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In June, the Worshipful Master, or leader, of the Gate City Lodge was served with complaints from two other lodges, whose Worshipful Masters were upset that Gate City had admitted a “nonwhite man” to its ranks.
So let's say that you are speaking the truth, which is impossible if we are discussing Freemasonry and you are a Mason (this has already been firmly established)
So as individuals read through this, they should keep in mind the fact that we have a framework inside of our government that allows for the subversive takeover without anyone ever noticing.
Originally posted by Josephus23
Let's look at one of your quotes:
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
eta: That said, I won't be rising again to this troll's bait
I would suggest adding to that "unless it helps me distract attention away from the truth regarding this thread".
Originally posted by Josephus23
Let's look at one of his quotes:
Goodbye Fitzgibbon. Just keep those secrets and run the ship aground. There are far more just like you like you, then are not.
So let's say that you are speaking the truth, which is impossible if we are discussing Freemasonry and you are a Mason (this has already been firmly established).
Originally posted by Josephus23
You are only making it oh so obvious as to why he wanted out.
Originally posted by Josephus23
Just to compare. Let's look at how another Mason reacted regarding this guys comment.
That indeed is appalling. I am sorry this wasn't treated as it should have been by Grand Lodge. Of course as a Mason you will always be a brother. It's a shame that ritual was mocked in this way.
Sure does seem to me that this Mason found his story credible.
Originally posted by Josephus23
But you know what Mr. Fitzgibbon? I honestly do not care about this and it doesn't really relate to my OP.
So here you go. You can win this battle.
Do you feel better now?
Originally posted by Josephus23
Your behavior exemplifies and betrays the truth behind your words.
And what are you trying to do?
DISTRACT!!!!!
DISTORT!!!!!
DECEIVE!!!!
Originally posted by Josephus23
It seems like I have accused you of this before, and yet you seem to be oh so adamant to prove me right.
Thank you Mr. Fitzgibbon. I could not have asked for better behavioral reinforcement of my accusation!!
Seriously. Thank you.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
reply to post by Josephus23
So as individuals read through this, they should keep in mind the fact that we have a framework inside of our government that allows for the subversive takeover without anyone ever noticing.
IMO, the takeover has for a long time been completed. I don't think the US has had a single decent President for the entire 20th Century. (although, there has been individual acts of heroism here and there)
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
[edit on 20/12/09 by ConspiracyNut23]
Originally posted by Project2501
Originally posted by mcr4life
reply to post by zaiger
well as you know freemason is a secret society and many people are in it like jay-z beyonce and more people but people do it for the benefits while they just messed up id rather work then be a freemason
Sorry Jay-Z & Beyonce aren't of the Southern & Accepted Scottish Rite Jurisdiction. African Americans are excluded in regular "blue" lodges. Jay-Z would be allowed in the "Prince Hall Freemasonry" which is the African American, Freemasonry. It is considered regular by the United Grand Lodge of England! And wasn't considered regular by some of the former Confederate states until around 3 months before the win of the Presidential candidate of Barack Hussein Obama II There is also a African American Shriners as well. The Prince Hall Shriners. And the African American women have as example the Daughters of Isis this is where Beyonce would come in.
[Changed (before the win of Presidential win of Barack Hussein Obama II.) to before the win of the Presidential candidate of Barack Hussein Obama II.]
[edit on 19-12-2009 by Project2501]
Originally posted by Josephus23
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Josephus23
Are you actually trying to tell me that the mission of a lodge and its members are not bifurcated?
This is a video of a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Master Mason (Grand Poobah).
Pay attention to 2 things for me.
1) The very first thing that he states is that the mission of the lodge is...
BIFURCATED.
Firstly, he is talking about the Scottish Rite, an appendant body of Masonry, and not about Lodges. You do know the difference do you?
Secondly, in the video you linked he is very clear as to his meanings of duality such as;
Patriotism to ones government and duty to God.
Study of the Esoteric and Scientific.
I am not quite sure how this proves anything sinister, just that you seem to get very excitable about that which you have little understanding.
It sounds to me like you are trying to argue a point based on semantics Masonicus.
You have painted yourself in a corner. Not me.
I do not care what is the lodge and what is appendant.
Like I have said before, my goal is to expose secret societies and their resulting framework.
Anyone with critical thinking skills can clearly see that you are rife with contradictions.
AS IS FREEMASONRY. That is why it should be banned in the halls of government.
I think fundamentally you first need to be able to prove that Freemasons have ANY secrets. Then work from there.
Originally posted by Josephus23
As far as exposing anything relating DIRECTLY to Freemasonry, it is philosophically impossible, because each level of Freemasonry offers some type of initiatory insight previously impossible to grasp. The secrecy of this group keeps everyone guessing anytime any Mason says anything regarding Freemasonry.
The allure and power of Freemasonry rests with its "secrecy".
(as I have posted previously, if you folks really wanted to be secret, why even tell anyone that you exist?)
You'll note that my replies have done no such thing, and I'd thank you not to paint us all with the same brush.
What has been exposed is the behavior and intent of the many Masons who have posted replies.
These replies rely heavily on name calling (ad hominem attacks), and distractions or distortions (non-sequiturs).
Blacks are not excluded from normal lodges.
I think fundamentally you first need to be able to prove that Freemasons have ANY secrets. Then work from there.
You'll note that my replies have done no such thing, and I'd thank you not to paint us all with the same brush.
Google Video Link |
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Also, could one of the knowledgeable Masons comment on my post here regarding Hitler's possible recognition of a certain Masonic group. It'd be much appreciated.
This appears to be a well researched document on the subject, complete with citations. IMHO, the "folks over at freemasonrywatch" aren't creative enough to make anything up, but they're more than happy to repeat unsubstantiated lies that they've heard elsewhere ad nauseam.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
We can't even say that the "Christian Order of Frederick the Great" was an irregular lodge, it wasn't a masonic lodge at all?
So the claim that the "American and British Freemasonry" recognized it as being 'regular' Freemasonry, is completely made-up by the folks over at freemasonrywatch?
The two lodges who made the complaint were denied a hearing before the Grand Master. The sitting Grand Master later issued an edict saying that nothing disparaging could be said in lodge based on a member's race, but later when the Grand Lodge met, that edict was essentially rescinded and attempts to get such verbiage written into their constitution & bylaws failed to get enough votes. (read the comment thread to the end to get the gist of the timeline; I'm not representing it well here...)
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
If there's an update to this situation, I'd love to hear it.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
We can't even say that the "Christian Order of Frederick the Great" was an irregular lodge, it wasn't a masonic lodge at all?
So the claim that the "American and British Freemasonry" recognized it as being 'regular' Freemasonry, is completely made-up by the folks over at freemasonrywatch?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
We can't even say that the "Christian Order of Frederick the Great" was an irregular lodge, it wasn't a masonic lodge at all?
So the claim that the "American and British Freemasonry" recognized it as being 'regular' Freemasonry, is completely made-up by the folks over at freemasonrywatch?
That is correct. The article that Josh linked to is pretty good in this regard, including quotes from a letter written by the head of the Order of Frederick the Great exclaiming "We are not Freemasons!"
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
reply to post by Josephus23
With all due respect, I'm simply seeking clarification about points brought out in this thread.
I apologize if you feel that I'm purposely derailing your thread.