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Ahmadinejad: Not A 'Damn Thing' Israel Can Do to Stop Nuclear Program

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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by redoubt I do, however, take notice whenever one world leader talks of wiping another nation from the planet...


Who did this? Are you referring to Ahmadinejad's alleged "wipe Israel off the map" comment? Because to my understanding, that is not what he said. It did however appear to be what the mass media was touting and what someone wanted us to believe.

As I said in my earlier post, it's hard to remember who dissed who when with these two or what was false and what was true in their propoganda war. Setting all the smack talk aside, it makes more sense to looking at all this from a rational and global perspective, maybe starting with the other leaders in the middle east growing some balls.

Oh and as to the politics, in Israel isn't it primarily one part that takes issue with Iran? The Lukid?

[edit on 2-12-2009 by ~Lucidity]




posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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me to me-to i put him on ignore you dont mean amadinijad do you



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:38 PM
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When you smoke too much weed, or start going after magic mashrooms you are going to start hallucinating and make big deal of little things. Talking about personal experience here.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by someoldguy
 


Not to take it too far off topic...

But the Atomic bombs, as horrific as they were, were the least horrific of a laundry list of horrific outcomes during the Pacific War. The most horrific being the wholesale invasion of the Home Islands. Millions might have perished in the ensuing bloodbath.

Iran having the Bomb is a bad thing.


Bad for whom - Iran, the USA, or Israel.


Iran is not the most stable, politically, of places....


Name one (1) country on this god forsaken planet that is stable?



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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I'm a little skeptical also about the "damn thing" paraphrasing and misquoting that the western media does on Iran, bordering very heavily on propaganda.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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Imam Proto,

It's pretty clear your handlers pay you by the word as mouthpiece for their marketing campaign. Basic stories to be hammered away being:



Laugh out loud Michael in case you haven’t figured it out by now I am bound by that universal law that prohibits me from entering churches! Contrary to popular belief though Holy Water has no effect on me, neither do wooden stakes but I have been known to be amicable for a good New York Strip Steak! Nothing like a little Montreal Rub minus the meat Michael.
Your posts seem to be absent of meat by the way.


Do you really think there is anyone on the planet that could possibly handle me? My only compensation is the heart felt satisfaction that I truly work to make the world a safer and more loving place!





1) Jews (use the word "Zionists") are the source of all problems in the Middle East. This despite the entire region's political milieu being driven since post-WWII by oil and gas interests.


Really are they? That sounds a tad prejudicial to me Michael but there is no denying Zionists politics which many decent peace loving Jews reject does play a prominent role in keeping Middle East tensions high and thus Oil Prices.

Or are we going to pretend that for the last 2 years and then some Zionist Israel has not been waging an increasingly threatening propaganda war against the peaceful and peace loving sovereign nation of Iran?

The military industrial complex has not gone broke from a lack of business thanks to Zionist Israeli politics but the U.S. Treasury sure has in paying for its foibles and excesses!




2) The Iranain Mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard would never harm a fly. Their active support and enabling of suberfuge conflicts and overt terrorism are purely national defense measures.


I am sure it’s highly disappointing to some people that they don’t take to waging outright wars of aggression like the United States does in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Israel does in Gaza and Lebanon where combined hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children have been killed through indiscriminate U.S. and Israel military bombardments.

Those crazy violent Mullahs and their covert acts that no one can attribute one dead body too sure are pretty rotten at keeping pace with the hundreds of thousands of casualties the U.S. and Israel have wracked up.

I can appreciate why some people would be so disappointed in Iran’s lackluster efforts. Not a lot of Military Industrial Complex profits to be made off the Iranians now are there Michael? I guess you could call that an untapped market ripe for expansion?

Personally I respect their peaceful ways.




But even the most conservative Iranian expert doesn't pretend the country hasn't gone down the crapper economically since the Islamic Revolution. Were it not for 2005-8 oil prices flurry the country would be a basket case. And they're still not out of the woods.

There's good reason the 'old money' families and entrepreneurial class have fled the country. Why there is a powder keg of young Iranians not happy watching a small theocratic and military class drain oil profits while undoing thousands of years of culture.



Even the most conservative Iranian experts would be former SAVAK Agents with the worst human rights violations known to man under the brutal and despotic regime of the Shah, that in fact enriched those old money families who numbered in the mere thousands that lived an international jet set life of shopping in Paris, London and Los Angeles while 99% of all Iranians lived in abject squalor. The state of the living conditions for the mostly impoverished masses during the Shah’s reign of despotism and corruption were deplorable and widely documented Michael.

So those couple thousands of aristocratic family members who never worked an honest day in their lives for their millions and millions of stolen petro dollars are upset that the Clerics are now in charge of the oil operations that provided them their easy come, easy go fortunes, now there is a surprise!

The reality is that living conditions and the average wage for the masses have increased dramatically and markedly under the post Revolutionary Regimes.

Only someone living in a bitter fantasy land could attempt to ignore those facts or twist them for some self serving agenda.

The reality is Iran in 30 short years has built a much more beautiful, functional and prosperous society than Zionist Israel has in 65, I can well imagines why Zionists are so jealous of it.

Especially considering Iran has had to go it alone with U.S. Sanctions in place against it that whole time while Zionist Israel has received trillions of dollars in U.S. Aide.

Kind of makes you wonder what they do with all that money we give them in Zionist Israel! Hey who needs oil wealth when you have the American Taxpayers to pump!





[edit on 2/12/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Or are we going to pretend that for the last 2 years and then some Zionist Israel has been waging an increasingly threatening propaganda war against the peaceful and peace loving sovereign nation of Iran?

The military industrial complex has not gone broke from a lack of business thanks to Zionist Israeli politics but the U.S. Treasury sure has in paying for its foibles and excesses!


Actually the military industrial complex is going broke fast using conventional means to fight a co-ordinated asymmetrical war in the Middle East meant to wear down Western World resistance, exhaust funds, dissipate progress.

In the last few years, Iran has chose to provoke internal strive in an unstable Iraq liberated from their sworn enemy Saddam. Their direct confrontation avoiding policy is to never send their own troops instead financing and arming weak funding-hungry regimes in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and anti-Israeli organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. That’s without getting into their direct funding of overt terrorist activities.



Those crazy violent Mullahs and their covert acts that no one can attribute one dead body too sure are pretty rotten at keeping pace with the hundreds of thousands of casualties the U.S. and Israel have wracked up.


The number have been supplied more than once on this list. Since the formation of Israel in 1948, 11 million Muslims killed by other Muslims, 35,000 Muslims killed fighting Israel.

So who is killing all these Muslims?

When Saddam’s 1980-1 half year campaign to invade Iran and take control of a disputed border province, which had it’s provocations from the new Islamic Revolution, fizzled. Saddam and the rest of the Arab world attempted to make amends and move forward.

Those “crazy violent Mullahs” instead dccide to wage a Holy War against Iraq with the declared goal of moving on to Israel and further West. A million Iranians died, most civilians including children who were ordered to roll around in field to set off land mines.



en.wikipedia.org...
A Saudi Arabia-backed plan to end the war agreed to by Iraq included $70 billion in war reparations to be paid by Arabian states of the Persian Gulf on behalf of Iraq, and complete the Iraqi evacuation from Iranian territory - an offer called by some critics of Iranian government as "extraordinarily favorable to Iran." Iran rejected Iraq's offer, demanding the removal of the Saddam Hussein regime, the repatriation of 100,000 Shi'ites expelled from Iraq before the war, and $150 billion in war reparations.
On 21 June, Khomeini indicated that Iran would invade Iraq shortly, and on 22 June, the Iranian Chief-of-Staff Shirazi declared to "continue the war until Saddam Hussein is overthrown so that we can pray at Karbala and Jerusalem".This matched a comment made by Khomeini on the issue of a truce with Iraq: "There are no conditions. The only condition is that the regime in Baghdad must fall and must be replaced by an Islamic Republic."

Under the slogans "War, War until Victory," and "The Road to Jerusalem Goes through Karbala," Iran advanced. A tactic used in this advance noted throughout the world was the encouragment of heroism among young Iranian basij volunteers who sought martyrdom in human wave attacks on Iraqi positions. The volunteers were inspired before battle by tales of Ashura, the Battle of Karbala, and the supreme glory of martyrdom, and sometimes by an actor (usually a more mature soldier), playing the part of Imam Hossein himself riding a white horse, galloping along the lines, providing the inexperienced soldiers a vision of "the hero who would lead them into their fateful battle before they met their God."




Even the most conservative Iranian experts would be former SAVAK Agents with the worst human rights violations known to man under the brutal and despotic regime of the Shah, that in fact enriched those old money families who numbered in the mere thousands that lived an international jet set life of shopping in Paris, London and Los Angeles while 99% of all Iranians lived in abject squalor. The state of the living conditions for the mostly impoverished masses during the Shah’s reign of despotism and corruption were deplorable and widely documented Michael.

So those couple thousands of aristocratic family members who never worked an honest day in their lives for their millions and millions of stolen petro dollars are upset that the Clerics are now in charge of the oil operations that provided them their easy come, easy go fortunes, now there is a surprise!


You’ve obviously never lived in other parts of the world.

Unfortunately in much of the underdeveloped world and particularly the Middle East this is called “normal” It would take a day to compile sketch list of corruption, and nepotism, state enacted murder enacted by friendly peace-loving regime leader and monarchies in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, even Arafat’s PLO.



The reality is Iran in 30 short years has built a much more beautiful, functional and prosperous society than Zionist Israel has in 65, I can well imagines why Zionists are so jealous of it.


The reality is you know nothing about the Muslim Middle East, Israel, contemporary Iran.

Iran was once the most stable and advance country in the Middle East. The current theocratic regime has managed to undo all of that. A few pretty parks in North Tehran does not neutralize the hard reality that Iran’s economic output now has to feed 35 Million more people than it did on the eve of it’s Islamic Revolution.

While underdeveloped Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, let’s even include Japan and India, have seen the immediate advantage of modernization, industrialization, advances technologies, mass secular education, fully representative governments - Iran’s Mullahs are working on the next phase of their Islamic Revolution with tens of millions of captive hostages as their future warriors.

Truth is Iran has missed the boat in a fat moving word. 30 years ago they were 10 years behind and catching up fast. Now they're 40 years behind and not even in the race.

A lot happening this year. The Revolutionary Guard did a coup d'etat on the Mullahs last Spring.

Even dumber and greedier than the Mullahs, their huge oversight, controlling out of country refineries so they could sell gasoline to their own govt has made them completely vulnerable to non-military warfare based on squeezing their fuel supplies. They can be bled dry in a week. Planes and tanks don't run on crude oil. The Russians want them destabilized further.

Watch what happens.


M


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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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Iran was once the most stable and advance country in the Middle East. The current theocratic regime has managed to undo all of that. A few pretty parks in North Tehran does not neutralize the hard reality that Iran’s economic output now has to feed 35 Million more people than it did on the eve of it’s Islamic Revolution.


Laugh out loud Michael it was considered the most stable Muslim nation in ASIA where it's located because it was a pro-Western puppet regime propped up by the United States and United Kingdom and their combined intelligence sources that trained and ran the brutal SAVAK to ensure it's oil wealth could be raped by the west and a few hundred wealthy Persian oligarch families.

The actual proof of just what progress they have made under withering sanctions leveled against it by the United States and the United Kingdom for having the temerity to throw out the Royal Dynasty that even stole the very throne it sat on from India that was raping their land and condemning its people to abject poverty and despair lays in Communist Cuba.

Cuba’s Castro Regime is the only other nation so heavily sanctioned and boycotted and it’s an absolute mess compared to Iran.

So somehow in 30 years of debilitating punitive and vindictive sanctions brought to bear on it for throwing off it’s puppet regime and the people exercising self determination they have managed to achieve a much higher state of widespread prosperity the average citizen never enjoyed under that stable thieving Shah who was so beloved his own people revolted against him not once but twice, they have surpassed the a level of prosperity and internal harmony Israel has not achieved in 65 with trillions in U.S. and European Aide or Cuba has achieved in 50 with help from the Russians.

Frankly I do believe in giving credit where credit is due and obviously with the adversities laid out against them they have done a commendable job which is why the Iranian people prone to revolt and coups have kept their present style of government.

Sounds like nothing to me but a lot of sour grapes on the part of disenfranchised oligarchs and jealous Zionists.

It must really sting that so many Iranian Jews choose to live in Iran than move to nearby Israel!


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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Iran was once the most stable and advance country in the Middle East. The current theocratic regime has managed to undo all of that. A few pretty parks in North Tehran does not neutralize the hard reality that Iran’s economic output now has to feed 35 Million more people than it did on the eve of it’s Islamic Revolution.


Laugh out loud Michael it was considered the most stable Muslim nation in ASIA where it's located because it was a pro-Western puppet regime propped up by the United States and United Kingdom and their combined intelligence sources that trained and ran the brutal SAVAK to ensure it's oil wealth could be raped by the west and a few hundred wealthy Persian oligarch families.

The actual proof of just what progress they have made under withering sanctions leveled against it by the United States and the United Kingdom for having the temerity to throw out the Royal Dynasty that even stole the very throne it sat on from India that was raping their land and condemning its people to abject poverty and despair lays in Communist Cuba.

So somehow in 30 years of debilitating punitive and vindictive sanctions brought to bear on it for throwing off it’s puppet regime and the people exercising self determination they have managed to achieve a much higher state of widespread prosperity the average citizen never enjoyed under that stable thieving Shah who was so beloved his own people revolted against him not once but twice, they have surpassed the a level of prosperity and internal harmony Israel has not achieved in 65 with trillions in U.S. and European Aide or Cuba has achieved in 50 with help from the Russians.

Frankly I do believe in giving credit where credit is due and obviously with the adversities laid out against them they have done a commendable job which is why the Iranian people prone to revolt and coups have kept their present style of government.

Sounds like nothing to me but a lot of sour grapes on the part of disenfranchised oligarchs and jealous Zionists.

It must really sting that so many Iranian Jews choose to live in Iran than move to nearby Israel!


Try sources that know something about a country called Iran - actual facts instead of anecdotes and delusional fantasies.

Iran's population has almost doubled since the 1979 Glorious Islamic Revolution. From 39 Million to 72 Million. In the same period then number of Jews went from 80 thousand to 20 thousand. The rest went to Israel or elsewhere. A country which has less than a tenth the population of Iran and 1.5 million Muslim citizens.

The Jews have fled Iran in droves just like the Christians, educated upper class, professionals, the entrepreneurial, the smart.


Ironic the Mad Mullahs are reviving an old tradition of Planned Jewish genocide from even before there wasn't a State of Israel to blame for their management inadequacies.

Few wish to remember how the Nazis renamed Persia to 'Iran' as part of their 'Aryan' purification drive.


www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com...

Reza Shah Pahlavi seizes power in Persia in 1925 and develops close ties with Hitler's Germany in 1933.

Hitler establishes Germany's Foreign Affairs Bureau. The mission of the bureau is to send envoys to other countries to initiate strategic alliances with Germany. It is met with great success in Persia (Iran today).

Seduced by Hitler's ideology of racial purity, he draws attention to the fact that both Germans and Persians are from the Aryan (Indo-european) race. He renames Persia and calls it Iran (in reference to Aryan). A change suggested by Hitler's banker Hjalmar Schacht to Iran's ambassador to Germany.

Reza Shah seeks to diminish Britain's monopoly over Iranian oil reserves and draws closer economic ties with Nazi Germany.

Between 1933 and 1939, Germany's trading with Iran increases five-fold, and by 1939, Iran has the greatest trade turn-over with Germany than any other country.

The Foreign Affairs Bureau establishes many institutions in Iran. Nazi Gestapo agents are sent to Iran, which becomes a major center for Middle Eastern agitation against the British.

Fritz Grobba is Hitler's envoy. Called the ‘German Lawrence of Arabia', promised a pan-islamic state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran.'

WWII breaks out. Hitler seeks to take-over the world and establish his Aryan empire. Amin Al Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, [Yasser Arafat’s mentor uncle] is by his side in Berlin and is considered to be the Fuhrer of the Arab world.

He shares with Hitler a virulent anti-Semitism. Amin al Husseini seeks to establish an Islamic empire with Jerusalem as its capital. He pushes for the eradication of European Jewry and establishes Muslim SS Nazi troops in the Balkans, which participated in the ethnic cleansing of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies.

Amin Al-Husseini instigates a pro-Nazi coup in Baghdad, Iraq. Kharaillah Tulfah is his right-hand man. Tulfah is Saddam Hussein's mentor and uncle. Germany sends weapons and aircrafts to Husseini. Coup fails and the British secure their hold on Irak and its oil.

Amin Al Husseini's intention was to provide Iraqi oil to fuel Hitler's war machine. He flees to neighboring Iran.

Forced to flee Iraq, Amin Al Husseini relocates in Iran. He once again tries to funnel Iranian oil to Hitler's army in Czechkoslovakia and Austria using the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co.

Amin Al Husseini arranges deal with Germany in exchange for permission to launch Islamic Jihad against the Jews and the Allies and obtains guarantee from Nazi Germany of a Pan-Arab state, which would include full control over Palestine.

Sensing the threat, Britain and the Allied Forces invade Iran and cut the Mufti's oil supply to Hitler in October 1941 Amin Al Husseini hides in the fascist Italian Embassy of Tehran and flees to Egypt, disguised as an Italian delegate.



Iran has been heavily sanctioned. That is their choice. Nobody wants to risk giving nukes to religious lunatics. The world isn't trying to persecute the Iranian people, just a rotten regime that neither understands diplomacy or even how to loot their own treasury properly. The trick is to siphon off what you can but not run the country into the ground.

The not so noble not so prosperous 30 year Islamic Revolution sputters on. All rhetoric no improvement of quality of life for the people. A martyr mission taking 70 million with them. Pretending 1000 years of world history hasn't happened, that the humanity is waiting for a divinely inspired Shiite Revolution that starts by killing the Jews in the neighbourhood.

The current world thinking is to just let Iran run itself into the ground. We'll see who picks up the pieces. No one has too much sympathy, just vultures circling seeing what they can pick at. Just keep the nukes away from them.

Too bad. Thousands of years of Persian culture, destroyed by religious fanatics and their greedy military minions.


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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
While underdeveloped Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, let’s even include Japan and India, have seen the immediate advantage of modernization, industrialization, advances technologies, mass secular education, fully representative governments


History proves "modernization, industrialization, mass secular 'education,' and NWO governments" are not of any real benefit to the people of said nations.

Research the IMF in South Korea messing up their economy, for example. Every year thousands of South Korean kids kill themselves because they couldn't make good enough grades or get a high enough score on their equivalent of the SATs to go to college, smart kids who spend their whole life studying for one exam just to try to actually live the promises you put forth for these countries as a carrot on a stick.

If I were Iran there is no way in hell I'd allow the Zionists to move in and set up more McDonalds. Besides, the UN doesn't want to support the build up of any more big cities like New York City or Tokyo or Seoul. Too much pollution.

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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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The only country in the world to drop a nuclear bomb,
never apologised yet is telling everyone else what to do.
Its someone having a bit of a control hunger problem isnt it?



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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As members of the "haves" americans have no right to dictate what the "have nots" can or cannot have. Everyone has the right to have exactly what you have. The sooner you guys realise this the sooner the world will stop hating you. You are not better than everyone else, you all think you are morally superior to everone else, it's all a matter of perspective. North Korea, Iran, Somalia and everyone else has the right to technology. It's not up to you guys to decide. If you believe in a higher power you can pray to them. Thats all you can do. If you decide to bomb their research centres and nuclear power stations you are working for the man downstairs. And St Peter will be the bouncer on the door you have to explain yourselves to. I'm from Australia. We try not to hold other cultures back. Take a leaf......



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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Sorry for being so blunt. Obama, send your troops home, use them for defence, not aggresion. Those men have families. Antiwar, pro discussion. America is not the big brother, you're an equal. "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" Heed the words of your forefathers.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Whenever Ahmedinejad makes provocative statements involving Israel, its just to curry favour from a particular section of his constituency. Politicians are always doing it. The reality is that Chinese trade protects the status quo. That various western govts are trying to undermine the status quo with the constant barrage of Iranoia about non-existant nuclear threats is what I find most worrying.
A bit confusing is Russia's position in this whole mess. Apparently they are going to get the reactor working early next year, but still haven't delivered the S-300 air defence system. Are they trying to get something more out of Iran? Using the missiles as a bargaining chip to secure further NATO concessions in Eastern Europe? Or... do they have a vested interest in seeing Israel actually go a. & bomb Iranian nuclear facilities?
In the event of any Israeli 1st strike, I could well see the USA being forced to use its veto to block sanctions. There would very likely be a hefty political backlash against the USA in that case, which might very well propel the issue of American pseudo-imperialism & the petro-$ into MSM, leading to calls for IMF special drawing rights to be formalised as a new world trade currency.
Hmm... Very good for BRIC nations, not quite so good for the EU, fairly indifferent for Arab countries, very very bad for the USA.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Name one (1) country on this god forsaken planet that is stable?


Wow such generalisation again on ats that I'm reading.

People die in Britain, people die in Iran - does the numbers not matter to you, does the circumstances not matter to you? Is it all the same when you read one statistic and ignore the next, and ignore the bigger picture?

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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 09:17 AM
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Even the wife of one of Khamenei's son's has left Iran.... the islamic regime is a sinking ship, and we'll see more bluster coming from them (esp. Ahmadi) before they sink altogether.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by x2Strongx


This could be pretty interesting. Although, I can somewhat understand where he's coming from. I will do everything I can to protect my family, friends and country... so if this is his motivation, I say go for it. But, if there is ulterior motive here like say... building nuclear weapons, then he definitely needs to be controlled. Pretty bold either way...

What do you think?

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I think they don't need Nuclear energy, they already have all the oil to power their cities.. your never gonna make me believe they actually want nuclear energy as an alternative energy source - Not when they have all the oil.. it's just SILLY.

They sell oil to the rest of the world. They don't have to pay high prices for it.. a major reason we switched to nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is a huge waste of money for them. So they must want to make weapons. Given their history of aggression, nothing else makes since to me.

The arrogant little fart saying nothing can be done to stop him is like the Titanic saying God couldn't sink her.

The CIA has done it before. I say we send in a surgical strike team to take him out and tactical nuke all his nuclear facilities. Then the next guy won't be so arrogant.

Whats 5 year deal? It's clear to me these ploys from the UN and empty and meaningless just for public show. If the UN really wanted Iran stopped, they could do it in a days time.

The UN is on of the biggest problems keeping America down and in servitude. I say we leave the UN and kick them off our soil.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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I think they don't need Nuclear energy, they already have all the oil to power their cities.. your never gonna make me believe they actually want nuclear energy as an alternative energy source - Not when they have all the oil.. it's just SILLY.


I don't think New Orleans needs levies there is plenty of dry land above sea level nearby! The city should just be abandoned.

Sounds pretty silly doesn't it.

So too is the fact that we here in the United States don't even bother to drill or extract much of our own oil in favor of buying Middle Eastern oil at great profit to the oil companies.

Why then do we have Nuclear Power plants, when we have so much oil we aren't using?

Further why would a person who lives half way around the world from the nation in question, with the questionable sense of living in a bellow sea level city prone to flooding get any idea that they know what's right for the people of a nation half way around the world.

How do you imagine their actions really effect you beyond the negative reactions of governments who covet Iran's oil and resources and despise that it's an independent nation not under their jackboots?

The negative reactions of warmongering oil hungry regimes is what is going to have an adverse impact, not the peaceful Iranian regime that has not attacked one nation in its existence.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 10:19 AM
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I think they don't need Nuclear energy, they already have all the oil to power their cities.. your never gonna make me believe they actually want nuclear energy as an alternative energy source - Not when they have all the oil.. it's just SILLY.


I don't think New Orleans needs levies there is plenty of dry land above sea level nearby! The city should just be abandoned.

Sounds pretty silly doesn't it.

So too is the fact that we here in the United States don't even bother to drill or extract much of our own oil in favor of buying Middle Eastern oil at great profit to the oil companies.

Why then do we have Nuclear Power plants, when we have so much oil we aren't using?

Further why would a person who lives half way around the world from the nation in question, with the questionable sense of living in a bellow sea level city prone to flooding get any idea that they know what's right for the people of a nation half way around the world.

How do you imagine their actions really effect you beyond the negative reactions of governments who covet Iran's oil and resources and despise that it's an independent nation not under their jackboots?

The negative reactions of warmongering oil hungry regimes is what is going to have an adverse impact, not the peaceful Iranian regime that has not attacked one nation in its existence.


Your forgetting about when Iran invaded Iraq and started a bloody 8 year war and the Iran Hostage Crisis where we almost had to nuke Iran to get our people back.

We don't drill because our government would rather buy oil than deplete our reserves. Sure we do have some oil, and we used to drill for it and use it. But we don't have the abundance of oil that the middle east does.

Its not about whats right for the people of Iran. You totally misunderstand my post. If the people want nuclear power for their cities that's one thing (even though they don't need it) but Iran has a long history of not working with the powers that be to ensure they don't make nuclear weapons.This is the Governments doing not the peoples, and my post was directed at them.

Your comment about he levies are comical. It's the ONLY ONE THING that New Orleans can do to protect itself from floods. Bad analogy.

Get a new government in Iran, one who will work with tptb honestly without the deception they used in the past and then I may concede that they may use nuclear technology for energy and not weapons.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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Your forgetting about when Iran invaded Iraq and started a bloody 8 year war and the Iran Hostage Crisis where we almost had to nuke Iran to get our people back.


You are forgetting that Iraq invaded Iran and Iraq invaded Iran at America's request!

You are also forgetting that the Shah was being propped up by the CIA and the SAVAK and those efforts were run out of the American Embassy and that the Shah came to power not once, but twice through American and British led military coups.

Chances are you weren't alive back then and watched it all unfold.

I was, but honestly it's pretty suspect when someone doesn't know Iraq started that war and would say that Iran did.

You might want to ask yourself what other bad and mistaken information are framing your opinions and perspectives and ask yourself how wise is it to base them off of totally false information.

Iraq invaded Iran.



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