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Gays 'will never go to heaven'

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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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What it boils down to in my mind is, Anyone can be saved (go to heaven), of course homosexuals are included in that.

The only problem I have here is trying to justify things that Biblically are unjustifyable. We simply need to recognize that we are in a Fallen state and accept forgiveness. Once that happens I believe that a change of heart begins. It did for me.

But even if nothing changed except your asking and accepting forgiveness, you WILL be Saved. Period. So 'Welcome Brothers and Sisters All' who have accepted Gods Sacrifice for you!




posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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Gays will never go to heaven because they don't want to spend eternity with all the crazy christians...


PEACE and LOVE...



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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Heaven too is an illusion. Aim higher. Become one with the Creator. Merge with the Creator. It's all about free will. When the Matrix gives you two options to a problem, You create a third. You have no limitations. Anything is possible. You are already Divine. Remember who you are. Service to Others. Catch all negative thoughts and turn them into positive ones. Negatiity is food for our advesaries. Deny them. Look for the pitfalls, do not invest emotion to them or you will draw them to you. Intuition is above reason, below reason is emotionalism. When you realize the truth you must step forward boldly and claim you power. To realize and step back would make you a target for the Service to Self forces. Deny them access.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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The sad thing is, there will come a time when the church, any church, will eventually become "tolerant" of homosexuality. I say sad because this has been the church's modus operandi for centuries... promoting intolerance until the people realize it cannot possibly be true.

They will next find something else to be intolerant of and the world's billions will zealously follow.

I honestly believe, that in order for our entire world to evolve toward any state resembling Utopia, world religion must be eradicated. I believe it has been the greatest enemy of progress and human development.



Mahogany


P.S. It would be interesting to come up with an estimate of how many people have been murdered in the name or religion in all our history. The numbers would be staggering. Everything from great religious wars like the crusades, to a couple millenia of religious torturing i.e. inquisition, to more recent religious wars like Bosnia or Kosovo where people of one religion were exterminated based on differences in religion.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Poopra
Why is this such a big deal? Is this some sort of "news"? This has been around since the Old Testament. God seems to be pretty clear on the subject...

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

According to the Bible, what he said is true. If you aren't Christian, then don't worry about it. I could care less what all the homos and transexuals in the world do with each other. Has no effect whatsoever on my life. I'm not going to tell you to stop being gay, so in return please stop trying to convince me to accept your lifestyle and think it's "normal" and "ok". Gays have the highest infidelity, suicide, std, and depression rates per capita of any recorded group. I think that says something.


Firstly, the Leviticus quotes are completely irrelevant. No one is responsible for following the Mosaic Law anymore considering that the new covenant is in Jesus.

Your Corinthians and Romans quotes are from a letter that Paul wrote. That's all his opinion. Being a christian means following the teachings of christ, not the letters of another common man. Holding another man's letter as sacred is worshipping him. You can worship Paul all you want, but you aren't a christian. You are a Paul-worshipper.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
I just finished watching "Guess Who Is Coming To Dinner" with Katherine Hepburne and Spencer Tracey.

Watch it and substitute "Negro/Black" for "Gay".

Times are a changing and mankind must learn to drop the hate.

Doesn't every true Christian agree with this? you must not hate people. There is a difference between hating people and hating sin, what you say? Christ never hated anyone. He even said, love your enemy, that's the last people you want to love.

The question is will they go to heaven and Catholic Church is either using unambiguous language (not the first) or simply is wrong. I am sure some Catholics would agree. homosexuality = sin, screwing outside or before marriage = sin, hell watching porn = sin, whishing bad to someone = sin, so you see, no matter how good you are, you're screwed unless you approach the issue from a different angle. Pharisees were probably the closest group at that time to being holy in terms of keeping the God's law, yet Christ said if your righteousness will not supersede that of Pharisees, you're not coming into the groovy place. There was never a human (according to Scripture) in existence who managed to be good enough to go to heaven.

Paradox? No point trying to be good? Heaven unreachable?
true. true (kind of). false.

There is a way to heaven, people simply knocking at the wrong door. And you all know what I mean. Therefore question should really be rephrased:

Can a person who accepted Christ's death as a payment for his/her sins, by recognizing his/her inability to stop being sinful and asking God for mercy, continue being gay for the rest of his/her life?


[edit on 8-12-2009 by mushibrain]



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by gsuboy
You can worship Paul all you want, but you aren't a christian. You are a Paul-worshipper.


All Christianity is Paulian. There is no sect around today, to my knowledge, that follows the true teachings of Jesus the Christ.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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I know, right?! If there is an afterlife, please oh please send me to the place these priests and their followers aren't going! Not to mention, Heaven is just going to be a badly designed project done over by some guy that calls "art" the heads of a bunch of dead animals mounted on the wall.

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Why do people even listen or bother discussing the ramblings of an old man stuck in archaic ignorance is bliss? Perhaps I would have taken the Catholic church a little more seriously before Vatican II, or perhaps the 1700's, well, actually before the dark ages. But in 2009 how people can maintain faith in a group that bends and changes the rules as the time see's fit to remain just enough inside the mainstream to stay "cool."

No one pay attention to the dude and he with his followers will simply fade into the aether.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by lifecitizenHow do I wake up sinning?

how do I sin in my sleep?


This site is getting ridiculous- thread after thread of complete religious bull#, I'm over it and I only just got here.




I wouldn't get too upset about it- it is cearly just highlighting how Christians view the human condition- sin is constant and is an integral part of our existince until we die


I think its a bit more than that. Its about homosexuals that find articles like this and then post them here. Then they get together with all their homosexual friends and fill threads like this with hate against a belief they disagree with.

This thread wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for the anti-christian homosexuals. They just love to play victim... It justifies their bug chasing, gift giving lifestyles in some demented way...


Freaks is what they are really. They get all worked up when one of their own starts a thread like this and actually blame Christians for starting the thread. There are actually homosexuals calling for bans against Christians in this thread because they think a Christian started the thread!

This is the goal of the homosexuals on ATS. To create hate for Christians while "highlighting" their bug chasing gift giving lifestyles as justified...

They are disingenuous at best... I say send them all to Uganda...



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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As many have posted here, we probably shouldn't even give a nano-second of effort to explain how close minded religion can be. This discussion about gays/transsexuals proves it. I struggle to understand how religion teaches such harsh judgement on anybody
So much for unconditional love. It reflects the time that it was written in and needs to be left there. And it would seem that more & more people are catching on. Spirituality has become very widespread in my experience. When you take the blinders off and begin to question everything, the truth comes through.

IMO, people are people and it's how you live your life that matters. It's not who you love...it's only that you love (not my quote). The golden rule is THE rule for our lives. Imagine the peace & love we could have in the world if you realized that Peace & Love always come back to you when you give it. Through the Law of Attraction, the world would be transformed. Open your mind & heart and you can help change the world now!!!

Peace.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar
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I don't care to tell them anything, or you for that matter. I know where you stand and I'm weary of your thread. Have a nice night.


Thank god.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here weary of reading your retarded bs.

try not to rush back here, have a sleep in instead, better for all concerned.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Freaks is what they are really.



This is the goal of the homosexuals on ATS.


Poor victimized loving Christians.


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To create hate for Christians while "highlighting" their bug chasing gift giving lifestyles as justified...


Of course, that's it! Ill-placed representatives of the "Christian faith" do something stupid and suddenly its the homosexual's fault.


And its someone else causing hate to the poor victimized loving Christians... wow.

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I wonder what the reaction would be to your comments if you substituted blacks, Jews, Arabs, or Down's children for homosexuals in that post.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by niteboy82
reply to post by northof8
 



Freaks is what they are really.



This is the goal of the homosexuals on ATS.


Poor victimized loving Christians.


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To create hate for Christians while "highlighting" their bug chasing gift giving lifestyles as justified...


Of course, that's it! Ill-placed representatives of the "Christian faith" do something stupid and suddenly its the homosexual's fault.


And its someone else causing hate to the poor victimized loving Christians... wow.

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I wonder what the reaction would be to your comments if you substituted blacks, Jews, Arabs, or Down's children for homosexuals in that post.




I could care less about any other group including Christians. My point here is the flaming homosexuals going on about how hate filled this thread is. The problem with that is they create the thread, contribute to the hate and then blame Christians for it.

They are full time victims here at ATS and it is getting very old but the pattern is clear. They love playing victim while preaching hate against all others that don't agree with them.

Sounds more and more like a religion everyday. The ultimate religion of immorality. The justification of the man/boy love, gift giving bug chasing lifestyle.

I wouldn't mind so much if they just came out and said exactly what they are and argue from there but no... They have to couch their real motives in the ultimate PC term of the day.. Victimization...

Once again, its the biggest shell game going. It is a conspiracy so I guess it fits will with the board here. It just needs to be exposed for what it is. Fraud & Deception at its best...



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by northof8
I think its a bit more than that. Its about homosexuals that find articles like this and then post them here.

Freaks is what they are really. They get all worked up when one of their own starts a thread like this and actually blame Christians for starting the thread. There are actually homosexuals calling for bans against Christians in this thread because they think a Christian started the thread!

If I wasn't laughing so hard at your comedy, I would have notice the insult that you tried to dish out to me!

Casual readers, northof8 has dismissed himself from any serious discussion in this thread, due to his uninformed opinions that are completely wrong. Wave good bye to your ATS credibility, northof8, you lost it when you posted those quotes above.

I'm the OP. I'm not gay and I'm not religious. That makes your opinion utter bunk.

[edit on 8-12-2009 by tezzajw]



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by northof8
I think its a bit more than that. Its about homosexuals that find articles like this and then post them here.

Freaks is what they are really. They get all worked up when one of their own starts a thread like this and actually blame Christians for starting the thread. There are actually homosexuals calling for bans against Christians in this thread because they think a Christian started the thread!

If I wasn't laughing so hard at your comedy, I wouldn't notice the insult that you tried to dish out to me!

Casual readers, northof8 has dismissed himself from any serious discussion in this thread, due to his uninformed opinions that are completely wrong. Wave good bye to your ATS credibility, northof8, you lost it when you posted those quotes above.

I'm the OP. I'm not gay and I'm not religious. That makes your opinion utter bunk.


Typical homosexual banter here. Claim not to be that which you clearly are while not answering to the charges of charades here on ATS. This was clearly a troll post to get all your homosexual friends to come here and once again open up the "flame" thrower on one group or another.

You are clearly a homosexual and a very bad moderator of your own thread. You clearly endorse your homosexual friends calling for bans against those that start threads that bash homosexuals like this very thread is implied to do but you homosexuals start them. Its the biggest shell game going on ATS.

You are a homosexual troll with a victim complex. You are a fraud and a bad one that that. At least try next time



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by northof8
Typical homosexual banter here. Claim not to be that which you clearly are while not answering to the charges of charades here on ATS. This was clearly a troll post to get all your homosexual friends to come here and once again open up the "flame" thrower on one group or another.

You appear to have no contact with reality.

I'm not gay. There's a select few ladies out there who have had the utmost pleasure of being in my company. They don't kiss and tell, just like me.



Originally posted by northof8
You are clearly a homosexual and a very bad moderator of your own thread.

Clearly, you are wrong. Even more clear, is the fact that you will attract the attention of the Moderators, if you continue to make your false accusations.



Originally posted by northof8
You are a homosexual troll with a victim complex. You are a fraud and a bad one that that. At least try next time

Here, I'll use my divine powers to predict that soon you will have a little red label under your screen name that has the word 'WARNING' written on it.

I expect that I will be able to form a cult of disciples, when my prophecy comes true. I'll even accept gay folk into my flock, unlike you.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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All I see here is a lot of people who never read the bible.
A lot of hilarious mickey mouse assumptions of what heaven and hell are.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar
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I don't care to tell them anything, or you for that matter. I know where you stand and I'm weary of your thread. Have a nice night.


Thank god.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here weary of reading your retarded bs.

try not to rush back here, have a sleep in instead, better for all concerned.


Seriously? Is that all you bring to the discussion? It might come as a shock to you, but people come here to exchange and debate ideas. Try to bring something of substance next time and leave the bashing at home.



posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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Say what you will, but homosexually is an unnatural act. Everyone knows this. Its no wonder that the vast majority of homosexuals lead depraved lifestyles, over indulging in sex and drugs. It must be tough being an abomination.



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