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Originally posted by Gaspode
reply to post by blueorder
And that's exactly my point. Some of these religious theories make no sense at all. My example - a poor one at that - is in the line of "sinner by association"... but that's beside the point.
According to this old geezer it doesn't matter if a gay person lives a righteous life, go to church every other day, pray on a daily basis, read the Bible twice a day, give to the poor, look after the old, share the Word of God and accept Jesus as his saviour... he is still going to hell...?
Not the Graceful and Forgiving God I'm familiar with.
Originally posted by GreyWolf2012
All Christians should just go to their New World and leave this one to us..........
Ah, "victim card" - the latest dehumanising phrase used to dismiss an entire argument rather than address its points.
but I don't see the need for some homosexuals to trot out the victim card in relation to the afterlife
Originally posted by Bunken DrumAh, "victim card" - the latest dehumanising phrase used to dismiss an entire argument rather than address its points.
It is a fact that homosexuals & those who engage in other minority sexual practices do suffer as a result of ongoing prejudice.
It is also the nature of prejudice that is is irrational & thus clutches at any straw in order to justify itself. Therefore, it matters not that this old crackpot added that people should not be discriminated against,
because simply by making a distinction, a discrimination, between types of people, the damage is already done.
Some read the bible & find "an eye for an eye".
They then go on to find "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" & somehow the full import of the latter doesn't quite sink in, or it gets ignored completely, or some twisted logic about doing the lord's work pops up. The same people, calling themselves christian, then ignore the reported words of Jesus, that the Mosaic Law is replaced & now they should judge not, but turn the other cheek.
Why? For the simple reason that to overturn one's prejudice requires a re-think of one's beliefs & most people are too fearful of insecurity &/or too lazy to do that. So, they instead continue irrationally with the venting of whatever anger their lives have provoked on those against whom they feel they can get away with it towards. So, in the same way that people often call for brutal revenge against criminals, out of all proportion to the crime, simply because their boss treats them like dirt or some such thing, then, as long as anti-gay prejudicial speech is tolerated, there is a perceived acceptance that gays can be victimised with impunity.
I'll tell you tho, anyone that wants to attempt to call me an abomination to my face will quickly find the boot on the other foot.
Originally posted by Bunken DrumIn my long experience as a serial adulterer (with my wife's full knowledge & participation),
I've found that strongly homophobic men are often also very possessive of their wives or girlfriends. Ironically, this seems to plant the notion of playing around in the woman's mind, if the man's difficult personality hadn't done so already.
Originally posted by Blender
Say what you will, but homosexually is an unnatural act. Everyone knows this. Its no wonder that the vast majority of homosexuals lead depraved lifestyles, over indulging in sex and drugs. It must be tough being an abomination.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
So what kind of ignoarnt #$%^ coulds possibly draw a connection between being a homosexual and :
HOMOSEXUAL: being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
I havent seen any homosuxuals doing these things..... its all us straight dumb#$%^s who happen to be christians making all of humanity look like a stupid pile of $%^&.
Originally posted by Kailassa
And was it Saul and David getting a wee bit fond of each other in the old testament?
Originally posted by Hack28
Originally posted by blueorder
Also, if monkeys eat their own faeces does that mean we use that as rationale for humans eating their own faeces and treating that as normal- if a monkey eats another monkey does that mean humans can eat other humans- where does this madness end
First of all its Feces not FEAces, and your logic is retarted!!!
You did not address the central point of Gaspode's post, that the old crackpot was spouting hypocrisy, by the tenets of his own religion, into the public domain. Nor did you attempt to address my earlier rebuttal of your disingenuous attempt to refute my assertion that religion is by definition dishonest, which is part of the same argument.
Erm, not it doesn't, and I also addressed the points
More dismissive failure to engage in discussion.
"minority sexual practices" har har, classic.
"ONGOING PREJUDICE"- the gays are doing all right outside of Africa and Asia
By what yardstick did he judge this to be the case?
he said they wouldn't enter Heaven
• noun 1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition of the difference between one thing and another.
3 good judgement or taste.
What group do you belong to which is regularly denied employment, harassed, assaulted & killed for no other reason than prejudice?
yet I SIR shall not wave my Victim card!
For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against then law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by blueorder
Christians say they believe in the bible.... And thats in the bible...
So either you beilve it or your not a christian. So go shove your head in the sand somewere else.