An Open Rant to Cop Haters, page 1
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Topic started on 1-12-2009 @ 08:22 PM by OzWeatherman
I dont understand the amount of hate that is being dished out to the police here. While their is undeniably corruption in many of the police forces in the world, its complete rubbish to speculate that all cops are being labelled the same. I find it even more disturbing that people actually enjoy seeingm or hearing about cops being shot or injured for whatever sick and twisted reason they have in their heads.

The police are here to do a job. That job is to uphold the law and keep order. For some bizzare reason, everytime a single officer abuses his power, a certain number of member s come out posted derogatory and often stupid remarks of why all police are the same. The ATS motto is to deny ignorance not promote idiocracy.

There are a number of notable threads current on ATS at the moment, notably, one about the cops use of excessive force in apprehending an escaped murderer, and the one about the shooting death of the alleged cop killer.

So with these in mind, why are people sticking up for the criminals? Do people actually condone shooting others or cops for that matter, as something that should be allowed? Would you rather that the police just turn a blind eye and ignore such atrocities? Why the hell are the cops always bad guys when they end up killing, wounding or capturing these people?

A lot of the comments involve ridiculous statements such as:

Why didnt they shoot the guy in the leg?
Why did they have to hurt the perpetrator?
Why did they taser the perpetrator?

Are all you haters some kind of tree hugging, whale saving peace loving hippies? I bet none of you have ever been in a situation.

Although trained, cops are put into situations where no training can prepare you. Its not easy to make a split second decision of where to aim to take down someone running at you. Its not always easy to take down somebody without hurting them, and even when they use non-lethal force on people that are resisting arrest, and even after they warned them that they will be tased, pepper sprayed etc, you still all throw up your arms in the air and call police brutality.

I mean WTF to police officers have to do to gain some respect? Would you like them to say something along the lines of "Please give yourself up...if you do not we are forced to stand back and watch you commit further crimes"?

Here's a thought for all of you cop haters. If one of your friends, loved ones, spouses, children or yourself, is either, assaulted, sexually assaulted, murdered, robbed, raped, stalked, harassed, dont bother calling the cops. It would be a waste of tax payers money and time that could be better spent helping out someone else, when you hate the only people that are there to protect you.

So take a good look at how ridiculous you look, and grow up. The majority of cops are not bad, stop looking for excuses to start yet another cop bashing thread and just pray that you are never put in a dangerous situation that these men and women have to go through, throughout their careers

Shame on all of you




reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 08:49 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The police are out of control and suffer from an us versus them mentality.

They are desensitized to the real needs, plight and concerns of the people through endless training videos and seminars that tend to overstate or over simplify perspectives that serve no one well.

Tasked with enforcing thousands of often obscure codes that the citizens have no earthly idea even exist because hardly a day has gone by for decades when some new code isn’t voted into law by a government that seeks to regulate, tax or otherwise profit off of everything, that far too often leaves police no choice but to selectively enforce the laws because there are so many.

It is basically impossible to be in compliance with every last code and ordinance and I guarantee you that if a squad of police descended on your home, business, and vehicle right now they could fine some legitimate violation.

In reality we are all criminals in their eyes as it is impossible to know all the laws that constitute a crime to begin with but ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.

So it often boils down to which law they want to enforce on what given day against whom and why in what is little more than a game of shooting fish in a barrel.

Often otherwise law abiding peaceful citizens find themselves being cited with some ridiculous ordinance they have never herd of and then have to spend hard earned money to either pay an attorney or pay a fine and court costs or both.

This sours a lot of law abiding citizens towards the police because they know in their hearts that they are not murderers, thieves, rapists, or violent people. They know in their hearts they are decent good human beings who try their best to get along and be productive in society. They often don’t agree with the obscure ordinance they have been cited with, or why they had to be cited when the violation hurt no one in their person or property and why it couldn’t just be a learning experience.

To the police that are little more than bonded henchmen for the corporate government it’s an opportunity to create profit for the government and assert their power.

Yes some cops are decent people, go out of their way to give a person a break, and really are out there focused on the bad guys.

Yet most of the police force suffers from a siege mentality as well as arrogance and a certain penchant for sadism.

Gone for the most part is the cop that walks his beat who knows the citizens on it, by name, and where they live, and who is in their family, and other human particulars. Gone are the days of real quality interaction with the community where police function as role models and civic leaders. Trapped in their vehicles glued to a laptop screen, listening to their radios, cruising up and down the street looking for that selective opportunity that compels them to enforce the law in those selective ways that anger many, many law abiding citizens, and often angers them for good reason.

The government is continually gearing the police towards viewing all citizens as potential terrorists and viewing all citizens as potential suspects and in reality with over 600,000 laws, ordinances and codes on the books here in the United States we all are guilty of some violation of the law and it’s just a matter of time more often than not until big brother chooses to notice.

It’s a very screwed up system like everything else in government that has gotten too big, too intrusive and too powerful for it’s own good to the point it starts existing for itself and not to do the job we the people elect it or pay it to do.

As far as never being in situations, I have been in dozens of situations, and often interceded myself to end it in a fashion that when the police show up later they look at me and just ask “Are you nuts, you could have gotten killed you know that?”, I always reply honestly “Why yes I am, but I didn’t, and no one else did, and they might have had I not acted to stop this crime.”

The reality is they want us to be more dependent on them than we need to be, they want us to be helpless so that’s just how we will feel when our lucky 1 out of 600,000 number comes up.

If the cops have an image problem and they do, it’s on them.

You don’t go to watch musical groups you don’t like, or actors you don’t like, or vote for politicians you don’t like do you?

If you represent a group that by and large fails to impress and more often than not insults or upsets people, well, I wouldn’t expect many people to like anyone who chooses to be in that group.

Government is out of control, law enforcement is out of control, the laws themselves are out of control.


[edit on 1/12/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 08:51 PM by truthquest
reply to post by OzWeatherman



The amount of hate on cops at ATS is just so simple. Have you ever seen a jelly bean jar and been asked to guess the number of jelly beans inside? Now imagine instead of jelly beans those are instances of police abuse of power and the jelly bean jar is the size of a house.

The simple answer is that cops are so well hated is that their main and most visible duty is to PROFIT FROM CRIME! You do soemething wrong. Ca-ching for their cash register! So what else do you expect besides a giant mountain of trivial nonsense to be labeled "crime" and then they stiff you with their fine?

I'll said this before and I'll say it again. Any cop, judge, or government official even remotely involved in profiting from crime needs at LEAST a year in prison so that they understand what they are doing is filthy, repugnant, and against any notion of civility.

As strange as this seems I actually like seeing the hate on cops. Yeah if it were common then I'd find it just as annoying as all the other haters out there. However, seeing how cops are the #6 "most respected" position its nice to see signs the momentum is shifting in hopefully a way that they find themselves ranked well below prostitutes (while they profit from crime it is solely only on a consentual voluntary basis of course it is a more respectable profession).


reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 08:57 PM by truthquest
reply to post by OzWeatherman



You know what, when a cop views "one of his own" to really mean a *member of his community* rather than fellow gang members wearing the blue gang colors, then cops will no longer deserve the hate they get.

And yes as has been said already on this thread, that would mean being just as hard on themselves in terms of enforcing crime as they are on the general population.

Police these days are *parts of a machine*, not parts of a community! And for that I really think I may hate them.


reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 09:30 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yes some cops are decent people, go out of their way to give a person a break, and really are out there focused on the bad guys.

Yet most of the police force suffers from a siege mentality as well as arrogance and a certain penchant for sadism.


Thats an interetsing couple of statements there. Are you aware of any statistics or figures that back that up, or are you bsing it on personal experience? Just curious, not intending to slander you

And yes I do watch movies with actors I hate (tom crusie), and I do vote for politicians I ahte, mainly because I hate all of them and voting is compulsory in Australia


Personal experience as I have always had friends that are cops (I always try to befriend one because they rarely have friends off the force because of their seige mentallity) and I have dated a number of cops from Deputy Directors of the FBI down to patrol women.

I do business with some cops. In fact I do business with a lot of cops.

Contrary to popular belief career criminals and career cops actually get along fine for the most part. Two different sides of the same coin, and to tell you the truth, I am not always sure who is more crooked, but more often than not one hand washes the other there.

Petty criminals and violent criminals don't get along so well with cops.

The point is that its a bad assumption to imagine that everyone who dislikes cops is a criminal.

I thought Nicole Kiddman was a doll babie too, I don't blame you from being mad at Tom Cruise.

Compulsary voting? That's insane and proves my point about an ordinance happy government.


reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 09:43 PM by Bushido Kanji
Here is an active topic about this very thing:

Cop Haters, This Thread is for You

My posts are on the second and sixth page. I am only telling you this because I don't want to continue to repeat myself over and over again.

Thanks for the post, Oz


reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 09:48 PM by whaaa
reply to post by OzWeatherman



Perhaps if Law enforcement didn't look upon ordinary citizens as people about to commit a crime; adopt a "we/they" attitude; and give out $100 fines for not wearing a seat belt; they would be respected rather than feared.

Fear breeds contempt.

Law enforcement needs citizen review; not internal investigations when LEOs break protocol.



[edit on 1-12-2009 by whaaa]
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