Ron Paul asks Hillary Clinton if she supports Bush Doctrine

I love they way Ron Paul's views are and the way he always presses people in the wrong.

Ron Paul gets a chance to ask Hillary Clinton, Gates, and Mullen if they support the Bush doctrine of "preventive war". He gets the answer you would expect.

This is from a joint hearing on Afghanistan following Obama's speech/announcement last night 12/01/2009.

On Wednesday, Congressman Paul questioned Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen as to whether or not they support the doctrine of preventive war.

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[edit on 2-12-2009 by OpTiMuS_PrImE]

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Thanks for the find. I thought this was great. The blatant hypocrisy and total lack of accountability really shines through. Ron Paul is right...not a single one of the attackers was from Afghanistan. There are Conservatives and Liberals who are in agreement with Afghanistan and ending the war. Somehow this is considered extreme....yet it's actually a MODERATE view.

When Newt Gingrich is throwing his support behind Obama....even though the General was asking for 40,000 to 120,000 troops and gave him 30,000, then you should now SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

19 alleged hijackers mostly from Saudi Arabia and I believe a couple from Yemen and Lebanon. Zero Afghanis.

"For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan's military leadership said.

But US officials appear to have dismissed the proposal and are instead hoping to engineer a split within the Taliban leadership."

www.guardian.co.uk...

As you can see, the Taliban did not refuse to hand over Bin Laden. Hillary Clinton obviously has issues with the truth, the first casualty of war.

The Clinton's always have had issues with the truth...actually, you can Blame clinton for the mess we're in now...US was attacked several times on his watch (first twin tower bombing, embassy in Africa, the navy ship in Yemen, the barracks somewhere else) (?)...others) we KNEW then it was bin Laden and he did nothing. He was too busy discussing cigars with his gal-pal monica, I guess.

Clinton was incompetent and then bush continued the practice only he wasn't as smooth as clinton...

I love to hear "clinton-ese" example "It depends on what the definition of "is", is"....I remember how we all finally came to to comnclusion that you have to parse every sentance they say...

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Gates-Obfuscations and avoidance of the question.

Clinton-Bush was wrong, we are right. More obfuscations.

The other two-time has expired.

Where are the Democrats on this thread. Explain to me again what are the differences between Dems and Repubs?

Oh S&F and everyone is thinking the same here. My thread.

Now that the Democrats are in power "War is good"!

Originally posted by David9176
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When Newt Gingrich is throwing his support behind Obama....even though the General was asking for 40,000 to 120,000 troops and gave him 30,000, then you should now SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

It was back in 2002 and still is now all about maintaining control of the oil pipeline running through that country.

But isn't Ron Paul part of "Their" group as well? I remember awhile back someone posted a mind blowing video of him doing the devil hand gestures and the secret hand shakes with people. Other then that after watching that exposed video i don't believe this guy 1 bit. Just another puppet to calm down the masses into believing he is for us but really with "Them".

Ron Paul is an isolationist and provides weak counterpoints to those in power.

His strange views on how the country should be run echo Mussolini in a lot of respects. I know he says he's libertarian, but often his views come across as fascist, xenophobic and intolerant of diversity within the US.

Awesome video.

Clinton showed that she's a complete idiot.

"We game them a chance to hand over Al Queda and they refused."

That's like China telling the American people to hand over the people that attacked Iraq and if we refuse, we'll be invaded.

Originally posted by djusdjus
Ron Paul is an isolationist and provides weak counterpoints to those in power.

This is a common misunderstanding. Isolationists want both military non-intervention and economic protectionism. This is not the case with Ron Paul and I think he has made it clear with his condemnation of the Free Trade acts and tending more towards being business partners to everyone.

China is quickly hedging their way into our economic supply by buying with no strings attached.

His strange views on how the country should be run echo Mussolini in a lot of respects. I know he says he's libertarian, but often his views come across as fascist, xenophobic and intolerant of diversity within the US.

I'd be very interested to hear the similarities. Paul is libertarian, as am I.

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"Isolationist" is a term put on Paul by the Mainstream Media. When someone uses this term in referring to Paul, I immediately know that person only gets their news from Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN or NBC.

They have no objective views because they've done NO research themselves. They're simply repeating what they've heard the talking heads on the boob-tube say.

I'm sure that person also thinks Iran is a threat to the U.S.

Anyway, anyone who thinks Ron Paul is an Isolationist is completely ignorant of the fact that Paul want to trade with EVERYONE. He objects to having a trade agreement that rejects one country over another ... like NAFTA. When he's willing to open up the gates that have locked out the MAJORITY of the rest of the world ... how in the hell can anyone call him an isolationist?! He's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of an isolationist.

It boggles my mind when people speak about subjects that have no knowledge of.

Originally posted by mrfire9
But isn't Ron Paul part of "Their" group as well? I remember awhile back someone posted a mind blowing video of him doing the devil hand gestures and the secret hand shakes with people. Other then that after watching that exposed video i don't believe this guy 1 bit. Just another puppet to calm down the masses into believing he is for us but really with "Them".

What? are you being serious? Ron Paul is about the only Politian in the world who tells it how it is and speaks the truth.

With regards to the video i have to say Both Clinton and gates really struggled with an answer to that. I loved the part where he says "but no afgannie attacked us" We all know he’s right but its outrageous that she can lie like that and is never brought up on it.

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Man i love this Paul. Sad that we have no one like him here in begium.

Gates was pathetic. He sounds like miss teen carolina 2007. Wtf was he trying to state ?

Hillary ? Hillarious. Just big lies about bin laden.

I couldn't believe that no one smiled in the background.

All you can say is Paul 2012! Sure he may have some crazy ideas, but atleast his crazy ideas don't involve Genocide and thievery on a mass scale.

Excellent job Ron Paul!

Great post.

www.u-s-history.com...

First Afghanistan conflict

The 1978 Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan motivated bin Laden to support the defending mujahideen (freedom fighters). He initially visited Pakistan to meet with high officials, refugees, and citizens, to recruit freedom fighters.

After getting an eyeful of what the Soviets were up to, bin Laden returned to the Saudi kingdom to consult many of his brothers, friends and other relatives.

In 1982, bin Laden decided to enter Afghanistan with a hefty bankroll to support the mujahideen. While in Afghanistan, he established close ties with mujahideen leader, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam.

Afghanistan training camps

By 1984, bin Laden had initiated a staging area for strengthening his presence in Afghanistan. At the doorstep to the Afghan war, in Peshawar, Pakistan, bin Laden's staging area (also known as the Guest House) functioned as the first station for newly minted mujahedeen, before going to the front.

In 1986, bin Laden arranged to establish his own presence inside Afghanistan, and by 1988, he had erected more than six intensive-training camps. Some were mobilized more than once. That year, Osama decided to direct his own battles with his own command — eventually breaking ties with Sheikh Abdullah Azzam. He formed his own army, al Qaeda, (meaning "the base" in Arabic).

President Ronald Reagan signed a covert release of funds, high-end armaments, and CIA specialists to aid bin Laden, Azzam and the mujahideen. That American assistance helped to force the Soviets out of Afghanistan by 1989.

Banned by Saudi Arabia

At the end of 1989, just as the Soviet Union was finishing its withdrawal from Afghanistan, bin Laden returned home in anticipation of a warm welcome. Instead, he was issued a travel ban. He was not allowed to leave Saudi Arabia, owing to numerous inflammatory speeches he had given prior to his return, that advocated uprisings.

bin Laden was actually planning a new jihad in South Yemen. Further, his speeches and lectures had predicted the eventual invasion of Yemen by Saddam Hussein's forces. The Saudi regime disapproved of his stance because of close ties with Iraq.

On August 2, 1990, Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait, and shortly thereafter, American and coalition forces began to arrive in Kuwait's defense. Operation Desert Storm was now underway, which changed bin Laden's tone completely. He now planned to take the initiative against the U.S.

By lobbying religious scholars and Muslim activists, bin Laden succeeded in extracting a fatwah (declaration) from one of the senior scholars, that military training and readiness was a religious duty. He immediately circulated that fatwah and convinced potential fighters that they should get their training in Afghanistan.

It has been estimated that 4,000 men traveled to the Afghanistan training camps in response to the fatwah. The Saudi regime was not happy with bin Laden's activities, so they confined his movements to Jeddah only. That did little to restrain him; bin Laden left his homeland for good, and eventually headed back to war-torn Afghanistan.

Back to Afghanistan

Before heading for Afghanistan, bin Laden arrived in Pakistan to meet with various "business associates" for supporting his new terror regime. He knew, however, that if he were to stay in Pakistan too long, authorities would nab him and deport him to the kingdom that he now despised.

Osama soon realized that by remaining in Pakistan, he was putting himself in extreme jeopardy. So, with his mission for terror still in his sights, he headed directly for his camps in Afghanistan.

During bin Laden's stay in Afghanistan, as well as his short time in Pakistan, the Saudis tried more than once to kidnap or assassinate him, in collaboration with Pakistani intelligence. Fortunately for bin Laden, his close ties with higher officials in both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia provided up-to-date intelligence, which would give him enough time to escape.

In 1991, after becoming tired of hiding, bin Laden decided to leave Afghanistan and head for the only alternative country available to him: Sudan.

So it seems Bin Laden does have a direct tie to Afghanistan. I posted this incase short memories of people forgot what his ties to Afghanistan were.

Originally posted by djusdjus
Ron Paul is an isolationist and provides weak counterpoints to those in power.

His strange views on how the country should be run echo Mussolini in a lot of respects. I know he says he's libertarian, but often his views come across as fascist, xenophobic and intolerant of diversity within the US.

Its about damn time we focus on the problems at home. $1,000,000/soldier/year is absolute madness.

Che Gueverra (sp) said the US would bleed to death from 1,000 cuts as the world's fireman.
We're busy putting out brush fires all over the world when our country is in flames.

The war is a travesty and feeding the beastly military industrial complex. At the present rate all young men and women will only find jobs in the killing business.

Our govt is out of control like an addict on their final run before prison.

Stupid Clinton says, "Afghanistan had a chance to turn over Bin Laden and AlCIADA, and they refused."

she forgot to say....

An article in the French daily Le Figaro confirms that Osama bin Laden underwent surgery in an American Hospital in Dubai in July.

During his stay in the hospital, he met with a CIA official. While on the World's "most wanted list", no attempt was made to arrest him during his two week stay in the hospital, shedding doubt on the Administration's resolve to track down Osama bin Laden.

Or how about this....

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Osama bin Laden was "within the grasp" of US forces in late 2001 but escaped because then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld rejected calls for reinforcements, a hard-hitting US Senate report says.

It points the finger directly at Rumsfeld for turning down requests for reinforcements as Bin Laden was trapped in December 2001 in caves and tunnels in a mountainous area of eastern Afghanistan known as Tora Bora.


Hmm maybe this one?

President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.



I AM SICK OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING TO US LIKE WE ARE STUPID every dang word out of their mouth is a blatant lie and half truth to justify their criminal actions.


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Nicely stated your completely right about the government being totally out of control, they need a good wake up check by us the people, i think thats not to far down the road the way things are looking now days.

i love how americans expect this frail old man to change their country when they as a people must change it themselves.