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U.S. Concentation Camps, FEMA, and the REX 84 Program

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posted on Jul, 3 2003 @ 10:23 AM
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but it won't work in America...

It may have worked for the Germans with the Jews...but you just wait and see what happens when a soldier tells me to "dig a hole"...I'll bury that shovel right in his head! Sure, I may go down, but I'll take 'em with me! It's that mindset that prevents this sort of thing. Americans are just made of different stock...I firmly believe that, and it was evident on 9/11 when those guys took that plane down instead of letting it get to it's target....




posted on Jul, 3 2003 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Sarcasimo
Above Top Secret has this same story, except with pictures.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



i dont entirely trust ATS either. unless its like CNN or something i wont believe it.



posted on Jul, 3 2003 @ 11:19 PM
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i really do feel for you, i'm sorry you're eyes are closed shut. not even your eyes. don't see with ya eyes, you must percieve with ya mind. cnn is the antitruth. when have they shown both true sides to a story? sometimes we get lucky, sink into the underground. that is the only sanctuary we have left.



posted on Jul, 5 2003 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by phoenix_cross
i really do feel for you, i'm sorry you're eyes are closed shut. not even your eyes. don't see with ya eyes, you must percieve with ya mind. cnn is the antitruth. when have they shown both true sides to a story? sometimes we get lucky, sink into the underground. that is the only sanctuary we have left.




hey. i want some real proof! thats all i ask. government documents that say this. unless you have this im sorry that i cant believe what ''evidence" you guys have. i was brought up not to believe people like this unless they can prove it



posted on Jul, 12 2003 @ 09:19 PM
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those pictures dont help alot either. where are the buildings for the prisoners? hell it looks like a paint ball range minus the barracades. the razor wire is probally to keep people who dont want to pay out. the towers are probally for the refs. they have one out here in nebraska that has towers for the refs. i's not convienced



posted on Jul, 12 2003 @ 09:38 PM
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I wish I could remember the first thread to which I responded in reference to these camps and the pictures in particular. It'd save alot of typing.

I've gone looking for some of the alleged camps in the Southeast, and I can tell you that all I looked for were bogus. That's the good thing about a board such as this, we have someone from everywhere and these things can be investigated and validated or debunked.

As for the pictures, I have seen most of the pictures of alleged camps on the internet, and of those pictures I've seen many of the places in person. Many are pictures of special weapons depot fencelines, showing double chainlink fences, concertina wire and guard towers. There are also pictures of military police training areas for physical security. I specialized in that in the army so I have a clue about what I am viewing. As I was at many of the sites, I recognize the places where the pictures were taken. Most were taken overseas, and most do not even exist anymore, and haven't for close to a decade.

While there are verifiable plans, while there are verifiable executive orders and U.N. agreements that certainly lend credance to the idea that there are truly sinister forces working against the citizenry, there are also alot of bogus bullcrap floating around the internet that catch unsuspecting and gullible readers off guard, causing them to run around screaming the sky is falling. This does nothing but make all conspiracy theorists look like a bunch of wild-eyed, itchy trigger-fingered lunatics.
Could this be the reason for it all?



posted on Jul, 12 2003 @ 09:42 PM
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somethin should be done, if that content is still on the main ATS page. we should one, edit it to say that this is rumored, and base the evidence on other discussions and not on the pics and stuff, or remove it completely.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
While there are verifiable plans, while there are verifiable executive orders and U.N. agreements that certainly lend credance to the idea that there are truly sinister forces working against the citizenry, there are also alot of bogus bullcrap floating around the internet that catch unsuspecting and gullible readers off guard, causing them to run around screaming the sky is falling. This does nothing but make all conspiracy theorists look like a bunch of wild-eyed, itchy trigger-fingered lunatics.
Could this be the reason for it all?


Those are all good points and you'll notice that the article from GNN is not anything like the infamous "list" of facilities that's been debunked countless times. It doesn't contain any dubious pictures of tightly-framed fence lines. It is just the plain facts in the case against FEMA. They mention the Executive Orders and readiness exercises that have given rise to many "conspiracy theories" and they mention FEMA's violations of standard protocols (and quite possibly laws) in activities like the formation of dossiers on individuals that FEMA considered a "threat". They also highlight this public information from the post 9/11 point-of-view, in which organizations like FEMA have received virtual "blank-checks" which will allow them to realize some of their plans - perhaps some of those plans that have been discovered as "insidious" in the past. We know that they have the power to quarantine huge populations, seize property, conscript individuals & businesses into service, and imprison huge civilians populations. We know that plans are going ahead to build the huge 100,000+ person "detention cities".

In 1983, at the annual meeting of the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences, FEMA's General Frank S. Salcedo recommended expanding FEMA's power even further. As he saw it at least 100,000 U.S. citizens, from survivalists to tax protesters, were serious threats to civil security. Salcedo saw FEMA's new frontier as the protection of industrial and government leaders from assassination, and the protection of civil and military installations from sabotage or attack. Notable for stations such as this one, Salcedo warned against dissident groups gaining access to U.S. opinion or a global audience in times of crisis.


FEMA and the Department of Defense began a continuing tradition of biannual joint exercises to test civilian mobilization, civil security emergency and counterterrorism plans. The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan) showed that FEMA lead 34 other federal agencies, including CIA, FBI, and U.S. Treasury, in a massive civil readiness exercise. It was conducted in coordination with "Night Train 84," a worldwide military command post exercise, based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home.


The exercises envisioned that the previously mentioned 100,000 U.S. citizens, labeled "national security threats" would be rounded up and thrown into concentration camps.


FEMA came into direct conflict with the FBI, whose Director William Sessions forced Giuffrida to turn over more than 12,000 political dossiers FEMA had assembled on dissidents.


And, while it is up to the individual to determine whether or not the "intent" is in the public's best interest, it is my personal belief that citizens lose liberties, far too often, under the guise of "public safety" or "national security". We can't deny that FEMA exists for these purposes, or that they'd been pegged to deal with the internment of citizens in the event of social unrest... people can only convince themselves that FEMA will only use their awesome power in the best interest of all.

In the summer of 2002, FEMA published a bid request for qualified construction companies to compete for contracts for three $6 million projects to create temporary cities that can house massive populations in the event of a disaster.

Published on conservative web site Newsmax, this news was dismissed by FEMA Spokesman Chad Kolton as "totally bogus." But when challenged by the publishers on the phone, Kolton confirmed the essence of the story. The camps and temporary cities are being planned, to be built in 2003.


FEMA says the sprawling temporary cities are being built to handle millions of displaced persons in the event of a large-scale terrorist attack on a major population center. Perhaps. Maybe FEMA has shed the yoke of its dark history. But considering the agency's legacy, is it so far-fetched to think it is not in some small way laying the groundwork to deal with those who dissent from our government's increasingly draconian program of permanent war?



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by KrazyIvan
i dont entirely trust ATS either. unless its like CNN or something i wont believe it.


Haha... that's laughably pathetic. I think KRAZYIvan is the most apt monicker Ive ever seen employed.

Unless CNN slaps you on the freakin' forehead and says "IDJIT! WAKE UP!! FEMA is BAD... B-A-D!, BAD!" there is no way any negative opinion of FEMA could have merit? Ridiculous.

The main thing that puzzles me about your idiocy is the fact that changing one letter in a three-letter anagram makes all the difference in the world. You scoff at anyone who would "listen to" (don't you mean "read"?) something called "GNN"... yet scroll a couple messages down the thread and now "CNN" is the most authoritative source since Moses' burning bush. I would laugh again, but I actually think it's more "sad" how one could fail to see the blatant hypocrisy in this contention of yours. The fact that CNN distills information, which is hardly newsworthy, into sound-bites digestible by feeble minds like your own, does not do anything to augment its veracity as a news source. I'm assuming you aren't familiar with the term "infotainment" -- well, now you are. CNN is a joke; a corporate governments PR/propaganda tool... employing flashy motion graphics and hair sprayed camera whores so that once banal press-releases will be easily understandable by vapid couch potatoes.

Read, dipshnit. Don't just look at the pictures.



"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." -- Adolf Hitler



posted on Aug, 8 2003 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by KrazyIvan
those pictures dont help alot either. where are the buildings for the prisoners? hell it looks like a paint ball range minus the barracades. the razor wire is probally to keep people who dont want to pay out. the towers are probally for the refs. they have one out here in nebraska that has towers for the refs. i's not convienced


They do sort of look like pictures of paint ball range....but....if you look close at the second picture you will see the barbed wire fence goes in to the woods...and the first picture is also right next to some woods too....Could it be possible that the Prisoner buildings are back there? That is if it isn't a paint ball range...But who knows for sure what those pictures are of....

I believe that there are camps out there...and not just abandoned WWII camps....and the pictures on the article may be of real camps disguised as a paint ball field...Who knows...But I guess that until the day comes and we're all dragged kicking and screaming to the real camps (God forbid!) may be the only time that we know if the pictures are of real camps....But I hope that day will never come....

[Edited on 8-8-2003 by Curiosity]



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Curiosity

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
those pictures dont help alot either. where are the buildings for the prisoners? hell it looks like a paint ball range minus the barracades. the razor wire is probally to keep people who dont want to pay out. the towers are probally for the refs. they have one out here in nebraska that has towers for the refs. i's not convienced


They do sort of look like pictures of paint ball range....but....if you look close at the second picture you will see the barbed wire fence goes in to the woods...and the first picture is also right next to some woods too....Could it be possible that the Prisoner buildings are back there? That is if it isn't a paint ball range...But who knows for sure what those pictures are of....

I believe that there are camps out there...and not just abandoned WWII camps....and the pictures on the article may be of real camps disguised as a paint ball field...Who knows...But I guess that until the day comes and we're all dragged kicking and screaming to the real camps (God forbid!) may be the only time that we know if the pictures are of real camps....But I hope that day will never come....

[Edited on 8-8-2003 by Curiosity]



problayy just a woods paint ball field. ive played at places that look like that



posted on Aug, 16 2003 @ 07:15 PM
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With 2 million "slots"? FFS.. please..



posted on Aug, 22 2003 @ 10:28 AM
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I doubt whether you would be able to get any type of insurance to run a paintball range with all of that barbed wire around.

If it were built by the US military,it was a phenomenal waste of money,just wasting away as it appears to be doing.

If there are any plans to round up americans,it will probably be after dis-armament,and some type of destabilisation to get them away from their property and familiar places.

So what may be happening here?.
???????????????????????????????????????
1-naive americans trust their legal system.
2-naive americans trust their government.
3-they are always trying to find a way to get the guns
away from the citizenry.
4-they are always trying to find a way of taking our
property and well being.(UCC,Economy).
5-our minds are polluted with media,telling us our
lawyers,doctors,politicians,military are noble and
everything they do is for our benefit.(damage control)

Wow a link!?.
www.thetruthseekers.com...
Believe what you want to believe,or wait,are your thoughts actually those of someone else?.

IMHO , I think the majority of americans live in a dreamworld.

The only thing that is not a lie is the fact we exist,the rest is fabricated to control us,go ahead,argue and fight and thrash around,it is just a way of destabilizing the citizenry further.

We are playing right into their hands,then what?.

Peace to you.



posted on Mar, 1 2004 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by uNBaLaNCeD
I doubt whether you would be able to get any type of insurance to run a paintball range with all of that barbed wire around.

If it were built by the US military,it was a phenomenal waste of money,just wasting away as it appears to be doing.
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have you researched the number of installations the american military has closed and just picked up and left.depending on the installation sometimes they only take personal posessions(every radar installation along the dew-line)anything they do not want to absorb back into their supply system they leave behind(especially if it has to be airlifted at their expense).any materiel the american military does not want to transport they leave behind for the natives to clean up.i don't think a bit of barbed wire and a few buildings left behind after an exercise in the middle of nowhere is really going to hurt their budget(especially if they are using up money before the end of the fiscal year,if they don"t use it they lose it).



posted on Jul, 31 2004 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
but it won't work in America...

It may have worked for the Germans with the Jews...but you just wait and see what happens when a soldier tells me to "dig a hole"...I'll bury that shovel right in his head! Sure, I may go down, but I'll take 'em with me! It's that mindset that prevents this sort of thing. Americans are just made of different stock...I firmly believe that, and it was evident on 9/11 when those guys took that plane down instead of letting it get to it's target....


Hate to fill you in on something, but that plane was shot down.
www.flight93crash.com...

If they took the plane down there wouldnt be an 8 mile debri field, also there wouldnt be a 911 call into a local 911 center saying "there was an exsplosion and i see white smoke" right before the plane goes down... Also why would there be odd airplanes in the area when everything was grounded.

Sorry, I know a tad more than i think, but i live in this area and know a few more things than the tipical population.

::My Edit::

Ok guys, I have only been into this for a few days but I am learning alot. I wanted to put on the internet about how flight 93 was blown up, shot down, or whatever. I also wanted to add something about the WTC, something that day didnt make sense to me how wtc6 and 7 just fell.

Anyway, I started researching and fell apon this Illuminati crap and have to research it to get detailed info right instead of putting a half ass site up. I did hear about these camps about 7 or so years ago on a radio station here locally, the person on the radio is Jim Quinn He was talking about these camps, like any young idiot I blew them off and didnt worry about it. He was saying these are all over the united states and such, I now have actually been thinking that it is possible these camps are for real. I found a link cant remember right now but i will add it up as soon as I find it again where someone from within the government gave someone some papers to state what these camps were going to be used for.

There is going to be 2 Groups, red and blue, These groups are going to be Red for auto kill/gassed and Blue will be ask info from these people then gas. These camps from what i understand are going to hold everyone you least edspect example anyone who dont go along with the NWO which would be these types. Gun Lovers, Religious people, Patriots, and so on.

Anyway they do exist and they are real, its just a matter of time when they decide to start using them..

Anyway.. the guy above sorry for ahh proving you wrong there BUT, its cool..

[edit on 31-7-2004 by ThichHeaded]



posted on Jul, 31 2004 @ 10:22 AM
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For those who think it can't happen here, it already has, back in WWII, thousands of American and Canadian citizens who happened to be of Japanese decent were thrown into camps. They didn't do that to citizens of German or Italian decent. Only the Japanese. Star Treks George Takei grew up in the internment camps. So did the famous geneticist/environmentalist David Suzuki.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 03:18 PM
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FEMA - The Secret Government


Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.
Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.
FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.

THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army.
FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed. Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."
FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:
the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;
the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;
the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and
the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.
These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
HURRICANE ANDREW FOCUSED ATTENTION ON FEMA
FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $1.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Yet fewer than 20 members of Congress , only members with top security clearance, know of the $1.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA has worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, has secretly spent millions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979.
FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief.
FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA's extraordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.
Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking martial law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.
THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY
In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Director Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country.
REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the past. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost the bankrupt economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession.
The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area, thus preventing a pretext for a FEMA response.
On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new goals. The goal was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number 52 issued in August 1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell Disturbances."
The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt. Col. North virtually established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the Attorney General prevented the plans from being adopted. But intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. It is believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's concepts, delayed by criticism but never truly abandoned.
The crisis, as the government now see it, is civil unrest. For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana Raynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison's worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American's enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy."
The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.
The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared. For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended.
The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today, economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country. All these premises exist, it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.



posted on Oct, 7 2004 @ 01:59 AM
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Well, this is a pretty entertaining forum, I will say that much.

As a runner myself, I do know what I have seen, and I do know
that my eyesight is very good...

Now, as for the camps...

They DO exist, plain and simple as that.

I have seen many of them, in fact, you can see a few of them from
the highways of California.

I find it pretty amazing that I have read so much in this forum and
others, of people basically stepping out in their backyards, and saying:

"Nope, nothing here..."

...and then come here and else where on the net and say it's all
hog-wash.

Another thing that is truly freaky in my mind is how complacent we
Americans have become.

Most find it is so easy to say things like:

"Well, I don't see how a 100 man army is going to put us all in camps"

This absolutely staggers the imagination... Truly it does...

If memory serves me correctly, didn't the Nazi's do something like this
to a certain group of people?... And yet, we have fat, lazy Americans
saying they'd take out any "soldier" that even thought about approching
them in this way...

I'll agree that there will be some who fall by the sword, but most will
already be dead or in seriously bad shape.

I come from a military family, have friends in the militray, and I know,
without a doubt, that things are going on that "ain't" cool.

I don't see any conspiracy going on, just a simple, but effective plan
that's falling into place day after day.

I guess, for me and my family, it's all about being real, and not getting
caught up in all of the hype. It's real, it's happening, and we are going
to be grown up enough to face it for what it is.

There are alot of people making really big money from books, websites,
and the like about "conspiracy theories"...

All one has to do is simply slow down, pay attention, and watch. All of
the information is right before you.

Anyway, that's all I have to say at this time...

Thanks for reading,
Silent6



posted on Oct, 7 2004 @ 09:21 AM
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I think eventually it will happen one way or the other. I think the camps are real. IMO if it does happen no-ones going to stop it, there will be alot of blood shed from skirmishes with the public. I think the worst would be in the Far-Norht (NY mainly) and Far-South (SC, GA, LS) and i think Texas and Cali would be hard to take. I think the middle states will be the easiest to take. I think this simply because we people in the south (and people in Texas from what iv heard) are fond of our guns and know how to use them. As well as alot of the gang activity in NY and Cali. Im not saying that there will be a great uprising and we will free everyone or anything like that, I just think that alot of people in these places will fight back. I for one would definatly fight back, you can be skeptic of that if you wish but its the simple fact that id rather die before I would ever be put into a camp. All of my family feels that way, most of my friends feel that way. I know there are an enormous ammount of people out there that feel the same and will fight regardless of how many soldiers they use and we may all die but i feel sorry for the people who would be sitting in line knowing they are going to be inhaling gas in the next room.....but who knows, maybe it wont happen.

I think it will, if not by the US Government then by another country. I tend to look at countries in a matter of golden ages and the US has had one for a nice long time. All golden ages end though. Roman, Greek, Spainish, French, English, Islamic....they all had them and they all ended because of divisions with-in themselves.



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:51 PM
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I found this site through an article on FEMA camps. Part of it talks about three camps in the Los Angeles area. I just went to Brand Park in Glendale, CA and couldn't find a thing. I didn't hike up a road that was not open to the public, that was the only place I could see that something could be hidden. It is not a really big park. I might have missed it somehow. If the person who wrote about the Southern California parks sees this, please post more information.




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