posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 02:19 PM
From my own observations, I would say that "everything is logical", and all of existence operates thus in a logical way, it is systematical, and it
does seem to operate in cycles both on the physical plane and other higher planes of existence.
It also does seem true that God, or total Oneness, the Soure, must consist of Everything, all different aspects, polarities, and so on.
To me that is a rather logical assumption which also seem to be the case from my own observations.
Since God must be an eternal source of energy that can only transform and change itself, which from our point of view could be called "bringing to
life new creations", it seems logical that God thus would be an expanding force that thus also must keep growing due to the creations themselves
being able to expand and create. And this is what seems to be going on from observation as well.
Now one of the questions which have to be asked, but of course will be difficult to answer, is how do God observe himself, or his creations? Do he
observe everything within existence at the same time, or is his creations that moves downwards from his own point of being "individuals" to him as
well, with their own independent minds and so on? If the latter is true, to gain anything from these creations, it would be logical that at some point
he would have to re-absorb what he have spread, so that he can obtain the knowledge and experiences from those "lower" creations of his own. This
seem to be the case to me from my observations.
You seem to suggest that God "himself" becomes his creations and "forgets" himself. Then, where is he located while being his own creations? What
is outside of his creations if not him himself? Is he unconscious, while only his "inner mind" or "creations" are "conscious" , yet split up in
many fractions of consciousness which creates individuals? Was he then at some point conscious, but decided to create and for some reason got lost and
stuck within his very own creation?
Personally I do not think so, it seems to me that God is conscious and thus maintains the balance of existence and contineous creation, and that he
rather observes his creation from his own point of view, as well as absorbs back parts of his creation in cyclic turns to gain those experiences as
well that he did not directly take part of himself as he was/is on a different plane of existence than of those of his creations.
This also explains why we are so "low" - because God started spawning creations that were seeded with various aspects of himself, and these
creations became individuals because they were split from the Source itself, or God. Since these too had creative powers and the ability to manifest
and create, new creations spawned from them as well, which again contained various aspects of these Creators, and thus creating many
worlds/universes/dimensions which operate and exist in different ways.
It seems logical all these Individual Creators wanted to expand further themselves, gain experiences, explore their creative powers. This continued,
and probably still continues, down on many levels into many different realities and universes.
WE are located on one of the branches of this Tree of Creation, governed by the rules and laws of the Creator whom spawned our existence and where we
find ourselves. And, unfortunately enough for us, we find ourselves in a rather chaotic and dense world, with physical bodies, where our spiritual
essence is trapped within the physical, as I have explained earlier.
But all is a reflection of that which is above, including ourselves, we are doing the very same ourselves as God, and the other Creators, we make new
forms of life, we make our own worlds, we make our own rules and laws, and so on. And this is just logical as we are all "ignited" by the same
original force and part of the same original source though there are many levels of existence separating us.
And, since we are reflections of our own Creator(s), we need look no further than ourselves to get the answer to your questions regarding why there
would be "fights" agaisnt the fellow brothers and sisters - look at all the wars and conflicts we have between ourselves here - why would they
create a trap system and not unite - look at how the different governmental systems of the world is creating such traps here for their own
Being Oneness, how could we explore "higher" ? Are you saying there is something "higher" than God, the Source, itself? It seems the only logical
option was to expand and move "downwards".
This too is reflected in ourselves, we create machines, artificial life, robots and so on, which we can say is a level further down on the existential
plane than "ourselves". Such creations could potentially also be creators, and they could also question their own origins. There would be a limiting
factor though, as these creations would be purely physical, and the highest level of existence they could experience would be their own, along with
the knowledge of their Creator. They could observe their Creator creating more of themselves, but they could not observe any claims the same Creator
would make about "higher" levels of existence, of the spiritual realms, of soul, and so on - as this would be no part of their own creation.
We on the other hand, can also create Spiritual creations, thus in the same manner as the "Gods", we can with our minds create seemingly infinite
variations of lifeforms and universes. These we can make manifest and as real as this physical world itself, and become the Gods of our own
As the creators "above" us, we too can fill our creations with different aspects of ourselves. If we please, we can create some "goodness" in
those worlds, some "evil", some "intelligence" and some "ignorance", some "hate" , some "love" and so on. Or, we can, create worlds based
entirely on only one such aspect, and so on.
Personally I do not find Oneness to be a "goal", meaning something I am seeking. With Oneness I am now talking about the reunion or absorption with
God, the Source. This seem to me to be a process which will ultimately happen in either case. Personally, I prefer to stay somewhere in between
"Oneness" and "Individuality", meaning a plane of existence where one still have ones individuality, yet still can connect with All and Explore
all as well as create ones Own creations.
Thus you could call this form of existence "Oneness" as well but in a different aspect. My personal goal is to return to the realms of Freedom,
outside the Trap System surrounding this plane of existence, yet at a lower level of existence than "God Level", or at the Source. Since I have
experienced that existence, and also this existence, I can from my own observations say that this physical realm is the most limiting way to
experience oneself, due to it being a Trap System with all the attributes and effects causing us the different problems and trouble I have mentioned
in earlier posts.
And since I know of this possibility, and this form of existence beyond the physical world, which one can access through spiritual practice, I will
have to say that I do not agree to your statement that "spirituality is not such a good idea after all" since without it one will be limited to this
physical experience and all the limitations of Oneself that brings. But of course, if you do not mind living as a lower aspect of yourself, and only
experience a fraction of what you can, only knowing that which is surrounding you on a physical plane, no one will force you to leave, at least not
(continues in next post)
[edit on 7-1-2010 by IX-777]