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Topic started on 2-12-2009 @ 02:06 AM by darkangle2bad
The End of America happens in the middle of the night
Link: pakalert.wordpress.com...


While normal everyday oblivious Americans were preparing their beds to sleep Saturday night their elected officials quietly passed H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Indeed, the passage of this act deals one of the final death blows to the Constitution and with it our liberties.




Rep. Steve King., R-Iowa, holds a copy of the health care bill over his head after a rally against the health care bill on Capitol Hill in Washington Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009.


Read entire article: pakalert.wordpress.com...


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 02:15 AM by defcon5
reply to post by darkangle2bad


Seem like you are just spamming this PakAlert Website all over the board tonight.
This article is old its from Nov 10th.


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 02:39 AM by KeeperOfGenisis
reply to post by mopusvindictus


If you have Private Health Insurance then surely you'll be more then happy it's just the people who recieve free health care that'll get the shabby treatment



reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 03:02 AM by illusionincarnate
Ugh. It's not free if we all have to pay for it. DUH.

We've been on the road to a socialistic medical establishment for a long time now with Medicare and all that. I myself recently had to go to the hospital for a number of days due to a nasty infection; I didn't pay a single penny for the service because I had lost my job and had no income. Of course, this was at a so called "faith based" hospital.

Now, do I have any issues, fundamentally, with this principle being expanded to the point where the entire system exists on a sliding scale? Not at all, in fact it seems like a pretty #ing pertinent idea along with free education, you would think?

The problem of course is that any good concept in the hands of governments will be eviscerated beyond all recognition by vested interests going for their slice of the pie, sewn back together into needlessly intricate bureaucracies by corrupt politicians - and only then given to the population to pay for via taxes, the vast majority of this income disappearing forever into the elusive land of NOBODY FREAKIN' KNOWS.

Also, if they are monopolizing the human reconstruction industry, they should subsidize the health endeavors of alternative reconstruction methods - I doubt very strongly this is going to occur and likely, in fact, we will see a powerful movement against such entities. Personal prediction!

Last considerations: Isn't it amazing that the government waits until we run out of money to universalize health care? Couldn't have possibly used a chunk of the kill the sand people fund, or the Christmas present we gave to our financially troubled banks last year to cover that, eh? They are running this country directly into the ground - can you see the cockpit? The way the throttle is being rammed full forward, no indication of any intent to change course? Well, when metal and flesh unifies with topsoil, at least you can be one of the jackasses to gasp with your dying breath, "I saw this coming" or better yet GET THAT ASSHOLE OUT OF THE COCKPIT NOW AND DO A BIT OF IMPROV! Food for thought.

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reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 03:12 AM by eurotrash
reply to post by darkangle2bad


It will never pass. Trust. If that bill goes through, we're talking civil war. I don't see it happening.


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 04:12 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by KeeperOfGenisis
People like the original posts are like the pelicans in Finding Nemo, shouting "me, me, me, me, me........"

All most Americans think about is themself and to hell with the 40 million other Americans with no health insurance.

Many (not all) of my fellow Americans have swallowed the Corporate Kool Aid that universal health insurance is a bad word.

Sweden has a senior percent of 20% and has the best health care system in the world and they live years longer than us.

www.youtube.com...

Maybe if America stopped funding the "war machine" and started tending to her own affairs and taking care of her own citizens we might just be able to have a better life.

America and "her war policies" Must Stop!

If we took all that blood money and used it for health care, taking care of our own people we just might find ourselves happier and healthier.

Americans must spend sometimes 50-100 dollars or more for a f*&%ing bottle of medicine because our politicians are bedfellows with the large pharma companies.



www.biggovhealth.org...

Myth: Achieving universal health care coverage in the United States is possible only by implementing a government-run, single-payer system

Fact: Nations with national health care systems, including Switzerland and the Netherlands, have achieved universal health care coverage using private health care plans.



We are all inner connected. What affects one of us affects all of us. The me first screw you has got to stop.

We all either hang together or die alone.

Americans need to go after the correct "enemy" and that enemy is the large corporations who have taken over Washington DC.

Read my location...................I did not chose this lightly.

America's politicians have been allowed to run rampant using our tax dollars to fund all the companies that benefit from these wars.

People need to research who is benefiting from our war in Iraq and now Afghanistan.


www.againstbombing.org...

Now it's called the Military-Industrial-Congress Complex, as weapons manufacturers have assembled sub-contractors in every state, e.g. the F-22 has a thousand of them in 42 states. On any war or bombing issue most establishment Republicans and Democrats are in favor (witness the Republican Senate Committee Chairmen who supported bombing Serbia) while it was Freshman/Sophomore Republicans in Congress and old Liberals and minority Democrats who were opposed.

Washington's establishment -- journalists, think tanks, military, Congressmen, security bureaucracies nearly all thrive on war and conflict overseas--think of hundreds of thousands of dollars expenses and weeks in the best Italian hotels for a CIA group to kidnap one Arab. Pro-war Think Tank intellectuals, subsidized by the Complex, are a new, major force for promoting wars. Their trained, practiced, credentialed spokesmen and lifetimes as Washington insiders give authority and academic gravitas to War Party objectives. When Bush first came in, before 9/11, they made aggressive tones towards Russia, then conflict with China was strongly promoted, now it's the Muslims, but any war will do.
Earmarks, 15,000 of them in the '06 defense budget, have become a major new source of funding for the War Party. New billions of dollars are sent, without hearings, unquestioned because they are for "defense," to most Congressional districts, in return for which come support and donations to campaigns to insure incumbent re-election. And now also the new system of private contractors has created a whole new constituency for more wars. In Poland the new plan for anti-missiles is not some grand strategy, it's purpose is just another way to send billions more money to the defense companies. If it then aggravates Russia to react it can then trigger more military spending.

And why, when new weapons are so incredibly accurate, do we still need so many planes and ships, bombs and missiles? It's the profits in making them.


Americans need to put down that remote and Twilight novel and educate themselves as to who their politicans are going to bed with.

www.americancontractorsiniraq.com...

America needs to start demanding her politicians take care of her people and stop funding the large corporations they are in kahoots with.

We have spent so much on the War in Iraq (GWB lied about WMD - America is the only country so far to have used WMDS / August 1945) and 911 was a false flag operation to manipulate the American People into war and they bought it hook line and sinker............

Americans need to research who has profitted from these wars and now the "clean up".

The rabbit hole goes real deep on this one.

I am approaching 60 and I cannot hardly remember a time when America has not been fighting some kind of war.......people war is bad, we should not be fighting each other.

God will humanity ever grow up?

America is a bullish country. Not a beacon of hope, a bully.

[edit on 2-12-2009 by ofhumandescent]


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 04:37 AM by zeddissad
Being from formerly communist country - Czech Rep. - I have first hand experience with "socialistic" health care. And guess what? It was good. I'm quite anti-totalitarian minded and I don't want to go back to gray times of 80's here. After 20 years of bit "grunder" capitalism I can compare various parts of social interaction.
Of course it depend country by country but in CZ medical staff was on good theoretical level. There was corruption but on level of bottle of whiskey (that is how I avoided draft). There were troubles with information flow and new top technologies - they came later but were accessible for everyone. Yes, this magic word EVERYONE. That is it. You are not forced to let your teeth rot because you have not enough money just know. You call your dentist and book a meeting. You are not thinking about money, you don't wary if your insurance will cover such and such treatment.
Now here is something like mixed model and it isn't bad also. Something is better something not. But there is battle for big change - to current USA model, to open door for insurance and bigpharma industry corruption.

I'm afraid that US health care reform is scam. It will force everybody to pay, but quality of service will not be guarantied. I'm not expert - it is just my feeling.

EDIT to add:
It is good if people around you are healthy. All society is gaining - properly based public health care is similar benefit for society as well directed public education ranging from elementary school to university.

[edit on 2-12-2009 by zeddissad]


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 04:54 AM by mopusvindictus
Originally posted by KeeperOfGenisis
reply to post by mopusvindictus


If you have Private Health Insurance then surely you'll be more then happy it's just the people who recieve free health care that'll get the shabby treatment


See that's where the rumors and the rest and giant Bills i'll never have the time to read make me paranoid...

I am under the impression that I still have to pay the 1,600.00 anyway weather I use it or not...

And also that i can expect Insurance prices for real insurance to rise drastically as many people will opt for Govt based health care, so i'll be basically paying out my rear end...

Any shedding light of fact based information might make me rest a bit easier.


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 04:55 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by zeddissad


I'm afraid that US health care reform is scam. It will force everybody to pay, but quality of service will not be guarantied. I'm not expert - it is just my feeling.


You are probably right because Americans through their apathy and short sightedness have allowed the "pigs at the trough"

The businessmen mentioned in "Pigs at the Trough" did not accumulate wealth through an honest work ethic, but out of exploitation, fancy accounting, and the circumvention of laws. They go unpunished for it, and Americans let them.

"Pigs At The Trough" by Arianna Huffington


www.huffingtonpost.com...

Of course, when I originally wrote Pigs, I didn't know that in just six years America would find itself in the midst of a slew of fresh corporate outrages that would lead to a worldwide economic meltdown. But I can't say that I was surprised. The reason is simple: the system that allowed the scandals at Enron, Tyco, Global Crossing, et al. was never really reformed.

Yes, there were window-dressing changes, and Band-Aid legislation. But the guiding philosophy -- that the free market would regulate itself, and that Wall Street always knew best -- remained in place. Indeed, it was given a much freer rein.

So it's been déjà vu all over again. With one big difference that makes this current crisis so painful: the scale of it all. In 2003, the corporate crooks were largely playing with shareholders' money. The new batch of Pigs is playing with taxpayer money -- trillions of it. And if we don't reform the system, given the exponential worsening of things between 2003 and now, the next financial collapse will surely be more than we can withstand.



The vast majority of Americans are not going to have a better life until they help get rid of our pigs at the trough in DC. The politicians that have shares, stock and accept bribes from all the large corporations.

America at this moment is run by the corporations and for the corporations.

By the people and for the people long ago died.

Are we up to the task of resurrecting our Constitution?

Only time will tell.



[edit on 2-12-2009 by ofhumandescent]


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 05:00 AM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by ofhumandescent


I don't think that is actually fair... I am yelling me, me, me... but I don't want anyone to not have health care, I just want to know that I won't get screwed into lesser health care in the process and that's a valid concern... I also have real fears of mandated treatments and the inability to say no to procedures if they deem me ill to a certain degree like Cancer I want to know I can opt out of chemo if I choose to for reasons of my own... but certainly, I do not oppose any one who has no health care, to not receive it.


As far as the war machine...Yeah, well the rest of the rant your dead on


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 05:04 AM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by zeddissad


Can anyone actually tell me what dental is actually covered by this monstrosity of a program?

That's another question I admit full ignorance on, what will it cover in regards to teeth!!!!!

That I can actually use good dental is a fortune.... and if your teeth are nasty your basically ruined socially and career wise... Just sayin...

I can't find a darn thing that will cover cosmetics if I ever need a tooth replaced or caps and i'm not getting any younger...

Whats the story with dental, will it just cover lame cleanings and cavity fills with Amalgam? Or can i actually get work done on my teeth under this thing?


Does anyone even know?

And what about Chiropractic???????

I might seriously change my stance on this if chiropractic and dental coverage is allowed... to a real degree



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