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Originally posted by C-JEAN
Should be easy for those hard to understand?
Mt. Kilimanjaro Ice Cap rapidly retreats, 85% of 1912's ice cover vanished. . .
COMMON SENSE here, no need of scientific numbers ! Photos do it !
he alpine glacier atop East Africa’s Mt. Kilimanjaro, for example, is shrinking, yet scientific measurements show the mountain has been cooling for decades, and the temperature virtually never rises above freezing.
... I knew the majority of ATS would hate me and this thread with a passion. I knew that because sheep are predictable.
Originally posted by ALLis0NE
reply to post by mnemeth1
Your last two posts are a complete joke. You are just another person who ignores scientific data and the scientific process, and would rather believe a few crappy e-mails that do NOT even touch the amount of scientific data supporting man-made climate change.
I bet you didn't even watch the videos.
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The tree ring data could have dropped do to local changes, not global changes. There could also be many other factors... not just one.
Get a clue.
[edit on 4-12-2009 by ALLis0NE]
Originally posted by malcr
Sorry ALLisONE but you are on to a loser here on ATS. The skeptics are not interested in the truth of scientific study especially since most are expert climatologists who only need to look out of the window from their armchair.
Yet scientists associated with these emails are quitting their jobs over this scandal, rather than sticking around to fight the good fight.
Au contraire... The data in question has now been thrown out by the hysterical climate-change crusaders, rather than keeping it, explaining it and defending it.
That's fraud buddy.
The paper recommended the deletion of data BECAUSE THE DATA INVALIDATES THE USE OF TREE RINGS AS PROXIES
They were doing it to hide the MASSIVE DIVERGENCE PROBLEM THAT INVALIDATES THE USE OF TREE RING DATA AS A PROXY.
Let's clear up another misconception, then, while we're at it... Land-based vegetation is not the primary CO2 "scrubber" on planet Earth. The Earth's oceans — covering over 70% of the planet's surface in a life-bearing medium that supports uncounted billions of tons of carbon-absorbing plant life in a water column 2 miles deep on average — is the primary "scrubber" of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere. We could wipe out the entire Amazonian rain forest tomorrow without significantly impacting the Earth's capacity for absorbing and storing atmospheric CO2. That's the oceans' job. Beyond that, in the USA, we have actually replenished more forested lands than originally existed on this continent at the time of its discovery by western explorers in the 15th century. That's right, the North American continent now has more forested lands than it did 500 years ago. So much for the "mass deforestation" theory.
I KNOW THE TREE RINGS SHOW THINGS THAT WERE NOT BACKED UP BY THE LOCAL THERMOMETERS - THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!
Originally posted by TheRedneck The problem [with Wikipedia] is it is user-generated, and thus anyone with an agenda can change it. So you have to be careful when using it. I agree on this point wholeheartedly — which is why I don't use Wikipedia.
Evangelical Scientists Speak Out on MMGW Hoax
There you go. Tit-for-tat, you can take the data and generate whatever finding you want. POINT IS, the data is too nebulous and can be interpreted any way someone wants.
Ask and ye shall receive. Lets finish this! Numbers do not lie. I started this thread on Dec. 1. So far it has 226 flags and I received 222 stars on the OP.