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Have we had any "innocent" presidents?

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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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After so many years of history courses, I have began to think that there has never been a president (and his administration) in the US who did not commit "crimes." I've been sick and tired of some Republican (one of my friends) saying how Reagan (supported Mobutu who had a net worth of $5 billion and created the highest genocide rates in the history of mankind) was the best president ever. An uneducated person would just nod without questioning.




Founding fathers through Lincoln - Slave owners, "manifest destiny" believers (imperialists), killed all the Native Americans.

Every president after that:

Corruption:
* Bribery
* Trading in influence
* Graft
* Patronage
* Nepotism and cronyism
* Embezzlement
* Kickbacks
* Unholy alliance
* Involvement in organized crime (involvement with bosses)

Foreign policy:
* Imperialism
* Atomic bomb
* Expansion of military bases
* Assassination of foreign leaders, elected and non-elected.
* Creation of "freedom fighters" such as Al Qaeda and Taliban for the purpose of imposing democracy and capitalism in places where they're not wanted.

Domestic policy:
*Removal of freedoms
*Ignoring the Constitutional limits
*Turning America into a giant shopping mall where the average person would screw themselves over by buying and borrowing.



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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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WOOO! someone is FINALLY addressing this. everyone thinks Obama's evil, but, come, color of skin does not mean automatic satanism.

ethnocentric whites, ethnocentric whites. . .



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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There are some good leaders like Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
There are some good leaders like Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Slobo ever held the office of US President.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Well I mean good leaders in the world pal He is just one example



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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are any of us innocent?

I think the first few may have been okish but I know so little about them I really should reserve judgment.

all we can really do is compare them to other political options of the time.
but i do agree with OP

we need a president nobody hates,
I know!
hugh heffner and jessie ventura next election!
:-)



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Please tell me where did the OP once mention skin colour?
??



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Founding fathers through Lincoln - Slave owners, "manifest destiny" believers (imperialists), killed all the Native Americans.

John Adams never owned slaves. In addition, manifest destiny was first introduced in John Quincy Adams presidency, and not a policy in John Adams' administration. In addition, John Adams did not "kill all native Americans", or support such acts.

Of all of the presidents, John Adams was probably the most decent.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
Well I mean good leaders in the world pal He is just one example


Uh, when he died, I think he was on trial for warcrimes. Don't think he's winning any popularity contests, Pal.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah
hugh heffner and jessie ventura next election!


I don't know about Jessie Ventura, but Heff has my vote!



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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William Henry Harrison. By default really. He died thirty days into his term.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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Founding fathers through Lincoln - Slave owners, "manifest destiny" believers (imperialists), killed all the Native Americans.

John Adams never owned slaves. In addition, manifest destiny was first introduced in John Quincy Adams presidency, and not a policy in John Adams' administration. In addition, John Adams did not "kill all native Americans", or support such acts.

Of all of the presidents, John Adams was probably the most decent.




John Quincy Adams, the man who drafted the Monroe Doctrine which is partially culpable in almost every major conflict (after 1824) I can think of.

Pick a nation, and I'll tell you how they were affected by the Monroe Doctrine =D.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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Don't include Lincoln, he destroyed the foundation of this country. I'm not talking slavery, that was wrong, he just used it as a political tool for his war.

He single-handily put us on the path to the massive overbearing federal gov't we have today.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by die_another_day
Pick a nation, and I'll tell you how they were affected by the Monroe Doctrine =D.


Iceland
Cape Verde
Paraguay



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by concernedcitizan
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William Henry Harrison. By default really. He died thirty days into his term.


His electron was a conspiracy. Wasn't he the one who pissed off Henry Clay?

He lobbied for these as a congressman (wiki):

"The 1804 Treaty of St. Louis with Quashquame led to the surrender of much of western Illinois and parts of Missouri from the Sauk and Meskwaki. This treaty was greatly resented by the Sauk, especially Black Hawk, and was the primary reason many Sauk sided with Great Britain during the War of 1812."

"In 1803 Harrison lobbied Congress to repeal Article 6 of the Northwest Ordinance to permit slavery in the Indiana Territory."


Imagine what he would have done as president.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by die_another_day
Pick a nation, and I'll tell you how they were affected by the Monroe Doctrine


Lichtenstein



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Finalized

Originally posted by die_another_day
Pick a nation, and I'll tell you how they were affected by the Monroe Doctrine =D.


Iceland
Cape Verde
Paraguay



LOL,

C'mon man that's just mean.

Paraguay- "Paraguay is a partner in hemispheric initiatives to improve counter narcotics cooperation, combat money laundering, human trafficking, and other illicit cross-border activities, and adequately protect intellectual property rights."

=p? Our intervention in Latin America



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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John Quincy Adams, the man who drafted the Monroe Doctrine which is partially culpable in almost every major conflict (after 1824) I can think of.


What does that have to do with JOHN ADAMS?

I guess you are not aware that John Adams was the FATHER of John Quincy Adams. and BOTH were president.

John Quincy Adams is NOT John Adams. I guess they don't teach that in American History courses anymore.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by die_another_day
Pick a nation, and I'll tell you how they were affected by the Monroe Doctrine


Lichtenstein






That's also mean



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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John Quincy Adams, the man who drafted the Monroe Doctrine which is partially culpable in almost every major conflict (after 1824) I can think of.


What does that have to do with JOHN ADAMS?

I guess you are not aware that John Adams was the FATHER of John Quincy Adams. and BOTH were president.

John Quincy Adams is NOT John Adams. I guess they don't teach that in American History courses anymore.


=\ fail




His midnight appointments which got John Marshall into the Supreme Court was pretty controversial



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