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A Lost European Culture, Pulled From Obscurity

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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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A Lost European Culture, Pulled From Obscurity


www.nytimes.com

Before the glory that was Greece and Rome, even before the first cities of Mesopotamia or temples along the Nile, there lived in the Lower Danube Valley and the Balkan foothills people who were ahead of their time in art, technology and long-distance trade.For 1,500 years, starting earlier than 5000 B.C., they farmed and built sizable towns, a few with as many as 2,000 dwellings. They mastered large-scale copper smelting, the new technology of the age.
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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Here's another "Lost Civilization/Culture" that has been hidden from US in order to propogate the "False History" of the "Bible", "Torah" et al.

So now you might begin to understand WHY virtually ALL "REAL" "History/Science/Technology" is stashed/smashed/obliterated.)(make a mental list of all the crud we've been fed throughout "the modern era" of how we're the pinnacle of civilization).

It is to prop up "The Religious Timeline" in order to keep the "Population" under control! (religiously enforced)

If we knew there were Fantastic Innovations/Technologies/Artworks per-dating the "Biblical Era", we would NOT be satified with the "Status Quo" (Daily Privation/Lack of modern plumbing (2nd/3rd world) Restricted Freedoms/Restricted Movement) despite the claims "Jesus Died for You!", so you could be free to LIVE!

Just a hint, "If I wanted to institute a "historical timeline" in order to make people think that what they have now IS "The Best there's ever been", I would tell them that there was an "Ice Age" that killed off 90% of the population of the Earth, then make up a false timeline (biblical history) to ingrain that belief and inforce it with ruthlessness (religion) while controlling all scientific study by making it state controlled (govt funded science). Sound Familiar?

Another snippet:
At the exhibition preview, Roger S. Bagnall, director of the institute, confessed that until now “a great many archaeologists had not heard of these Old Europe cultures.” Admiring the colorful ceramics, Dr. Bagnall, a specialist in Egyptian archaeology, remarked that at the time “Egyptians were certainly not making pottery like this.”



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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Very interesting information. Thanks for posting.

Hopefully we will uncover more as time goes on.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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Very interesting, thanks for the Link :-)

I'll look forward to hearing more about this so I can comment more.




posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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of course the MSM would have you think these people were savages and cannibals. that looks like one hell of an exhibit. I wish it was at the DIA



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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G'day Keymaster,
I always love to see induividuals that think beyond the square for this mass believed rubbish we are all normally fed; there is so much evidence that suggests that civilization is much older than the Indus Valley culture and Mesopotamia; its ridiculous that people still subscribe to the old faves.
You probably already know; .........then there is Yonaguni, Japan- I like to hear the explainations/rationizations of pre-deluvian civilizations that are now underwater- such as Yonaguni.......there are many others. Good luck in your search!



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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Yeah, It's too bad the Indian Govt won't allow anyone to go off the west coast where sonar has found 2 city shaped objects (4 and 6 km. long) off the Gulf of Kachcch due to it being a "Military Area", yeah right, do you notice all the M.A.'s that could have Great Discoveries in them. Go Archeology!



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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What does the Bible have to do with this? Interesting stuff, but can you leave out the religious stuff, since since this discovery literally has nothing to do with it? If it was a civilization mentioned in the bible sure, but since its not that I am aware of, lets keep it on the subject topic at hand, the discovery of a new civilization.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 03:31 AM
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"The Bible" IS the reason why true history is kept from us.

I don't know if you know this, but minus Contantines Mommie going to Palestine to verify (find some proof of) the Bible, There was no such thing as "Archeology" until the 19th Century, it was strictly forbidden by the clergy, as any possibility to dis-prove the Bible was punishable by Death. So, yes, it has a BIG part to play in this Human Melodrama.

And please click on the ATS link I provided, It explains a large part of this also, Thanx

[edit on 12/3/09 by Keymaster1]



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 04:33 AM
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The Thinker and his companion, Hamangia Culture, Romania, 5000-4600 BC

Aren't they simply amazing and beautiful? To think that my ancestors were doing abstract works of art 7000 years ago... Mind-boggling.

But this isn't exactly forbidden archaeology. It's actually common knowledge, no one tries to "hide" it.

Just check out the wiki article for the Cucuteni Culture, it's quite extensive:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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They are not hiding it, they are simply ignoring it


The OP is actually talking about Vinca culture, from around 5.000 BC. The source of most European alphabets is Vinca scripture.

www.omniglot.com...

Check it here:
www.omniglot.com...

And here:
www.prehistory.it...

Vinca culture:
en.wikipedia.org...


This, Lepenski Vir, is a site not far from Vinca, only much older.

archaeology.about.com...




This site was the location of at least six village occupations, beginning about 6400 BC, and ending about 4900 BC. Three phases are seen at Lepenski Vir; the first two are what's left of a complex foraging society; and Phase III represents a farming community.

Houses in Lepenski Vir, throughout the 800-year-long Phase I and II occupations, are laid out in a strict parallelepiped plan, and each village, each collection of houses is arranged in a fan shape across the face of the sandy terrace.


In Lepenski Vir there also was found a proto-alphabet based on geometrical (triangle) elements, preceding Vincan scripture.

BTW, the oldest known copper mine in the world is in Majdanpek (Serbia).

There were many big prehistoric cultures in the area of Balkan, Romania and Anatolia (Asia Minor), and other places too, but for some tendentious reason, history counts only those civilizations which used slavery and built huge and idiotic political and religious monuments, like pyramids and great walls etc.



[edit on 3-12-2009 by DangerDeath]



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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I think the source article was talking about more neolithic cultures in the Danube Valley, including Vinca, Cucuteni and Hamangia. I can't access the article anymore, unless I make an account on their site. But whatever.

Well these cultures are ignored because, let's face it, they didn't produce anything with the tourism potential of Stonehenge, or Altamira, Lascaux, or the Great Wall or whatever.

The average person couldn't care less about some tiny statues of fat women produced in Eastern Europe 7000 years ago.
(but I think they're fascinating, maybe just because it's a part of my history, don't know).



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Wallachian
reply to post by DangerDeath
 


I think the source article was talking about more neolithic cultures in the Danube Valley, including Vinca, Cucuteni and Hamangia. I can't access the article anymore, unless I make an account on their site. But whatever.

Well these cultures are ignored because, let's face it, they didn't produce anything with the tourism potential of Stonehenge, or Altamira, Lascaux, or the Great Wall or whatever.

The average person couldn't care less about some tiny statues of fat women produced in Eastern Europe 7000 years ago.
(but I think they're fascinating, maybe just because it's a part of my history, don't know).



Well, those were long term cultures and societies which didn't go to war, or at least not on a large scale, and didn't have state, which is normally considered very important civilization's accomplishment. Whatever, tourism is a very good excuse to justify the state of being as it is. And that's too bad.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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thanks for the links, but for God sake....lay off the over usage of the " " 's

not every other word needs quotationed



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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Never forget that the dating of artifacts etc, is just guessing and not actual dating.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by HarryCat
Never forget that the dating of artifacts etc, is just guessing and not actual dating.


To some extent yes, it can be just guesswork.

However, in the case of many of the sunken cities, sitting as they were on coastal plains that were flooded by the last ice age melt and subsequent sea level rises, the dating is usually agreed upon (agreed upon by climatologists, geologists and many other scientific study groups).
The fact that there are many city sized sets of ruins beneath the waves that obviously pre-date those of the middle east, would surely prove that those civilisations were in existence long before the sea level rise happened, perhaps several thousand years older.
Perhaps many of these city states were simply inundated by a cataclysmic wtare level rise before the people could escape. That would certainly explain the loss of unique records and culture.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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They are not hiding it, they are simply ignoring it...


Even that is too strong, IMHO. It has simply not been studied extensively in the west because of the political landscape in Europe until recently.

Before it can become part of the zeitgeist it has to 'capture the imagination of the people'. Before that can happen it has to be discussed in pop-sci literature (like the quoted article). Before that it has to be discussed in text books which means it has to be understood by the text book authors, which means that they need to have access to a range of papers and studies on the finds.

A few people have written of these ancient middle European cultures and the word has gotten out in the west in bits and pieces. Marija Gimbutas is one well known researcher that has published on the topic at least as far back as 1976. Her work is well known among feminists especially and has captured the imagination of quite a few of the 'new agers'.

Some of the problem is also that to the layman, these cultures all sort of blend into one another. Wallachian's 'tiny statues of fat women' were produced by cultures from one end of Europe to the other end of Asia, to the layman, these cultures are pretty much indistinguishable.

To non-sports people, the cultures of, say, Everton FC and the Green Bay Packers are probably indistinguishable, they both play football, they both have prima donna players that are paid too much, both have one-eyed supporters, etc, etc, etc. But to the fan, they are as different as night and day; the balls are different shape, the other game is not really football, Everton fans would not go to a game wearing giant plastic cheese wedges on their heads, and Packer fans wouldn't wear blue to the game.

The point is that these middle European cultures have just not captured the imagination of Mr. Average Joe in the street. So the perception that the culture is 'hidden' or 'ignored' really just means that Mr. Joe doesn't know much about it because it hasn't been sensationalized in the popular press like other cultures.

I would see this exhibition as an attempt to change that. To expose Mr. Joe to the culture and educate him about a slice of ancient history. It is specifically about bringing this interesting (to some) work previously trapped in the stuffy halls of academe out to the public. I am endlessly amused by people who think that such an exhibition of artifacts is some how evidence that the culture has been hidden and is evidence of a cover-up of ancient super-technology or something. Just because they didn't personally didn't know about it until it hit the New York Times.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Exhibitions won't help much. The problem is people are raised to stay noncritical to their own lives, not to mention to explore other possibilities. Zeitgeist is, I'm afraid, pretty dead by now. And I don't know what kind of hoof needs to kick it to start moving again



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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These are very much like Henry Moore's sculptures. He did use ancient art as inspiration.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Wallachian
reply to post by DangerDeath
 


I think the source article was talking about more neolithic cultures in the Danube Valley, including Vinca, Cucuteni and Hamangia. I can't access the article anymore, unless I make an account on their site. But whatever.

Well these cultures are ignored because, let's face it, they didn't produce anything with the tourism potential of Stonehenge, or Altamira, Lascaux, or the Great Wall or whatever.

The average person couldn't care less about some tiny statues of fat women produced in Eastern Europe 7000 years ago.
(but I think they're fascinating, maybe just because it's a part of my history, don't know).



Not just that, western Europe has always had a rather uppity attitude towards Eastern Europe, dating back at least to the Roman conquest of Dacia.



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