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Gays 'will never go to heaven'

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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Wingnut
For the life of me, I cannot imagine why you would use a term for an extreme right-winger in relation to anything I've posted. Care to elaborate?

I know birds that knock around on their hubbies who have gay pals, bang goes that little theory you dreamed up
This is actually a non sequitur argument, since women being friends with gay men doesn't preclude them having sex with straight men because their husbands are so annoying (strong homophobia being a part of hubby's character flaws), but still, I dont suppose its ever occurred to you that almost nobody is 100% gay or straight. Of course, the homophobic cannot admit their own occasional curiosity, but many "gay" men do sometimes have sex with women. This is not anything I've "dreamed up", just like my experience of debauching married women, it comes from being part of a multi-sexual, promiscuous community.




posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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See those in here whom say Gays wont go to heaven, they are just as bad if not worse than members of Scientology. Who are you to decide who should go to heaven and whom should not. It is not your decision. Grow up get a life of reality. There is alot more hate going around in this world without this crap.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 06:48 PM
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Wow, the posts in this thread just amaze me. He is not discriminating against gays, he is simply saying they're not going to heaven according to the bible. Unless this guy is god's bouncer and gets to decide who goes to heaven and who doesn't, he's not discriminating against anyone. You guys are just politically correct.

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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by technical difficulties
Wow, the posts in this thread just amaze me. He is not discriminating against gays, he is simply saying they're not going to heaven according to the bible. Unless this guy is god's bouncer, he's not discriminating against anyone. You guys are just politically correct.

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And he's wrong. I'm straight. Not everyone goes to heaven. Those who do are those who put faith in Jesus as savior who paid for their sins.

It's simple.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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how is he wrong?



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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He is not discriminating against gays, he is simply saying they're not going to heaven according to the bible.
You are mistaken. To single a group out for whatever reason is discrimination. That's what the word means. Look it up for yourself, or pop back a few posts to where I quoted the OED definition.
It matters not one whit where he gets his supposed info from, the statement is discriminatory & by uttering it in public, the old crackpot is adding to an already simmering brew of prejudice.
If you wish to attempt to refute this statement, please respond my earlier posts, so we dont have to tediously drag through the whole thing again.



posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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It's not discrimination, it's just politically incorrect. He also says right after that it does not justify any form of discrimination, and that all human beings are created equal. But please feel free to continue calling people crackpots just because you don't agree with their religious beliefs.



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posted on Dec, 10 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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The Bible condemns all sin. While specific ones are mentioned, they all fall into a big ball of wax that can only be taken care of by accepting Jesus as Savior.

Under the New Covenant (new testament), homosexuality let alone other sins fall under the category of "Jesus' blood covers it upon acceptance of Him as Savior." Therefore, the cardinal is wrong. Not all gays go to hell. What about those that go straight and get saved? What about those who are believers but are struggling with being pure?

If they truly belive in Jesus as Savior, they are saved.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf

Christians say they believe in the bible.... And thats in the bible...

So either you beilve it or your not a christian. So go shove your head in the sand somewere else.



How about you shove your head up your rectum, maybe you would like that (if it was physically possible)


Christians do not have to be bible literalists, so sail on sailor boy



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Bunken DrumYou did not address the central point of Gaspode's post, that the old crackpot was spouting hypocrisy, by the tenets of his own religion, into the public domain.


Firstly, I did, secondly, he wasn't spouting "hypocrisy" (though even if he was, hypocrisy is rife in the public domain)




Nor did you attempt to address my earlier rebuttal of your disingenuous attempt to refute my assertion that religion is by definition dishonest,



I did, and your assertion has all the force of a fairy cake- religion is not by "definition", dishonest


More dismissive failure to engage in discussion


what a ridiculous term, it warrants a "har har"

www.pinknews.co.uk...

Welcome to modern society, you do know that crime in general has soared since the 1960s, we are all getting a kicking, many are getting murdered- mainly thanks to the policies of the liberal/left (who latch onto the gay issue) which has led to a morally bankrupt society. Clearly the police are now forced to target "sexy" crimes such as gay bashing, racial attacks etc- but this is the modern world, someone gets a shoeing for having the wrong trainers, some gay gets bashed for being gay- any attack should be dealt with firmly and receive harsh sentences.....................uh oh, the liberal left neutered our justice system, didn't they



he said they wouldn't enter Heaven
By what yardstick did he judge this to be the case?

by his understanding of Christianity- he would also say that I am not going to heaven, boo hoo, I will maybe start a victim support group- he can say what he likes about the aferlife, anyone crowbarring cries of "discrimination" is an idiot- I am technically being "discriminated" from his version of heaven, this is quite funny, yes?



What group do you belong to which is regularly denied employment, harassed, assaulted & killed for no other reason than prejudice?


The human race- you may like to segment people into neat little groups to soother whatever nutjob theories you dreamed up as a teenager, but I don't- straight white males are killed and assaulted- why is someone a greater "victim" because he is gay? You are into the elevation of victimhood, to you, a pensioner beaten to death is less of a victim than a gay man beaten to death, because he is not part of your narrow victim group agenda


A dismissive slur as well, demonstrating right there how you feel it is indeed ok to target this minority. Why is that blueorder? Would you feel you could get away with an off-colour remark about Jews & circumcised sex, for instance?


if a jew was spouting on in a divisive Jew Group mentality, then yeah, Id target HIM (not Jews as a whole)- there ya go with your victim mentality, I am targeting a "minority" heh




You are a walking example of what a climate of prejudice produces.


You are an example of a person bereft of reason



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Bunken Drum]For the life of me, I cannot imagine why you would use a term for an extreme right-winger in relation to anything I've posted.


you seem to be hallucinating, I used the term (correctly) in reference to a liberal/left extremist



This is actually a non sequitur argument, since women being friends with gay men doesn't preclude them having sex with straight men because their husbands are so annoying (strong homophobia being a part of hubby's character flaws), but still, I dont suppose its ever occurred to you that almost nobody is 100% gay or straight.


you read that completely wrong (quelle surprise) I was talking about blokes who have gay friends and their wives straying, completely blowing your comments out of the water

"ALMOST NOBODY IS 100% GAY OR STRAIGHT"- what an odd comment, "almost nobody", what do you reckon, 3 or 4, 3 or 4 thousand, 3 million........what is it oh wise one. I am 100% straight, I have never found the thought of sex with a man exciting or tempting- most of us would be like that (about the same sex)



Of course, the homophobic cannot admit their own occasional curiosity,


You do realise that this is just a fantasy, as you physcially cannot know what someone is curious about, so this is really you displaying an odd fantasy




but many "gay" men do sometimes have sex with women. This is not anything I've "dreamed up", just like my experience of debauching married women, it comes from being part of a multi-sexual, promiscuous community.


Yeah, basing the WORLD on your own little whackjob clique of oddballs is a pretty sane thing to do


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posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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Jeez if you dont believe in religion dont get all cut up about it... Why would you be in the catholic church if it doesnt agree with homosexuality? In their books its a serious sin, one which has been glossed over by their own priests... but maybe a few are going back to bible roots... im not catholic and im not gay but really if you dont like it dont join... and dont whinge!



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by joesomebody
The Bible condemns all sin. While specific ones are mentioned, they all fall into a big ball of wax that can only be taken care of by accepting Jesus as Savior.

Under the New Covenant (new testament), homosexuality let alone other sins fall under the category of "Jesus' blood covers it upon acceptance of Him as Savior." Therefore, the cardinal is wrong. Not all gays go to hell. What about those that go straight and get saved? What about those who are believers but are struggling with being pure?

If they truly belive in Jesus as Savior, they are saved.
Regardless of whether or not they continue doing the sin?



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Caleb.K
Jeez if you dont believe in religion dont get all cut up about it... Why would you be in the catholic church if it doesnt agree with homosexuality? In their books its a serious sin, one which has been glossed over by their own priests... but maybe a few are going back to bible roots... im not catholic and im not gay but really if you dont like it dont join... and dont whinge!




Caleb, this is bang on the money, well said, it's like going to a gay bar and whinging because you were surrounded by gays



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove

From the Holy Bible - Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


erm so.... what if you 'lieth' with both


I need to know if I should pack a bikini or a jumper ...



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Rihanna just came out as bisexual :-)



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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It's not discrimination, it's just politically incorrect. He also says right after that it does not justify any form of discrimination
This is why I asked you to reply to my earlier posts. I've already shown, with a dictionary definition, that the word "discrimination" means to discern difference between 1 thing & others. This is not the same thing as "having discerned a difference between people, acting toward them in a prejudiced manner", for which the verb phrase "discriminate against" is often used, however I have previously argued that prejudice, being irrational, looks for any justification, regardless of how tenuous.
I have also provided a few links to illustrate some of the nastier aspects of ongoing prejudice (there are many more examples & a lot of low-level stuff which people would generally not hear about unless they saw it - like blueorder's brown eye joke, but in person with a threatening demeanor). I therefore stand by my assertion that spouting discrimination into the public domaine adds to the climate of prejudice.
We only need look to history for examples of the rubbish people with a prejudiced agenda will latch onto in support of their position: phrenology anyone? How about Neitzche? Except we can hardly blame Neitzche for not anticipating that the Nazis would dumb down his philosophy & use it to justify their ridiculous racist ideas, whereas we certainly can blame this catholic crackpot (which word I have also previously demonstrated to be appropriate, as I will show again shortly), because this cardinal need not anticipate anything: the situation he exacerbates is all around us.



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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I apologise blueorder; I had intended to get round to replying to you this evening, but I was getting a little drunk anyway & then some people came over, of the type you've characterised as a clique. You know how it is, you offer a glass of wine & the next thing you know, you're at it like rabbits...
Oh, but that's right, you dont know do you? Might want to wonder how all those dating sites keep going, mate. Yes, just a tiny insignificant clique keeping all the world's adultery going, all by themselves. Its perfectly ok, you needn't ever look at any "regular person" & suspect they're getting vastly more sex than you. Honest
Anyhoo, suffice to say, a good time was had by all & then I got sidetracked into creating a new thread.
Back tomorrow



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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... *Sigh*

it's this kind of stuff that really bothers me, and it's sad because it's my own religion.

If "you're going to hell" is what I have to look forward to, I'm never coming out to anyone in my church :/



posted on Dec, 11 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Idomaths
... *Sigh*

it's this kind of stuff that really bothers me, and it's sad because it's my own religion.

If "you're going to hell" is what I have to look forward to, I'm never coming out to anyone in my church :/


You are a prime example of somebody who is doing what is considered sin, but despite this have accepted Christ as savior. If you truly accept Him, then you're fine, though you are supposed to strive to not live sinfully. We all struggle, though.



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