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Another Muslim Hijacking Dry Run?: [HOAX]

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posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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When the U.S. government runs multiple war exercises like they did on 9/11, that's when you should be concerned.




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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In my opinion,

This is hogwash. more fearmongerin.

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! lOOK UNDER YOUR SEATS!! They're under your bed!! careful!!!
EEEEEK!



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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I call shenanigans on this story. If the actions of the "Muslims" in his account were a "dry run" for a hijacking, they are dry running the single dumbest hijacking attempt in history. Besides, a dry run that does not test the ability to smuggle weapons onto the plane, is completely pointless.

Plus too many weird details give the lie to this.

The "voice of a fellow Texan" is odd wording. Can't put my finger on it, but seems a little weirdly pandering for supposedly private email.

The Muslims showing homemade porn is completely ridiculous as there would surely be equally distracting things that would not violate the tenets of Islam (let us not forget that they would need to not only show the porn, but make it).

While we're on the porn thing, the author of this email has too many points of view to be reliable. Not only did he know that the accomplice in the back was showing porn, he knew it was porn that they had made themselves the night before? Don't buy it.

This is what we call an omnicient narrator, and without him attributing some of these observations to other witnesses that he talked to, his account becomes chronically unreliable.

Now keep in mind that I am not saying that we should be cuddling and nurturing any schmucks who actually behaved in this manner. As a matter of fact, we don't. Anyone who would have been that disruptive on a flight would have been kicked off. Period. Not to mention the fact that the entire crew that left the plane, would have filed reports/complaints with numerous agencies on this incident. Any paperwork?

The simple fact is that the bogeymen do not exist. At least not in any competent enough form to get past our current level of security. As long as we can remain vigilant without become vigilantes, we will be fine.

Besides, the fact that there was no terrorist attempt to disrupt the 2008 elections serves as proof enough to me that there are no terrorists. The right actions taken at that time would have thrown the country into either irrevocable chaos or martial law (followed by irrevocable chaos).

Now for the real question. Who is this guy working for and why are they trying to put this story out there?



[edit on 4-12-2009 by RobertAntonWeishaupt]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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I tell you this for a fact. I'd feel safer on a flight with a few Muslim guys at the front row, than a flight with "Government officials" onboard.

Anytime the word Muslim and Terrorist crops up I cant help but wonder that its yet another brainless individual that the Government and Media has just suddenly mind-controlled.
Lets face facts, even back in the Cold War we were faced with Nuclear Obliteration, yet there was barely any visible trace of all this "War on Terror" fear that were constantly bombarded with everyday.
Wether its from someone being branded a "Terrorist" for having a Lego Toy Gun, or being thrown off a Aircraft for simply being of a different faith.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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As far as "dry runs" are concerned, I recall that that original "dry run" story back in 2002 was so laughably debunked as racist bunkum that I can't believe people are still indulging in infantile fear-porn fantasies. Let's get something straight: a bunch of terrorists intent on NOT getting caught or raising any alarms before they strike are not going to do a bunch of attention-grabbing 'dry runs' in which they scream "infidel!" at flight attendants, all whilst wearing shalwar kameez.

When Atta and his comrades "tested" airplane security (assuming for the moment that they existed and perpetrated 9/11), they did not do so in such a spectacular way. They observed when the cockpits would open, if it was possible for passengers to gain access to the cockpit, what kind of things could be brought on board, etc. They didn't run up and down the aisles screaming "jiiiihaaaaad!" Further, the idea that committed terrorists would show their hand in such an overt way is absurd. They would want to blend in.

Cockpits are hardened these days. The doors will not open, and will not BE opened by anyone other than the flight crew. Anyone on a hijacked plane these days would know what the stakes are, and no amount of murderous blackmailing by terrorists could make pilots give them access to the flight deck. Beyond that, any hope potential hijackers had of absconding with a plane, controlling a cabin full of passengers and crashing it into juicy American targets was rendered moot by about 11:00 AM on 9/11/2001. I would suggest that such terrorists would be met by a cabin full of aggressively resistant passengers. A plane hijacking is not likely to be on the menu of today's "al Qaeda operative." Planes are now "hardened targets," and the force one would need to overpower its defenses make them extremely impractical targets.

This is simply ethnocentric fear-mongering. Barack Obama is NOT a Muslim. He was not born in Kenya. The only people who really believe that these truths are not true seem to be racists who still can't quite get their mind around the idea that we have a "black dude" (he is just as white as he is black) in the White House. They need to get over it. They look absolutely ridiculous, like 19th century idiots who were concerned about what the influx of Catholic immigrants might do to America.

Seriously folks, *soda* represents a more lethal threat to our society than imaginary terrorists.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Here's something that is being overlooked. Until 9-11 the general attitude was to comply with hijacker's demands, get the plane on the ground and negotiate. Things have changed since 9-11. I'll be flat out honest, if this would have taken place in the air, on a plane that I was a passenger on, things would be a lot different. There wouldn't be 11 of these guys left when we landed, because I would have KILLED as many of them as I could. That's it plain and simple. I would have surrendered to the authorities as soon as we landed and taken my chances in Court. I would have pled Not Guilty due to mental defect from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder caused by military service and the events of 9-11.

As I have said in my previous post, I believe that these guys were out to try to provoke a reaction so that they could make money from a lawsuit against the airline. If this was the case, they were playing with fire. What if they would have caused a mass panic amongst the passengers and had gotten beaten to death. What if a passenger had a stroke or heart attack as a result of their actions?



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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Its a real shame these things even appear on this site as they are the antithesis of "deny ignorance".

We cannot allow our worldview to be altered by fearmongers.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Right on! This seems totally bogus to me. Anyone remember the dvd that the Mccain campaign distributed with newspapers, the anti-Islam fear mongering? The original blog 'article' should have a disclaimer at the end such as *Warning : Hate filled, biased propaganda* but that's my two cents.





posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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This is widely believed to be authentic.


Dry run believed to be the case indeed



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
this guy claims he was sitting in the front and he was able to see the guy make the call. ok, fair enough but how did he know the guy in the back was the recipient of that call? how did he know they were broadcasting porn in the back of the plane? He'd have had to stand up and walk to the back of the plane to see it.

sounds like some good old fashioned fear mongering.

rather than pick apart what sounds like a slanted, hate all muslims type story, the focus should be on who was behind this tale and why because I don't think there's a shred of truth beyond the delayed flight in the linked news article.


What it sounds like is a poorly written article. The incident indeed happened and warrants investigation. It is not a case of fear mongering however, I have come across a few websites and articles that have contorted this story for other agendas.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

rather than pick apart what sounds like a slanted, hate all muslims type story, the focus should be on who was behind this tale and why


i.e. I choose to say bad things about people who criticize Muslims rather than Muslims themselves.

You'd think that after burying all the dead American innocents who have been murdered in countless Muslim atrocities, most recently the Fort Hood massacre, we would at least be allowed to be the tiniest bit suspicious of them, but no, apparently we're bad people for even suggesting that they could still be up to something.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Retseh]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
I went into the links and read the chain of letters and emails. This story is indeed chilling and should serve to open everyone's eyes a little wider. When I fly, I give everyone a second, third or even a fourth look. I find myself assessing possible threats.

I am glad these passengers stood up for themselves.


It is truly sad that we have come to the point of needing to give everyone a second, third or even a fourth look. I suppose in a sense the "terrorists" have already won for we now distrust people we do not know and assess every situation for possible threats.
We now live in fear and that is a sad, sad thing. But who actually created this fear? A bunch of people hiding in caves or our own government and media with the fear-mongering and daily dose of doom and gloom propaganda? That is the question we need to ask ourselves, and to stop distrusting one another and living in fear. That way WE WIN IMO!



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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I was flying this week and there at one point was a big back up at security as they had what I would estimate to be 80-90 year old woman stopped and were going through all her baggage and testing her liquids. Here's the kicker, the delay was because she had one fake leg and they wanted her to take it off so they could put it through the scanner. She refused since she would have had to take her pants off and they had used the wand on it already.

We as a country have reached such an absurd politically correct place when crap like this happens.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh

Originally posted by Crakeur

rather than pick apart what sounds like a slanted, hate all muslims type story, the focus should be on who was behind this tale and why


i.e. I choose to say bad things about people who criticize Muslims rather than Muslims themselves.

You'd think that after burying all the dead American innocents who have been murdered in countless Muslim atrocities, most recently the Fort Hood massacre, we would at least be allowed to be the tiniest bit annoyed at them, but no, apparently we're bad people for even suggesting that they could still be up to something.


Amen. I'm beginning to wonder who is the enemy. Terrorists or Muslim Sympathizers?



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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I don't think it's a matter of automatically criticizing those who criticize Muslims. After all, Islamic extremists are certainly trying to supplant Christianity as the world's deadliest religion.

I think it's a very valid observation that in Post 9-11 America, hijacking a planeload of people is night on impossible. Between the heightened security and the increased vigilance of the average citizen, they should be considered a hardened target.

Furthermore, the events described in this email are antithetical to everything that actual terrorists would do in an attempt to hijack a plane. Now I know that no-one is calling this a hijack attempt, but instead a dry run. Understand that a "Dry run" would have to mimic the actions of an actual hijacking. This lame performance art had nothing to do with actual terrorists, and anyone who looks at it rationally, thinking about how terrorists would have to proceed in order to perpetrate a 9-11 attack should be able to see that immediately. This was only slightly smarter than showing up at the White House gate in an Al-Queda T-shirt carrying a birthday cake with the word Jihad! written on it studded with sticks of dynamite instead of candles.

With the notion of this incident as a dry run for terrorism debunked, the mind that is denying ignorance needs to look at other angles, for which there are three possibilities that have been mentioned.

1) This bunch of yahoos went on the plane hoping to get kicked off so they could sue for ratial profiling/discrimination etc etc. Our big Texan here was witness to the events and applies the most panic-stricken possible interpretation.

2) This entire event is fabricated as increased fear-mongering to continue to sway American opinion towards increased "enforcement" presence in their dy to day lives as well increased generalized anti-muslim sentiment.

3) The event happened but was actually coordinated by the Federal Government as a way to measure citizen vigilance.

If it's 1 - These morons should be jailed.

If it's 2 - We need to know who is behind such a propaganda campaign, especially since it is rooted, not in the MSM which we all deride, but in the internet-based alternative news world on which many "awake" people rely.

If it's 3 - The governments probably gave We the People passing marks with special points to those who took a stand.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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I am not a fear monger, and I don't believe that Mr. Petruna, or the Chaplain, Dr. Robinson are either. To me it seems like the only people intent on inflicting fear in this situation, were the 11 passengers who, through their intentional and inappropriate behavior, created so much fear that the original flight crew and 12 passengers hastily exited the plane, some of them in tears.

There is a difference between creating awareness and fear mongering just as their is a difference in truly denying ignorance and wrapping oneself in the fully decked out trappings of ignorance and calling it denying ignorance.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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This story has more holes in it than a stop sign in the country. True Muslims do not go to strip clubs and watch strippers in a mirror period. The reason they cover their women and don't read porno is to protect them from temptation. A mirror wouldn't help with that at all. How did the "Texan" know who the guy was calling? How did he know the guys in the back were watching porno. Why the heck would they do this in the first place. It tells them nothing at all.

Other articles including responses from other witnesses state that the whole thing was overblown because of a language barrier problem. That sounds more right to me. This thread is nothing more than fear-mongering in an attempt to instill hate towards Muslims. You should be ashamed.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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Surely if they want to convince us the War On Terror is real, Al Qaeda is a threat and we should all be terrified, they would have BLOWN this wide open, reported it fully and taken them down?

UNLESS they (the supposed 'Muslims') actually believed that they were on a training mission (which is what I think happened on 911) but messed up and it failed!

Something is up here, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Will have to see how this develops!

kiwifoot!

[edit on 4-12-2009 by kiwifoot]



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by damwel
This story has more holes in it than a stop sign in the country. True Muslims do not go to strip clubs and watch strippers in a mirror period. The reason they cover their women and don't read porno is to protect them from temptation. A mirror wouldn't help with that at all. How did the "Texan" know who the guy was calling? How did he know the guys in the back were watching porno. Why the heck would they do this in the first place. It tells them nothing at all.

Other articles including responses from other witnesses state that the whole thing was overblown because of a language barrier problem. That sounds more right to me. This thread is nothing more than fear-mongering in an attempt to instill hate towards Muslims. You should be ashamed.


Actually going to strip clubs and getting drunk is exactly what the 9-11 hijackers did the night before 9-11. Do some research please.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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C'mon guys sounds totally legit to me. Everyone knows Jihadists snort coc aine, date strippers, eat pork, get sloppy drunk, run drugs through CIA fronts, and leave Qurans everyplace they take a piss. Watching loud porn, making agressive calls, and shooting finger guns at people makes perfect sense. You just gotta start thinking like 'em and it starts to make sense.

What better way to execute a flawless attack than completely blow your cover, make a huge show of what an unstable individual you are, and get away scott free?

No way could they have been agents of an intelligence agency hamming it up for some purpose.

oldnfo.blogspot.com...

One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.

This was NOT what happened.

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now….they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me….I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied). The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

Again…..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.

If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.

I’m telling this to you because I want you to know….
The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes….

-Tedd

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