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Originally posted by lordtyp0
reply to post by mnemeth1
I am arguing nothing of the sort there spanky. I am saying there is a bunch of information getting ignored while everyone screams "FRAUD" at the tops of their lungs.
Fraud is an intent to deceive. The documents that I linked explain what they were doing and why. When pulling averages from multiple sources you can have a source under shade, a source on a tall freight liner, a source directly on the water etc. etc.. At any given time not all would be reporting back, some could even report impossible data.
The modifications are for homogeneous data. Not for deception.
I myself am a very scientific minded person. I study physics and know a great deal about matter, and this universe. I know things others don't even know about our universe, I am just not in a position to publish the findings.
The Met Office plans to re-examine 160 years of temperature data after admitting that public confidence in the science on man-made global warming has been shattered by leaked e-mails.
The Met Office database is one of three main sources of temperature data analysis on which the UN’s main climate change science body relies for its assessment that global warming is a serious danger to the world.
The Government is attempting to stop the Met Office from carrying out the re-examination, arguing that it would be seized upon by climate change sceptics.
The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change admitted yesterday that it needed to consider the full implications of the e-mails and whether they cast doubt on any of the evidence for man-made global warming.
Originally posted by j2000
OP and a few others, I'll tell you what.
I'll give you and your kind a solution to make you feel better.
We will set up rules and laws so you can win the debate.
You shall, give up no less than 40% of your income, and 25% of your net worth starting on some special day in Jan. that co-insides with some crap or another from the elite.
You shall, give up all forms of motor vehicles and they will be set aside for later destruction via Monster Truck or large mine equipment.
Your utilities shall be four fold.
You must never eat meat again. Good luck with the protein level and your doc.
Your shall have a fart filter installed to rid you of any quilty pleasures you might have.
You shall be chipped and your whole body dipped into a green solution so that you can make your stand as a separate race on earth.
Originally posted by felonius
It would seem that Allinone (and Climate changers) have the supreme knowledge we lack.
Scientific Method is nearly dead folks. My wife went in for a sleep study. Long story made short, I questioned the "doctor" about the test methods and her use of scientific method.... I recieved "deer in headlights" look.
Originally posted by UFOabducteebe
reply to post by ALLis0NE
Question Does it really matter what they are hiding/lying about, tree-trunks or nay, aren't scientists that intentionally hide data dishonest and mis-practicing science?
Answer: IF they were truly able to do what scientists should do - which is present and try explain meaning of data - they will present ALL data they collect, and explain why certain data is erroneous - that is how SCIENCE works - you should show all your data - and if any is anomalous you state it and why, - and it is the job of the scientific community at large to decide whether or not the reasoning is logical or flawed in any way.
It's madness to say - forget the hammer - let's just brush it under the carpet. GEE MAN!! So it's okay because it's a tree trunk data that is being hidden?? (hah!) Justifying that certain data is 'unimportant' is dangerous, and not scientific - any scientists knows they *should* include it in their research, otherwise it can only be partial - that's not science - thats a dictate.
The fact that disinformation agents on this site, specifically ignore the fact of the matter . Science isn't science when it intentionally hides data from the analysis and peer review process - is not only dishonest - it's NOT SCIENCE.
Worse still, it shows intellectual inability to describe the process, which means most importantly of all it MUST BE OUT in the community for further analyses/debunking.
Negligence has probably been committed, somewhere IMO.
The only thing that is left for disinformation agents on this site to do now, is to ignore my statements, and attack my personal credibility.
Go ahead!!! Here's a doosie for you -
IS CLIMATE CHANGE INFORMATION ALL PUBLIC? Then how can it actually be scientific in the first place? Oh, yeah! that's right! It NEVER has been.
[edit on 5-12-2009 by UFOabducteebe]
Why don't you get off your butt and remove yourself from the carbon system, it's not that hard.
Originally posted by ALLis0NE
reply to post by mnemeth1
Your last two posts are a complete joke. You are just another person who ignores scientific data and the scientific process, and would rather believe a few crappy e-mails that do NOT even touch the amount of scientific data supporting man-made climate change.
I bet you didn't even watch the videos.
The tree ring data could have dropped do to local changes, not global changes. There could also be many other factors... not just one.
Get a clue.
The fact is, they have to stop humans from emitting CO2.