posted on Sep, 25 2004 @ 03:00 AM
Originally posted by LTD602
I have a nice pair of alligator-skin boots, if anyone's interested.
By the way, it's gratifying to know that the barbecued spring lamb you're EATING is also one that, since it is dead, because you're EATING it, will
also provide an important article of ritual for Masons. You know, since you're alerady EATING it.
Just a little bit of rocket science for those who don't quite get it.
Err... Where did that come from LTD? I wasn't trying to start an animal rights debate here, only to ask if the option was available. But since you
As for the barbecued spring lamb? Nope, won't be me eating it. Yes, believe it or not, there are people who do object to such a thing. And the
argument that its fine since the skin was taken from an animal that was going to be eaten doesn't fly either. You take away the sale of pelts from
the sheep raisers, you take away much of their profits as well. Perhaps one day you will run into a Hindu mason who wishes for an alternative.
However, minds greater than mine have come to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with this practice, Kant and especially Descartes come to
mind. That being said, Aristotle defended slavery. The issue is, and always has been, a subject of much debate among intelligent men. I believe
that the issue becomes more difficult to justify if you take away the religious view that humans are the "special darlings" of the universe. I
suppose Bentham expressed it best when he wrote "The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But rather, can they suffer?" I feel
that for you to dismiss my question as laughable, and even presumptously hypocritical, was rather arrogant and contemptous. Look at what these
"idiots" have to say:
There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher mammals in their mental faculties.... The difference in mind between man and the
higher animals, great as it is, certainly is one of degree and not of kind. The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man. We
have seen that the senses and intuitions, the various emotions and faculties, such as love, memory, attention and curiosity, imitation, reason, etc.,
of which man boasts, may be found in an incipient, or even sometimes a well-developed condition, in the lower animals. ~Charles Darwin
People must have renounced, it seems to me, all natural intelligence to dare to advance that animals are but animated machines.... It appears to
me, besides, that [such people] can never have observed with attention the character of animals, not to have distinguished among them the different
voices of need, of suffering, of joy, of pain, of love, of anger, and of all their affections. It would be very strange that they should express so
well what they could not feel. ~Voltaire, Trate sur la tolerance
My thanks to ML for actually considering the question.
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