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Another Muslim Hijacking Dry Run?: [HOAX]

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posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
In my opinion,

This is hogwash. more fearmongerin.

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! lOOK UNDER YOUR SEATS!! They're under your bed!! careful!!!
EEEEEK!


How true! Good to see the OP can relate to the fact that he jumped the gun here. To bad some others here would endanger an entire aircraft full of passengers just to satisfy their own prejudice.
One thing for sure. Folks need to sort this stuff out.
The real enemy will win if this crap continues.




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by dgtempe
In my opinion,

This is hogwash. more fearmongerin.

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! lOOK UNDER YOUR SEATS!! They're under your bed!! careful!!!
EEEEEK!


How true! Good to see the OP can relate to the fact that he jumped the gun here. To bad some others here would endanger an entire aircraft full of passengers just to satisfy their own prejudice.
One thing for sure. Folks need to sort this stuff out.
The real enemy will win if this crap continues.


LOL, got to love the backwards logic of those that call the guys that stood up to these people as the real threat. Just another person spewing the 'No Muslims are radical' and 'Everything is the fault of the US' crap. Got to wonder about the mental state of some backwards thinking 'progressive' liberals some times.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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sounds like a hoax. this guys obviously has his own agenda. maybe he is the last person in america who believes muslims are inded responsible for the WTC attacks and came up with this elaborate story to make himself seem credible. this patriot is obviously sick of all the "conspiracy theories" and feelin alone in his stance so he comes up with this mess to further justify his beliefs.

AND, im not even going to mention the discrepancies in his story about seeing ppl in the back doing things like watching porn when he wasnt even near them. and what does the guys watching porn have to do with this story again...??? it just doesnt make sense.

Muslims > U.S. Government

[edit on 10/13/2009 by Zeta Reticuli]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Here something you may fine interesting:

AirTran refutes Flight 297 ‘urban legend'

And here is the press release from Airline itself
AirTran statement about Flight 297

Summary:

HOAX




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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An airline covering up the events and trying to sweep it under the rug does not justify the declaration of "hoax."



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by belowcommonknowledge
An airline covering up the events and trying to sweep it under the rug does not justify the declaration of "hoax."


Yeh but a random email justify as proof lol



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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Good point. Although there are 3 people from that flight now that have come out backing up that man's account of the events of that day. Its amusing when people on this site go from no trusting govt or corporations at all, to offering up what each says as proof. Of course, then in other threads they then bash on govt on big corporations as lying, greedy, evil entities.

Personally, I would take eye witness testimony above a corporate release any day.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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There is a Muslim family that lives across the street from me. As a patriot, what should I do?

According to some sources, there are only 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Therefore, the chances of this family being non-extremist are pretty low.

If I treat them like human beings, then I have obviously let the terrorists win.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by suicydking
There is a Muslim family that lives across the street from me. As a patriot, what should I do?

According to some sources, there are only 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Therefore, the chances of this family being non-extremist are pretty low.

If I treat them like human beings, then I have obviously let the terrorists win.


Why would you need to do anything? I know many Muslims and never think about them from a terrorist point of view because they have never given me a reason to do so. So if you notice them doing something highly suspicious, then you can do something. But that is not likely.

I recognize the rhetoric you are employing here and it is BS. No one here is saying these guys were taken off the plane because they were Muslim. No one here is saying all Muslims or even a big chunk of Muslims are extremists. You cannot paint with a broad brush here, and label people that actually acknowledge the existence of Muslim extremists that want to kill Americans and Jews as being racist or any other terms like that. There are evil people out there, and there is nothing wrong with pointing out that some of them are radical Islamic terrorists.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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Sorry, should have quoted this gem from page 2



Amen. I'm beginning to wonder who is the enemy. Terrorists or Muslim Sympathizers?


so you would know what I was talking about. I mean, hey... I don't want to be the enemy.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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ok so what is it... in one hand you have a website of a conservative political commentator and in the other, you have a local nbc news website. The two stories differ, in the political commentator's story it is some big terrible ordeal for the people on the flight and on the nbc news it's just because they guy didn't turn off his phone because he didn't speak english? I don't know, I'm thinking this is more of the right fear mongering than us really being under siege. The twelve other people not wanting to stay on the flight is understandable, American's are so afraid of another terrorist attack and are so sure it'll happen again. idk that's just what I think though.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by thenwo]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by suicydking
reply to post by johnny2127
 


Sorry, should have quoted this gem from page 2



Amen. I'm beginning to wonder who is the enemy. Terrorists or Muslim Sympathizers?


so you would know what I was talking about. I mean, hey... I don't want to be the enemy.


Well I would say that neither are good. Terrorists are bad, and so are those that rationalize and excuse radical Muslims. Usually these same people have no problem ripping on extreme Christians or Jews, but then rationalizes extremist Muslims. Hypocritical don't you think? Then again, in many 'progressive' circles, ripping on Christians and Jews is the en vogue, trendy, acceptable thing.

People get so afraid of offending people, not only do some not say what they rationally know to be true, but they even prevent themselves from being logically neutral enough to see things for what they are.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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No, I'm pretty sure that the quote I used doesn't mention Islamic extremists at all. I think it's more a reference to Muslims as a whole. You know, that they should all be viewed with suspicion?

All someone needs to do around here is question a cockamamie story like the one this thread is about, and all of a sudden they are labeled as a 'Muslim sympathizer' who may in fact be the real enemy.

I think the points made about racism, fear mongering, and some peoples willingness to believe that a closet Muslim is running DC are the real lessons we can learn from the article originally referenced.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by suicydking
No, I'm pretty sure that the quote I used doesn't mention Islamic extremists at all. I think it's more a reference to Muslims as a whole. You know, that they should all be viewed with suspicion?

All someone needs to do around here is question a cockamamie story like the one this thread is about, and all of a sudden they are labeled as a 'Muslim sympathizer' who may in fact be the real enemy.

I think the points made about racism, fear mongering, and some peoples willingness to believe that a closet Muslim is running DC are the real lessons we can learn from the article originally referenced.


Well if someone is actually saying to be suspicious of all Muslims, they are very wrong, illogical and short sighted. That is wrong.

This, of course, does not take away from the fact that there are extreme Muslim terrorists that do want to kill Americans and Jews, and there are also those on this site that sympathize or rationalize with those people. Both are wrong.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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As someone who has been on several flights and experienced similar test-runs, I have to say this worries me. These Muslim radicals are very organized and are going about these test-runs in small groups/cells to guage the reaction. Everyone involved in airport security should keep an eye on these guys (let's just hope they at this point are only jokers, or are they really trying for strategical/tactical purposes?), especially now that they're getting bolder.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by ForAiur]

[edit on 4-12-2009 by ForAiur]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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Fair enough. Do me a favor and find one person in this thread who sympathizes with people who want to kill Americans and Jews.

Questioning the nonsense that was the original article linked does not count.

By the way, here is the entire post that I pulled the quote from.



Originally posted by Retseh Originally posted by Crakeur
rather than pick apart what sounds like a slanted, hate all muslims type story, the focus should be on who was behind this tale and why
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i.e. I choose to say bad things about people who criticize Muslims rather than Muslims themselves.
You'd think that after burying all the dead American innocents who have been murdered in countless Muslim atrocities, most recently the Fort Hood massacre, we would at least be allowed to be the tiniest bit annoyed at them, but no, apparently we're bad people for even suggesting that they could still be up to something.


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Amen. I'm beginning to wonder who is the enemy. Terrorists or Muslim Sympathizers?



[edit on 4-12-2009 by suicydking]

[edit on 4-12-2009 by suicydking]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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I would at least be suspicious of all Muslims because there's no way to discern which ones are terrorist sympathizers. I mean, they aren't doing much to speak out against terrorism, are they? When's the last time they turned in one of their own to prevent a terrorist attack from occurring? When's the last time they collaborated with the authorities to assist in stopping the attacks from happening?

Didn't the government just make arrests at four New York City mosques for terrorism? They were indoctrinating youths into radical Islam and making selections for terrorist cells. There were other details that weren't released to the public, but who knows what else they were planning?

I for one don't want to find out, and I don't feel safe from this threat, not until the Muslims do their part by no longer aiding the terrorists. If you're not against them, you're with them. There's no other way to put it.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by ForAiur]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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Mr Petrunas observation skills are truly exceptional. He shares this trait with soccer moms and TSA personal. The inability to speak English, a beard and strange clothing are important outward signs indicating a terrorist. Hear the story of Jasen Bruce, another professional observer.

Tampa police: Marine reservist attacked Greek priest he mistook for terrorist


TAMPA — Marine reservist Jasen Bruce was getting clothes out of the trunk of his car Monday evening when a bearded man in a robe approached him. That man, a Greek Orthodox priest named Father Alexios Marakis, speaks little English and was lost, police said. He wanted directions. What the priest got instead, police say, was a tire iron to the head. Then he was chased for three blocks and pinned to the ground — as the Marine kept a 911 operator on the phone, saying he had captured a terrorist.

www.tampabay.com...



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
this guy claims he was sitting in the front and he was able to see the guy make the call. ok, fair enough but how did he know the guy in the back was the recipient of that call? how did he know they were broadcasting porn in the back of the plane? He'd have had to stand up and walk to the back of the plane to see it.

sounds like some good old fashioned fear mongering.

rather than pick apart what sounds like a slanted, hate all muslims type story, the focus should be on who was behind this tale and why because I don't think there's a shred of truth beyond the delayed flight in the linked news article.


I have an idea on what the "agenda" of this tale might be. He's TRYING TO GET OTHERS TO WAKE UP. I see people saying all the time on this website it's time to wake up. Maybe incidents like this are one of the things people need to see and know about. And as far as who is telling this "tale", maybe he is TRYING TO GET OTHERS TO WAKE UP. Can we not be open minded? Maybe muslims are the bad guys. Maybe not. Maybe this guy is lying. Maybe not. I've already said bye to PC. So I won't hesitate to say I think this story is true. So what's if it's a "hate all muslims type story"? I HATE MUSLIMS!



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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This story makes my BS Detector flash Code Red! Anytime I read a narritive that is rife with unsupported assumptions I conclude that I am being played by a big-time BS'er. The author states flat out that 11 Muslim men boarded the plane. And how did he know that they were Muslims? He states that they were dressed "in full attire". Huh. What attire is that exactly? Long flowing white robes over a teeshirt with an inscription that reads: "I'm a fanatical Muslim terrorist"? God knows it's not like anybody could dress like a Muslim! You or I certainly couldn't. We wouldn't even know where to begin to shop for such exotic garb. And, of course, the author is absolutely correct in assuming that a radical Islamic terror cell would really want to broadcast the fact that they are making a "dry run" on our airport security by dressing in costumes that would suggest that they are Muslim terrorists.

2nd bit of bull happens when he insists that Muslims have to view strippers via mirrors. This is absolute nonsense. If a Muslim man is in a strip club he's there to enjoy the show, the same as anybody else. He's cheating his devotion just a little bit, you know, like Ted Haggard cheated when he used collection plate money to buy gay prostitutes and speedballs. Their religious hypocrites are no different than ours. They have their publically pious face, and they have their privately degenerate face. Still, the fact that they were supposedly playing provocative stuff on an airplane leads me to believe that they were honestly not Jihadists at all, but provocateurs, if any of this story is to truly be believed.

The author states that, at one point, one of the terrorists screams at the flight attendant in Arabic! Wow! I am so impressed when I meet a fellow American that can speak anything more than English. In point of fact, MOST of the Americans that i know can barely speak or write English in a competent fashion, and yet this Superhero is able to identify Arabic the moment he hears it spoken! Bravo champ! I'm surprised that he didn't detail just a bit of his Jihadist insults to her as the author obviously speaks the language fluently.

Just FYI, I know of Debbie Schlushfund, and she is a rabid cheerleader for Israel and it's Apartheid policy towards the Palestinians. If your main source for this shocking story of complacency in the face of obvious terrorism is her website then I'm afraid that you've been duped. Debbie doesn't do truth where Muslims are concerned. Debbie does hate. I fear that Debbie is little more than a tool for AIPAC. I sincerely doubt her ability to tell the truth about anything concerning Israel or Islam, and I sincerely doubt that this story, that she has featured on her website, is anything more than more fear-mongering on the part of the people she so willingly represents.



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