yes, there is a difference). He's definitely a capitalist.

It's just that the country has moved so far to the right that now center-right looks like communism to a lot of people.

I remember when Obama was first elected a reporter in the MSM said she fervently hoped that he would "govern from the center." Her definition of the "center"? Concentrating his whole administration on energy independence. In other words, maintaining the status quo.

I do think, though, that Obama himself has made some significant changes in our country. Anyone who is interested should go to and check out his "promises kept" section under the "Obameter." These accomplisments remain under the radar because most people think only about the economy, the wars, and health care, all of which are in progress at this time.

I stop short at calling Obama a mere puppet of the corporations, but he's not exactly their enemy either. Unless you've talked to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies lately.

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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I would have to disagree with you that Obama isn't a friend of corporations: he's allowing them to exist by feeding them vast sums of tax payer dollars! He's allowing a series of failed capitalists, who incidentally have ties into his administration, to continue to exist.

He follows a distinctive trend of the individuals that the Right Wing media has labeled "progressive". Take a look at these quotes, the first from Woodrow Wilson and the second from FDR:

Suppose you go to Washington and try to get at your government. You will always find that while you are politely listened to, the men really consulted are the men who have the big stake--the big bankers, the big manufacturers and the big masters of commerce…. The masters of the government of the United States are the combined capitalists and manufacturers of the United States.

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson—and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W.[Woodrow Wilson]. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States—only on a far bigger and broader basis.

These people have dedicated themselves - at least in appearances, to toppling the capitalist regime and pulling up the working class - yet they surround themselves with individuals operating in the world they claim to be against. Woodrow Wilson allowed Wall Street to assume complete control of monetary system of this country through the creation of the Federal Reserve, and FDR enforced it with the destruction of the gold standard, blocking any socialist input on ideas for recovery from the Depression, and letting Wall Street into his brain trust for the New Deal. Obama attends at least one meeting of the Democratic Socialist Party and speakings of spreading the wealth around, yet the only place he spreads it around is in the corridors of economic power while the rest of us worry about our jobs and how we'll pay for this or pay for that. He speaks of a transition in health care but allows pharmaceutical companies to take part in the creation of the health care bill. He allows the military industrial complex to continue growing through the Middle East, increasing the troop presence and speaking in veiled whispers about actions against Pakistan.

Another large betrayal of any real socialist leanings he may have had comes in that he supports the globalization of capitalism. The world grows smaller as the brand names become larger. As we parade around the world on our tanks we spread American-style capitalism along with us - there are McDonalds in Kuwait, Pizza Huts and Burger Kings in Iraq, KFC in Afghanistan and Coca-Cola can be found across the Middle East.

These left wing figures prop up the Right, allow it to exist and flourish. The Right's media obscures these facts by screaming "Communist!" "Socialist!". This isn't simply an American problem though; it's indicative of an Invisible State that spans continents and languages, regardless of currency, national border, religion, political leaning or cultural ideology. These are some images of this Invisible State:

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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 12:05 PM

One continuing to claim that Obama's goal is the eradication of the Wall Street system needs to look no further than Vice President Joseph Biden (who?), and those that helped select him as the running mate of Obama.

A senator from Delaware since 1973, Biden has been on the Foreign Relations Committee (playing a key role in lobbying for US intervention in the Bosnian War, as well as voteing for the Iraq War), wrote the laws that created the Drug Czar, and most tellingly, helped pass the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act. The Act was the brainchild of MBNA, a bank holding company that, since 2005, as been aquired by Bank of America. From 1999 to 2004, MBNA has donated $147,700 to Joseph Biden, a hefty sum that has ranked them as his biggest campaign contributor.

What did MBNA get for all that money? While Mr. Biden's main work has been on the Foreign Relations Committee, he has been a consistent advocate for MBNA. He has actively supported the company's favorite federal legislation, the Bankruptcy Reform Act, which would make it more difficult for consumers to escape their credit card debt.

Expired: How a Credit King Was Cut Off

The above link as gives us this nugget of information:

The company also has ties to Senator Biden's son, R. Hunter Biden, a lawyer in Washington. Hunter Biden joined MBNA as a management trainee after graduating from Yale Law School and rose to be an executive vice president. Now a partner in Oldaker, Biden & Belair, a lobbying and law firm, he receives a $100,000 annual retainer from MBNA to advise it on "the Internet and privacy law," Mr. Freeh said. He added that Hunter Biden was not a registered lobbyist and did not lobby on legislation for the company.

The mentioned-above 'Mr. Freeh' is Louis Freeh, an FBI director turned MBNA director (as well as legal represenative for Bandar bin Sultan. In a pretty tangled web, Freeh's senior advisor at the FBI was one James R. Bucknam, now an Executive Vice President of Kroll Inc, a private Wall Street "CIA" (for lack of a better word) whose parent company is AIG. Kroll is also tied to Enron via Stephen Cooper, the head of Kroll Zolfo Cooper who began acting as CEO of Enron during it's collapse. The web tightens when you consider that former AIG CEO Frank Wisner Jr. (son of Frank Wisner of OSS and CIA fame, as well as a known CIA asset dealing with "economic espionage") has also been the head of Enron. Then you have this:

The company [MBNA] also hired an outside investigator, Kroll Inc., to audit work done at two of Mr. Cawley's homes, including construction of a 16-car garage to showcase some of his classic cars, Mr. Freeh said. The Kroll investigators found that two vendors had not billed Mr. Cawley for their services, said Michael G. Cherkasky, the president of Kroll. The vendors said they had done ''a favor for Charlie,'' Mr. Cherkasky said, but after Kroll spotted the lapses, the contractors billed him and he paid in full.

And this:

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 13, 1999--American International Group, Inc. (AIG) has announced that member companies of AIG have signed a letter of intent with MBNA America Bank, N.A. to underwrite automobile, homeowners, and personal umbrella insurance products for MBNA customers.

Thenew marketing relationship will begin in the first quarter of 1999, offering AIG auto insurance to MBNA customers nationwide with other AIG insurance products added in the future. Under the terms of the agreement, AIG companies will underwrite the property-casualty insurance products and provide customer and claims service while MBNA will be responsible for marketing AIG insurance products to MBNA customers.

AIG Chairman M.R. Greenberg said, "This agreement with MBNA, the largest independent credit card lender in the world, represents a significant opportunity for AIG to increase its personal lines insurance businesses, which have grown rapidly over the past several years through the use of various distribution strategies in many markets. We are pleased to partner with such a respected and successful organization as MBNA in pursuit of this substantial opportunity."

AIG to Provide Personal Insurance Products to MBNA Customers

So who helped select Biden, essentially a mouthpiece for MBNA, as the running mate of President Obama?

Enter James A. Johnson.

Johnson has been a longtime player in the Democratic Party, acting as the campaign manager for Walter Mondale (Jimmy Carter's Vice President, a member of the Trilateral Commission), and the chaired the vice presidential selection committee for both John Kerry and Barack Obama. He's also a member of the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations and the American Friends of Bildeberg. Interesting, yes, but not to be unexpected. From those credentials alone we can assertain that Mr. Johnson is quite the Elite. But his work in the private sector is extremely revealings.

From 1985 to 1990, James A. Johnson was managing director of Lehman Brothers, before becoming vice chairman of Fannie Mae from 1990 to 1991. From 1991 to 1998 he acted as the chairman and chief executive officer of Fannie Mae, a time during which Fannie Mae had "had improperly deferred $200 million in expenses".

Johnson now sits on the board of directors of - no surprises here - Goldman Sachs, as is a business partner of - again, no surpirse - George Soros. He is also the Vice Chairman of Perseus LLC,

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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 12:05 PM
reply to post by Someone336

a merchant bank and private equity fund management company headquartered in Washington, D.C., with an office in New York and an advisory office in Munich. Perseus has invested in numerous growth equity, buyout, and distressed transactions in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe. Perseus manages seven private equity funds. Since its inception in 1995, Perseus has made investments in more than 60 portfolio companies in a wide variety of industries in which Perseus and its principals have expertise, including healthcare, energy, environmental, and engineering technologies, and branded consumer products. Perseus has $1.5 billion in funds under management. Perseus also co-manages a $449 million fund that invests exclusively in life sciences companies.

The head chairman of Perseus, Frank Pearl, is a trustee of Rockefeller University, and like Johnson, is a member of the CFR and American Friends of Bildeberg. In fact, the entire executive board of Persesus is chock full of interesting connections. The Managing Director, Michael L. Miller, was the Vice President of Principal Investments at Enron. Perseus' VP, Anjali V. Jolly, "was involved in all aspects of the investment process at JPMorgan Partners, including leading financial and operational diligence, participating in the negotiation and execution of transactions, and monitoring portfolio companies", prior to serving on the investment banking division of Goldman Sachs. The other VP, J.T. Mauk, also worked for J.P. Morgan, as well as Brown Brothers Harriman (a private bank notorious for it's ties to the Nazis and the Bush family.

The Vice Chairman of Perseus is Richard Charles Albert Holbrooke, a former Managing Director at Lehman Brothers, a former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet, member of the Board of AIG and a member of the Partnership for a Secure America, which "is dedicated to recreating the bipartisan center in American national security and foreign policy.". Other advisory board staff include Trilateralist Zbigniew Brzezinski, the aformentioned Frank Wisner Jr, Carla Hills of NAFTA, CFR and PNAC fame and Iran-Contra conspirator Robert C. McFarlane. Holbrooke is a part of the United Against a Nuclear Iran. But let's continue with other Perseus board execs.

VP Michael Rapport "began his career in the investment banking division of Goldman, Sachs & Co." Senior Associate J.P. Bauman is a former J.P. Morgan employee, while his underling, Dave Barlett, hails from Citigroup. Both members of the Perseus Munich advisory office are from the board of directors of Deutsche Bank, which received $6 billion of US taxpayer money from the AIG bailout.. Deutsche Bank has worked with both AIG and J.P. Morgan in the past:

Leading foreign exchange prime brokers JPMorganChase (NYSE:JPM), Deutsche Bank (NYSE
B) and AIG Trading Group today announced a collaborative effort to dramatically streamline foreign exchange (FX) trades. The collaboration will improve upon and replace manual processes used by executing brokers to "give up" trades to prime brokers.

Deutsche Bank, AIG Trading and JPMorganChase to Collaborate on Foreign Exchange Prime Brokerage.

One last Perseus Executive to look at is VP of Finance Terry Everett.

Prior to joining Perseus, Ms. Everett spent nearly four and a half years with The Carlyle Group where she oversaw the financial management, operations and investor reporting for 62 global private equity fund entities. In this role, Ms. Everett was an advisor to Carlyle’s founding partners, managing directors and global investment professionals, which include former Heads of State, Fortune 100 CEOs and international corporate executives. While at Carlyle, she led or was a key contributor to the success of several of the firm’s initiatives including the launch of Carlyle’s Online Investor Reporting website, the administration of Carlyle’s $15 million annual USD, Euro and JPY employee loan programs, and the firm’s integration and automation of various foreign tax, investor accounting and reporting requirements within Carlyle’s investor reporting database.

Yes, this is the same Carlyle Group that has numerous ties to the Bush administration, that does shady business with Saudi businessmen (including members of the Bin Laden family), that counts George Soros as an employee, that borrowed money to buy mortgage securities backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, that mainly does business with defense contractors such as United Defense, Voight Aircraft, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, and that personifies the "Iron Triangle" of the military industrial complex.

Obama, a man of change?

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:07 PM
reply to post by Someone336

Bear with me, I can't link well.....
Who links Obama to socialism and communism?
Communist Party USA says of him;

In short, President Obama’s election has made a difference, and the progressive movement has space to dream again. There are limits and obstacles to be sure, but what should frame our outlook are hope and possibility. The great reformer of the 20th century, Rev. Martin Luther King, taught us this lesson.

this is a snippet of Obama's ties to communist and socialist organizations;

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations. -order-is-communism-by-henry-makow-ph-d/

Communism is a form of monopoly capitalism with the State fronting for the monopoly capitalists. It’s no different from the West where the State fronts for monopoly capital, except in Communism the State is more totalitarian and more intrusive. This is what we can look forward to.

East or West, Communism is devoted to concentrating all wealth and power in the hands of the central banking cartel (the Rothschilds and their allies) by disguising it as State power. (The State is run by witting & unwitting agents of the Rothschilds. When the USSR dissolved, the national wealth was divided between mostly Jewish “oligarchs” who were fronts for the Rothschilds.)

Any ideology that further concentrates wealth and power in the hands of the “State” is Communism in another guise. These ideologies — socialism, liberalism, fascism, neo-conservatism, zionism and feminism — are fronts for “Communism,” and are organized and funded by the central banking cartel.

Communism, fascism. Many times it's the SAME people making the $$$$!!!!

Money monopolies, financial terrorism by the dictatorship of the proletariat, as under marxism, stalinism, maoism, trotskyism;" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">

Critics of the concept of the “dictatorship of the proletariat” — Anti-Communists, Trotskyist Communists, Libertarian Marxists, Anarcho-Communists, and anti-Stalinist Communists and Socialists — propose that the Stalinist USSR and other Stalinist countries used the “dictatorship of the proletariat” to justify the dictatorship of a (new) ruling class;

But you think this is ALL the fault of right-wingers??? lol

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:24 PM
Oh and our problem is CORPORATISM NOT capitalism!
Is there a difference in your view?

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:35 PM
reply to post by Clearskies

I don't recall blaming it all on right-wingers...

I blamed capitalism.

Your quoting Makow? Sorry if I don't buy overly simplistic google-search analysis's by a man who believes that the Protocols of Zion are the real deal.

The International Socialist Organization is anti-Obama, as well as many other far left-of-center of center groups.

Is Obama A Socialist? Not if You Ask One

Look at his so-called 'reforms'. His healthcare plan would boost the insurance industry. Big Oil is all over global warming. Oh yeah, the Federal Reserve is still private and the bail outs are a life support system for corporatism.

Obama once said to judge him by the company he keeps. At face appearances, he's a lefty, surrounding himself with watered down 'radicals' dedicated to fixing this country. Behind the scenes, it's the same people behind Bush.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:37 PM
reply to post by Clearskies

Corporatism is the inevitable progression of capitalism. To prevent this evolution you would have to put measures in place to ensure it wouldn't happen. This in you lose the free market, and capitalism along with.

I don't believe you actually read any of the initial posts in this thread. Never once did I turn this into a capitalism vs. communism thing.

posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 08:05 PM
reply to post by Someone336

Thread revival. It was a good thread so I have to respond.

Corporatism is the inevitable progression of capitalism.

I keep hearing this, but it does not make it true. Corporatism is the inevitable conclusion of state-capitalism. When the government sticks its hands in the market, the powers in the market have to fight back or be compromised by the state. What comes out is a feedback loop of back-scratching and favoritism that becomes greater over time. Link. As the power of government grows, corruption grows. As corruption grows, as will the desire for more regulation. As regulation grows, government grows... rinse and repeat.

Also, those that hate capitalism the most are self-professed capitalists. If their product (tangible or liquid) had to stand on its own merit in a free system, it would likely fail. 'Capitalists' like GoSa and JP Morgan could not survive in a free market, because their very business model relies on government intervention, regulatory loopholes, and taking advantage of laws written for their benefit.

I, too, believe the left/right battle is a false dichotomy. To me, there are three extremes which people fall somewhere in between.
The picture looks like an upside down pyramid. The top left is for people that want to oppress others this way, the top right is for people that want to oppress others that way, and the bottom extreme is for people that do not seek to oppress anyone.

All forms of oppression, be they egalitarian, authoritarian, or otherwise, are morally unjust, and are counter-intuitive to the natural state of mankind.

Politicians, bureaucrats, corporate and other private special interest groups are all part of the same parasite class(the iron triangle you pictured above), which derives its wealth and power from exploiting those without such power(this can include other wealthy people). They are an organized crime syndicate with nukes and self-professed 'legitimacy'.

I agree that Obama is not a socialist, but he is fairly egalitarian. Mix in (American) Left politics with Right politics, add ice, you get Obama. He wants the government to control parts of the economy so his Wall Street buddies can make a buck, so they can back other politicians.

It's like 'socialism', 'communism', 'progressivism', 'conservatism', and 'capitalism' have all lost their meaning. This is due to the MSM iterating the narrative of the parasite class. They have us fighting wars (literally and figuratively) to distract us from actual political discussion.

Our government has sold out years ago. Even the conservative saint Ronald Reagan was a padsy for special interest, intelligence agencies, and war-mongers. We are already slaves. Even our future children have already been leveraged.

posted on Feb, 7 2010 @ 05:30 PM
reply to post by DINSTAAR

Thanks for taking an interest in this forgotten thread. Not to be egotistic, but I thought that I had raised some important points that went by pretty much unnoticed. Sorry for taking so long to respond.

I keep hearing this, but it does not make it true. Corporatism is the inevitable conclusion of state-capitalism. When the government sticks its hands in the market, the powers in the market have to fight back or be compromised by the state. What comes out is a feedback loop of back-scratching and favoritism that becomes greater over time. Link. As the power of government grows, corruption grows. As corruption grows, as will the desire for more regulation. As regulation grows, government grows... rinse and repeat.

The argument that "capitalism results in corporatism" had a pretty basic explanation: greed will only lead to more greed. Corrupt will grow in the heart of capitalism, leading it to seek bigger and better means of sustaining itself.

Corporatism isn't strictly capitalist, but capitalism assimilating things from the leftist side of things as well as that of the right. I believe that corporatism is the by-product of the marriage of two evils:

Crony Capitalism (a close proximity and interest of businessmen and government officials)


Lemon Socialism (utilizing "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor" to keep inflated corporations afloat)

I, too, believe the left/right battle is a false dichotomy. To me, there are three extremes which people fall somewhere in between.
The picture looks like an upside down pyramid. The top left is for people that want to oppress others this way, the top right is for people that want to oppress others that way, and the bottom extreme is for people that do not seek to oppress anyone.

I've always viewed politics kind of like a circle. Go to far to the left, and you'll end up on the right. Too far to the right, you're on the left. The only way to escape this is to break the media's molding of the political systems, to realize that politics and economics are separate but intersecting issues. It's in that interpretation of that intersection that we all get lost in our definitions and programming.

I agree that Obama is not a socialist, but he is fairly egalitarian. Mix in (American) Left politics with Right politics, add ice, you get Obama. He wants the government to control parts of the economy so his Wall Street buddies can make a buck, so they can back other politicians.

Most certainly. Obama (and the Democratic party, for that matter) is just a "conservative" (read - Neo-Con) with a smile and a pack of lies about pulling up the poor. But, in the end, actions speak louder than words. It is hard, though, when the majority values those words as real action.

[edit on 7-2-2010 by Someone336]

posted on Feb, 7 2010 @ 05:50 PM
Actual intelligent thought, research, comprehension of history, and competent writing on ATS? I don't know if I can handle this. S+F my friend.

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